ISH's FIVE QUESTIONS: Brooklyn Nets Edition

[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?[/B]

Little bit of both, but ultimately I think it's a good trade considering the short term goals of the franchise. Ownership wants a championship, and this move shows that's what they are gunning for.

KG and Pierce are still plenty effective, as is Jason Terry as a shooter off the bench.

[B]2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?
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Deron Williams. From how cohesive this team is, to clicking with head coach Jason Kidd, it all comes down to the point guard and best player.

[B]3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.[/B]

False. Forgetting Deron Williams' history with head coaches, I just don't like the mix of a rookie HC with a veteran team. Add to that all the pressure on Kidd to win a championship in his first year.

Whether or not he will be a decent head coach or not remains to be seen. But considering the situation I think it's a bad hire.

[B]4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?[/B]

Chemistry, with health a close second.

[B]5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.[/B]

False. Eastern semis, with a loss likely against the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, or Indiana Pacers.

[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?[/B]

Brilliant.
I know that KG, Pierce and Terry are not in their prime anymore, but look what the Nets gave up:
Gerald Wallace who just had a horrible season, and is owed 30 mill guaranteed money in the next 3 years,
Humphries' expiring contract,
Marshon Brooks, who has some talent, but is not a sure bet to stay in the league for long, as his defense is very suspect,
3 first round picks, probably none of them will be in the lottery.
(I'm not counting the 4th pick, where Boston has the right to switch, bacause they will have the better pick anyway.)

[B]2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?[/B]

Williams - I'm not worried about him. he will become more of a passer and less of a scorer. He will distribute, and average 10+ assists. He will be back in the discussions with CP3 for best PG in the league.
Lopez - If he can stay healthy he will stay one of the best offensive centers in the league, KG's midrange jumper will provide him much more space to operate than he had next to Evans and Humphries. He will also improve defensively next to Garnett.
Pierce - he is 36. He does not have to bring anything special, he can be the 4th option, he has to play good team defense, and take what the defense gives him. He will have a lot of space to operate. His shooting will be a tremendous improvement over Wallace.
Garnett - he is 37. 5th option on offense. He needs to bring his leadership, his defense, his passing and his midrange shooting. No matter how much he declines he will be a huge upgrade over Evans and Humphries.
AK47 - he will get enough playing time backing up both KG and Pierce, he has been super consistent his whole career, he has to bring his defense, passing and bball iq.
Terry - he can be somewhat of an X factor, since either he will play well, provide extra scoring of the bench, or if he just can not bring it anymore being 36, and very undersized for his position. His role will not be big enough, so the Nets can be just as good if Terry doesn't show up, as Alan Anderson will take over the backup SG spot if necessary, and he was also a 10+ ppg scorer last season on the raptors.

Te X factor is going to be Joe Johnson.
I think all the other guys will be able to fit in, and assume a role where they can give their all, contribute with all their skills, without becoming selfish and also not disappearing.
I'm not affraid of Joe becoming selfish, but I'm affraid that with so many other offensive options around him he might develop a tendency to disappear. If he can find his role in this system, the Nets will be very good.

[B]3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.[/B]

I can not predict. For this current roster full of veterans, a veteran coach might have been a better choice, but Kidd had influence on KG waiving his no trade clause, and all the players love that he is the coach, so it might turn out just fine.

[B]4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?[/B]

I'm not really worried about chemistry and defense. Healthy can be an issue, but they are a very deep team, so I'm not worried about Garnett, Pierce, Kirilenko missing even 15-20 regular season games each with smaller injuries or even for rest, as long as they are healthy in the playoffs.

[B]5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.
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I think they will beat the Bulls or the Pacers in a 7 game series, so if the road to the conference finals does not go through the Heat, I really think the Nets will get there.

1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical? I THINK THAT AS LONG AS THE RUSSIAN BILLIONAIRE DOES NOT MIND GOING OVER THE CAP, IT WAS A GOOD TRADE FOR THEM WITHOUT DOUBT. THEY WANNA WIN NOW.

2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success? I SUPPOSE BROOK LOPEZ BECAUSE I STILL THINK WE ARE YET TO SEE HIS CEILING.

3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach. FALSE. NO EXPERIENCE EVER FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD. THE ONLY THING HE REALLY GOT GOING IS THAT HE WAS CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF THE BETTER COACH EXTENSIONS ON THE FLOOR.

4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets? I THINK HEALTH. PP AND KG ARE GETTING UP THERE IN AGE. CHEMISTRY COMES INTO PLAY TOO BECAUSE HALF THE LINEUP IS USED TO ONE WAY AND THE OTHER HALF ANOTHER WAY, UNLIKE THE USUAL ONE MAN COMES IN AND LEARNS.

5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season. I WOULD HOPE SO. SOMETHING WRONG IF THEY DON'T.

Paul Pierce may be 36 but he is still an elite talent in the NBA and will eventually be the deciding factor if the Nets take the title.

Everyone talks its Derons team, I don't buy that as its Paul Pierces if he wants it!

Don't underestimate Paul Pierce and likewise KG as these guys have what Deron, Lopez and Johnson don't and that's a take over the game, killer instinct!

Ohh a reminder, Paul Pierce is not just a shooter!

[QUOTE=bagelred]

[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?

2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?

3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.

4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?

5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.
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1. Yes it's a good trade. The East got stronger this year. Nets need all the talent they can get if they want to win now.

3. No. He needs to at least be assistant for some time first.

4. Health

5. Yes.

[QUOTE=bagelred]It's August 1st!!! No draft, signings done, no Summer League. Two months of nothingness......so it's time to do some ANALYSIS!!! One team at a time!!!

A brand new series which is not similar to any other sports websites idea....called....... ISH's FIVE QUESTIONS.

So let's go through the league alphabetically, shall we? :applause:

Previous teams:

Atlanta Hawks: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309213[/url]
Boston Celtics: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309651[/url]


Today's team?

[COLOR="Silver"]THE BROOKLYN NETS

PG - Williams/Livingston/Taylor
SG - Johnson/Terry/Anderson
SF - Pierce/Kirilenko/Shengelia
PF - Lopez/Blatche/Plumlee
C - Garnett/Evans/Teletovic

Head Coach - Jason Kidd
General Manager - Billy King
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[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?

2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?

3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.

4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?

5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.
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You can elaborate on your answers. :D


:banana:[/QUOTE]


1) Like almost everything in life, the trade probably falls somewhere between something I'd consider Brilliant, and something I'm skeptical of. But if I'm a baseball style arbitrator and have to pick one or the other, I'd go toward brilliant.
Pierce and Garnett aren't long for this world, so cap space wise they don't kill you. You have to swallow JET's deal, but otherwise it's basically two late first rounders for a shot to really contend for at least next year, maybe two. I'm fine with that from a Net's perspective. And I'm a Celtic fan, and frankly I'm ok with it from there end too. You hope you get a second good pick if this team melts down physically, but you're adding young cheap assets at the end of the first round regardless. They had no title run left in that roster.

2) I lean toward Deron. I saw him twice last year in person. Once in February against the Heat, and he looked like me. Just not in great shape. Mostly relying on jumpers and bully tactics. Then again in the classic Bulls Nets playoff games, where he looked like a totally different player, although it didn't end well, he just looked so much better. He's gotta be the best player on this team night to night. The game isn't played inside out enough anymore for it to be Lopez. He's gonna be surrounded by weapons on offense. KG is a classic Pick and Pop option. Deron Williams has to at least be on the fringe of the MVP conversation this year, sort of the way Tony Parker was last year, for this to totally be a success.

3) I love Jason Kidd, but I'm gonna say no. And I didn't like it before the trade, and after the trade it seems almost silly. First, I'm a little suspicous of truely great players as coaches, especially ones as intuitive as Kidd. It was really rough for Magic. Whereas guys like Larry and Russell, who were a little more technique based, seem to do better. But it's more the midlevel career grinders who seem to make great coaches out of the former players. With all the money they spent, I'da been inclined to chase a big name. But perhaps take someone with a better resume. Brian Shaw I really liked. So along with Kidd not being a great fit in my mind anyway, now you're combining this roster with a coach that's never set a lineup. I'm rooting for him, but I don't think it's a great situation. Before the trade it made some sense from a marketing standpoint. And perhaps the team could grow with him. Now it doesn't look good to me at all.

4) Health I think is the gimme here. But this team looks to have enough depth with AK behind both Pierce and Garnett, to at least cut the minutes for those guys. And honestly I think this group fits together pretty nice. JJ and PP maybe are a little more ball dominant than wings you'd typically want with a ball heavy PG like Deron. But they also will allow Deron to come off screens and play a little without having used his dribble. JJ in particular is a very good facilitator. And they spread the floor well, and have good size. Combined with AK, they may not be stoppers, but they give you a lot of good bodies to throw at Lebron come playoff time. And Garnett couldn't fit better as a player next to Lopez and Deron. Pick and Pop with Deron. Spacing for Deron off the bounce. Spacing for Brooke on the block. And he helps so much of Brooke's defensive liabilities.
You can make a case for some concern of personality clash between KG, who is a sociopath, and Lopez, who's basically a 7-2 third grader. And even Deron who wilted under the intensity of Jerry Sloan type coach, and now KG is going to bring some of that to the floor, with no time to grown into it. Pierce may be a little pouty, or he may come out with something to prove.

5) I won't say yes or no, but they're right there with the Heat, Indy, and Bulls. I have no issue saying those are without question the four best teams in the east. They're certainly a cut above everyone else. ECF is mostly dependant on how things fall.

AK47 is being paid under the table. Russian mafia style.

[QUOTE=Sharmer]AK47 is being paid under the table. Russian mafia style.[/QUOTE]

Maybe he just wanted a billionaire countryman as a friend?

1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?

Skeptical. An expensive move for a possible broken toy.

2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?

Kevin Garnett. If he is healthy, they have a chance to beat the Heat.

3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.

True. a Nets Legend, he has the hometown backing. A true court general, transition from player to coach would be easier.

4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?

health. chemistry is not an issue, with veteran players aboard, gelling will be easier. defense too is much improved with KG and Kirilenko on board.

5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.

false. they got together too late. they had a chance last year, when Rose was out and the Pacers were weaker. now Pacers are scarier with a stronger bench and Rose is back. no way in hell they beat either for a chance to meet the Heat in the ECF.

[QUOTE=bagelred]No draft, signings done, no Summer League. Two months of nothingness......so it's time to do some ANALYSIS!!! One team at a time!!!

A brand new series which is not similar to any other sports websites idea....called....... ISH's FIVE QUESTIONS.

So let's go through the league alphabetically, shall we? :applause:

Previous teams:

Atlanta Hawks: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309213[/url]
Boston Celtics: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309651[/url]


Today's team?

[COLOR="Silver"]THE BROOKLYN NETS

PG - Williams/Livingston/Taylor
SG - Johnson/Terry/Anderson
SF - Pierce/Kirilenko/Shengelia
PF - Lopez/Blatche/Plumlee
C - Garnett/Evans/Teletovic

Head Coach - Jason Kidd
General Manager - Billy King
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[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?

2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?

3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.

4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?

5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season.
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You can elaborate on your answers. :D


:banana:[/QUOTE]

1. Brilliant!!! They got tons of talent and gave nothing away, who cares about draft picks that wont amount to much. With the trades at the very least it made the nets a team that needs to be in the conversation for contender and thats all that you can hope for. Before prok. They were a bottom feeder franchise, 3 years later they are contenders, whoa.

2. X factor is williams. People forget that at times he looks like the best pg in the league. If anyone was to have a great season, i would say his would be the most impactful.

3. I admit that kidd was a risky decision but it was a low risk high reward decision. If kidd ist two wet behind the ears then lawrence frank will have a more vocal role ad they will barely skip a beat, but what if Kidd is as much of a genius on the sideline that he was on the court? Big payoff.

4.Health is the only thing that can stop them. There are no super selfish players so they will all be in win now mode. Also they are all above average defenders so they should be around 10th in league defense.

5.true they will be in the eastern conf finals

[QUOTE=INDI]1. Brilliant!!! They got tons of talent and gave nothing away, who cares about draft picks that wont amount to much. With the trades at the very least it made the nets a team that needs to be in the conversation for contender and thats all that you can hope for. Before prok. They were a bottom feeder franchise, 3 years later they are contenders, whoa.

2. X factor is williams. People forget that at times he looks like the best pg in the league. If anyone was to have a great season, i would say his would be the most impactful.

3. I admit that kidd was a risky decision but it was a low risk high reward decision. If kidd ist two wet behind the ears then lawrence frank will have a more vocal role ad they will barely skip a beat, but what if Kidd is as much of a genius on the sideline that he was on the court? Big payoff.

4.Health is the only thing that can stop them. There are no super selfish players so they will all be in win now mode. [B]Also they are all above average defenders so they should be around 10th in league defense.
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5.true they will be in the eastern conf finals[/QUOTE]
Let me guess, you're a Nets fan?

[QUOTE=niko]Let me guess, you're a Nets fan?[/QUOTE]

All things Brooklyn for me. That's my hometown so the moment I knew they were moving there is when I chose them as my new team.

10th is not unrealistic, you only have around 6 great defensive teams (heat, pacers, bulls, thunder, grizz, spurs) am I correct? That still leaves room for 3 other teams to be ahead of them. They have KG, AK47, Reggie Evans and Alan Anderson, all are well above average defenders and then you have a bunch of veterans that now how to play as well as length. Whats there not to like about their defense?

Top 10 in defense seems right. I would say 7th. They were fourth in least amount of points allowed last season and an abysmal 18th in defensive rating. The addition of Kevin and AK should put us in the top 10. Hopefully KG makes Brook a defensive beast. If that happens, 7th is realistic.

[B]1. Nets trade for KG, Pierce, and Terry. Brilliant trade or Skeptical?
Skeptical and stupid:oldlol:
2. Which Brooklyn Nets player do you consider the "X Factor" for this seasons success?
kirlenko.
3. TRUE or FALSE: Jason Kidd was a smart hire as Head Coach.
FALSE:facepalm
4. Chemistry, Defense, or Health: Which of these 3 will be the biggest challenge for the Nets?
Health. too many old bagz in tha set:oldlol:
5. TRUE or FALSE: The Brooklyn Nets will make the Eastern Conference Finals this season. TRIPLE FALSE:lol :roll: :oldlol:
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whoa, nice! it's hard to know when a decent thread will pop up in this wretched hive of scum and villainy.


anyway, seems like boozehound and thorp pretty much nailed it. what else is there to add? i say enjoy the ride... try not to freak out if / when it comes up a little short.

as a nets fan, this will be the first season in years that should be truly fascinating. last year i didn't like the mix of parts from the very beginning... could barely keep my eyes open half way through the season. :facepalm

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Top 10 in defense seems right. I would say 7th. They were fourth in least amount of points allowed last season and an abysmal 18th in defensive rating. The addition of Kevin and AK should put us in the top 10. Hopefully KG makes Brook a defensive beast. If that happens, 7th is realistic.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure Brook, who responds awful to being yelled at will respond great to KG who isn't a sociopath or anything.

[QUOTE][url]http://nba.si.com/2013/08/26/offseason-grades-brooklyn-nets-kevin-garnett-jason-kidd/?sct=nba_t11_a2[/url]

Every other selection has been dealt in total or via the right for a trade partner to take the Nets’ pick if it’s higher than its own. Here’s the breakdown:

2014
First round: [B]No pick.[/B] The Hawks can swap picks with the Nets as part of last year’s Joe Johnson deal, and the lesser of the two picks is now owed to Boston from the Garnett-Pierce-Wallace trade.
Second round:[B] No pick. [/B]It was traded to Boston (along with the rights to JaJuan Johnson) in 2011 for the rights to MarShon Brooks. Philadelphia now owns this pick.

2015
First round: The Hawks can [B]swap [/B]picks with the Nets as part of the Johnson deal.
Second round: [B]No pick.[/B] It was traded to Utah for Mehmet Okur in 2011.

2016
First round: [B]No pick.[/B] It was traded to Boston in the Garnett-Pierce-Wallace deal.
Second round: The Clippers can [B]swap [/B]picks with the Nets as part of the the Evans sign-and-trade deal last year. (The Clippers lose the ability to swap second-round picks if their own choice falls in the 56-60 range.)

2017
First round: The Celtics can [B]swap[/B] picks with the Nets as part of the Garnett-Pierce-Wallace deal.
Second round: [B]No pick.[/B] It was traded to Atlanta in the Johnson deal.

2018
First round: [B]No pick.[/B] It was traded to Boston in the Garnett-Pierce-Wallace deal.
Second round: Brooklyn has this selection.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=bagelred]:roll:[/QUOTE]

how is that possible?

i thought you cant traded first rounders 2 years in a row?

[QUOTE=chips93]how is that possible?

i thought you cant traded first rounders 2 years in a row?[/QUOTE]
Every other year they trade places, still have a pick, just will be the worse of their's and the Celtics and Hawks.

If Nets don't win a title this might be remembered very badly in retrospect. It will be a total second guess but that never stopped anyone before.

[QUOTE=niko]I'm sure Brook, who responds awful to being yelled at will respond great to KG who isn't a sociopath or anything.[/QUOTE]
How do you know brooks responds awful to being yelled at? In my years of watching brook play as a net, he's never been yelled at. plus, brook is not the guy to flip out. especially if kg is yelling at him. wow, you really try to reach for ANYTHING negative even when there's nothing to reach for when it comes to the nets.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]How do you know brooks responds awful to being yelled at? In my years of watching brook play as a net, he's never been yelled at. plus, brook is not the guy to flip out. especially if kg is yelling at him. wow, you really try to reach for ANYTHING negative even when there's nothing to reach for when it comes to the nets.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
There's tons of information about him and Avery, the fact his rebounding and defense got worse and worse under Avery, that he didn't like the yelling and needling. Did you not see him play and be rooted the spot like a tree while Avery yelled at everything the Nets did?

Based on everything we know about Brook's personality that's a huge stretch to assume it will be great. Brook is the most non confrontasional person in the world and likes to talk about superman and batman. KG is a sociopath who is intense all of the time. When KG yells at Brook to get the **** down the court or he'll punch him in the head, Brook will absolutely 100% respond well? I say maybe, maybe not. You say of course. Based on what?

Did you see any Laker games last year?

[QUOTE=niko]There's tons of information about him and Avery, the fact his rebounding and defense got worse and worse under Avery, that he didn't like the yelling and needling. Did you not see him play and be rooted the spot like a tree while Avery yelled at everything the Nets did?

Based on everything we know about Brook's personality that's a huge stretch to assume it will be great. Brook is the most non confrontasional person in the world and likes to talk about superman and batman. KG is a sociopath who is intense all of the time. When KG yells at Brook to get the **** down the court or he'll punch him in the head, Brook will absolutely 100% respond well? I say maybe, maybe not. You say of course. Based on what?

Did you see any Laker games last year?[/QUOTE]
This is literally the 1st time I've ever heard anything about Avery having a bad effect on Lopez, just saying.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]This is literally the 1st time I've ever heard anything about Avery having a bad effect on Lopez, just saying.[/QUOTE]

Because you decided to become a Net fan the day Jason Kidd took over, just saying. We have conversations back and forth ad nasuem about Avery, you know - when you were a fan of a different team.

Look, if i were to bet i'd bet Garnett has a good impact on Lopez but saying it's 100% definitely going to work means you are either just being a fanboy or just aren't knowledgable because personality wise, those two are miles apart, and none of the Celtics main pieces were like Brook personality wise.)

(Note: If you come back to tell me Brook is this badass then I'm not conversing with you anymore because making shit up doesn't make for good conversation.)

[QUOTE=niko]Because you decided to become a Net fan the day Jason Kidd took over, just saying. We have conversations back and forth ad nasuem about Avery, you know - when you were a fan of a different team.

Look, if i were to bet i'd bet Garnett has a good impact on Lopez but saying it's 100% definitely going to work means you are either just being a fanboy or just aren't knowledgable because personality wise, those two are miles apart, and none of the Celtics main pieces were like Brook personality wise.)

(Note: If you come back to tell me Brook is this badass then I'm not conversing with you anymore because making shit up doesn't make for good conversation.)[/QUOTE]

You're right, I have been a Nets fan since Kidd took over... In 2001. Also, I think Brook is going to respond poorly to Garnett. I actually think that Brook is one of the most overrated players in the league, most people don't understand how much he has benefitted in his career with Williams/ Carter/ Johnson creating shots for him. The only reason Nets fans value him so much is because we drafted him, I honestly think its the funniest thing in the world when Nets fans blame Williams/Johnson/Evans for losses but dont mention anything about Brooks ridiculously soft and slow interior defense because he is considered untouchable by most Nets fans and apparently he can do no wrong. I would honestly trade him for Marcin Gortat if I had the chance. I'm just saying that I never heard anything about Johnson hurting Brook in any way.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]You're right, I have been a Nets fan since Kidd took over... In 2001. Also, I think Brook is going to respond poorly to Garnett. I actually think that Brook is one of the most overrated players in the league, most people don't understand how much he has benefitted in his career with Williams/ Carter/ Johnson creating shots for him. The only reason Nets fans value him so much is because we drafted him, I honestly think its the funniest thing in the world when Nets fans blame Williams/Johnson/Evans for losses but dont mention anything about Brooks ridiculously soft and slow interior defense because he is considered untouchable by most Nets fans and apparently he can do no wrong. I would honestly trade him for Marcin Gortat if I had the chance. I'm just saying that I never heard anything about Johnson hurting Brook in any way.[/QUOTE]
Im just busting chops, you don't have to justify your fandom to me. :lol

I've heard Brook doesn't react well to the yelling, that basically he just doesn't have that kind of twitch reaction if someone yells GO LEFT! to suddenly go left. He's not soft. He's slow and a bit sensitive. I know people who met him, say he's about the nicest human being you've ever met, but his interests are all outside bball. Plus ive seen it, went to a few Net games right on the baseline. Avery was a total prick. Nothing was his fault, rolled his eyes, yelled when they ****ed up to no one in particular just to make sure everyone noted it was not his fault but their **** up, just was frustrated and angry at all times.

in the following img, brook very politely takes a seat after avery very politely tells him to sit down.

[img]http://i.minus.com/iCb2jKKFmyAY5.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=gigantes]in the following img, brook very politely takes a seat after avery very politely tells him to sit down.

[img]http://i.minus.com/iCb2jKKFmyAY5.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

Great picture.

If anyone ever wants to see what was bad about Avery as coach, go find a tape of the loss to OKC in 2 OT (i think) from 2011. He was abrasive, he was blaming everyone, going into histrionics, in a game the nets had a chance of winning. It was completely the player's fault, and he wanted you to know it, and they hated him for it.

[QUOTE=niko]Great picture.

If anyone ever wants to see what was bad about Avery as coach, go find a tape of the loss to OKC in 2 OT (i think) from 2011. He was abrasive, he was blaming everyone, going into histrionics, in a game the nets had a chance of winning. It was completely the player's fault, and he wanted you to know it, and they hated him for it.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, Avery was a peice of shit, worthless, negative coach, not to mention he was completely insane and a control freak. I honestly don't understand how that Dallas team dealt with that condescending midget asshole.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]Exactly, Avery was a peice of shit, worthless, negative coach, not to mention he was completely insane and a control freak. I honestly don't understand how that Dallas team dealt with that condescending midget asshole.[/QUOTE]
IIRC he did a nice job for them on the defensive side, then when he got promoted it was pretty much the peter principle at work. of course, the same thing has happened to lots of other head coaches who turned out to be busts at that level.

i'm sure he does plenty of good things... he just doesn't seem to have the personality to wear the captain's hat. of course, a lot of this is also on king and prokhy. you can't hire an under-performing coach followed by a virgin head coach and say you did very well in the hiring process. all you're left with is hoping that something good happens out of all that.

matter of fact, that's how the trades and the loss of draft picks has gone so far, as well. a lot of big, bold moves and a lot of hoping that it will pan out in the end. we'll see......

[QUOTE=gigantes]IIRC he did a nice job for them on the defensive side, then when he got promoted it was pretty much the peter principle at work. of course, the same thing has happened to lots of other head coaches who turned out to be busts at that level.

i'm sure he does plenty of good things... he just doesn't seem to have the personality to wear the captain's hat. of course, a lot of this is also on king and prokhy. you can't hire an under-performing coach followed by a virgin head coach and say you did very well in the hiring process. all you're left with is hoping that something good happens out of all that.

matter of fact, that's how the trades and the loss of draft picks has gone so far, as well. a lot of big, bold moves and a lot of hoping that it will pan out in the end. we'll see......[/QUOTE]

The Nets make moves that if you take them separately, sound fine. But the problem is the moves are not the result of a plan, they are whatever tweaks their fancy at the moment. Kidd was made the coach, then they blew it up and got an uber veteran win now team. They made the JJ trade, used all their cap space, then tried to leap back into the D12 derby without cap room to use. They aren't following a definitive plan, and usually that comes back to bite you because it means at best you have no margin of error.

[QUOTE=niko]The Nets make moves that if you take them separately, sound fine. But the problem is the moves are not the result of a plan, they are whatever tweaks their fancy at the moment. Kidd was made the coach, then they blew it up and got an uber veteran win now team. They made the JJ trade, used all their cap space, then tried to leap back into the D12 derby without cap room to use. They aren't following a definitive plan, and usually that comes back to bite you because it means at best you have no margin of error.[/QUOTE]

The JJ trade was a move to show Deron that they're committed to winning. I agree that the Kidd hiring and Celtics trade don't really mix, but the team does have a plan. That plan is to win now with this core, which they are very capable of doing and then in 2016 chase after the big name free agents. This team doesn't want to go through a rebuilding process, only a reloading.

[QUOTE=gigantes]IIRC he did a nice job for them on the defensive side, then when he got promoted it was pretty much the peter principle at work. of course, the same thing has happened to lots of other head coaches who turned out to be busts at that level.

i'm sure he does plenty of good things... he just doesn't seem to have the personality to wear the captain's hat. of course, a lot of this is also on king and prokhy. you can't hire an under-performing coach followed by a virgin head coach and say you did very well in the hiring process. all you're left with is hoping that something good happens out of all that.

matter of fact, that's how the trades and the loss of draft picks has gone so far, as well. a lot of big, bold moves and a lot of hoping that it will pan out in the end. we'll see......[/QUOTE]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say that they traded draft picks for something that they hope will come together is some how a bad thing then that doesn't make sense because rebuilding through draft picks is the definition of "hoping everything goes well". Hell, the NBA is all about hoping everything goes well. The players/coaches that will constantly have a team in contention (Shaq, Lebron, Duncan, Popovic) are few and far between. The rest of the league has to just put the best team possible on the floor and hope everything works out, which the Nets, Bulls, Pacers, Clippers, Warriors etc. have all done.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]The JJ trade was a move to show Deron that they're committed to winning. I agree that the Kidd hiring and Celtics trade don't really mix, but the team does have a plan. That plan is to win now with this core, which they are very capable of doing and then in 2016 chase after the big name free agents. This team doesn't want to go through a rebuilding process, only a reloading.[/QUOTE]
Winning is not a plan, it's a hope. How you go about it is a plan. The Nets never had a thought of what kind of team they wanted to put around Deron, how they wanted to play, etc. Kidd said he wanted to run, remember that? The Nets are pretty much slow as shit. They got a rookie coach, then got vets. Got JJ to show Deron they loved him and ruined the D12 chase, which was fine except they re-entered the chase right after.

They have no plan. Reloading every few years isn't going to work, that's not a plan, that's hope. I've seen that plan.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]I don't really understand what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say that they traded draft picks for something that they hope will come together is some how a bad thing then that doesn't make sense because rebuilding through draft picks is the definition of "hoping everything goes well". Hell, the NBA is all about hoping everything goes well. The players/coaches that will constantly have a team in contention (Shaq, Lebron, Duncan, Popovic) are few and far between. The rest of the league has to just put the best team possible on the floor and hope everything works out, which the Nets, Bulls, Pacers, Clippers, Warriors etc. have all done.[/QUOTE]
relax, mate.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]You're right, I have been a Nets fan since Kidd took over... In 2001. Also, I think Brook is going to respond poorly to Garnett. I actually think that Brook is one of the most overrated players in the league, most people don't understand how much he has benefitted in his career with Williams/ Carter/ Johnson creating shots for him. The only reason Nets fans value him so much is because we drafted him, I honestly think its the funniest thing in the world when Nets fans blame Williams/Johnson/Evans for losses but dont mention anything about Brooks ridiculously soft and slow interior defense because he is considered untouchable by most Nets fans and apparently he can do no wrong. I would honestly trade him for Marcin Gortat if I had the chance. I'm just saying that I never heard anything about Johnson hurting Brook in any way.[/QUOTE]
wow :wtf: also niko was riht, Avery was terrible for brook. please dont tell me you don't remember the game where Avery yanked Brook at the end of a close game that went into OT
Edit: gigantes was way ahead of me lol

[QUOTE=niko]Winning is not a plan, it's a hope. How you go about it is a plan. The Nets never had a thought of what kind of team they wanted to put around Deron, how they wanted to play, etc. Kidd said he wanted to run, remember that? The Nets are pretty much slow as shit. They got a rookie coach, then got vets. Got JJ to show Deron they loved him and ruined the D12 chase, which was fine except they re-entered the chase right after.

They have no plan. Reloading every few years isn't going to work, that's not a plan, that's hope. I've seen that plan.[/QUOTE]
Alright niko. You're a fan of the Knicks, correct? What exactly is their plan? Trading a future 1st round/2nd round pick for a player who was thought to be untradable? Signing metta world peace? Isn't JR Smith bad enough to have? Two crazies on the same team? Who do they have to help Melo win? Is a sixth man that worries more about Rihanna than the playoffs their thought? Is Tyson Chandler their thought? Felton? Get the man a damn robin already. The nets made an effort. If you have an option to improve your team while getting rid of two pretty blah contracts, you're gonna do it, Jason has never coached so running coulda been an option but hey he's played in many different systems so I'm sure he can adjust his book a little.

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Alright niko. You're a fan of the Knicks, correct? What exactly is their plan? Trading a future 1st round/2nd round pick for a player who was thought to be untradable? Signing metta world peace? Isn't JR Smith bad enough to have? Two crazies on the same team? Who do they have to help Melo win? Is a sixth man that worries more about Rihanna than the playoffs their thought? Is Tyson Chandler their thought? Felton? Get the man a damn robin already. The nets made an effort. If you have an option to improve your team while getting rid of two pretty blah contracts, you're gonna do it, Jason has never coached so running coulda been an option but hey he's played in many different systems so I'm sure he can adjust his book a little.[/QUOTE]

Niko has said several times that the Knicks are poorly managed, no need to remind or attack him.

[QUOTE=niko]Winning is not a plan, it's a hope. How you go about it is a plan. The Nets never had a thought of what kind of team they wanted to put around Deron, how they wanted to play, etc. Kidd said he wanted to run, remember that? The Nets are pretty much slow as shit. They got a rookie coach, then got vets. Got JJ to show Deron they loved him and ruined the D12 chase, which was fine except they re-entered the chase right after.

They have no plan. Reloading every few years isn't going to work, that's not a plan, that's hope. I've seen that plan.[/QUOTE]

Ill give you that. I actually think they had plans, but couldn't go through with the plan fully. The JJ move was desperate, but it had to be done since the magic were being stubborn. The Kidd hire, IMO, was to help change the Nets losing culture into a winning one, they probably didnt know that they would Get KG and Peirce so they signed Kidd because he had the highest risk/reward. The Kidd hire was a bad move in hindsight, but it was a good move at the time. I think that the Nets are just taking the best options possible, such as JJ for spare parts and KG and Pierce for low draft picks. The Nets however, put a damn good team on the floor for not having a plan.

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Alright niko. You're a fan of the Knicks, correct? What exactly is their plan? Trading a future 1st round/2nd round pick for a player who was thought to be untradable? Signing metta world peace? Isn't JR Smith bad enough to have? Two crazies on the same team? Who do they have to help Melo win? Is a sixth man that worries more about Rihanna than the playoffs their thought? Is Tyson Chandler their thought? Felton? Get the man a damn robin already. The nets made an effort. If you have an option to improve your team while getting rid of two pretty blah contracts, you're gonna do it, Jason has never coached so running coulda been an option but hey he's played in many different systems so I'm sure he can adjust his book a little.[/QUOTE]
The Knicks plan is to build around Carmelo with shooters and good ball movement (2 pg) and then in 2 years to reset. Their coach is in on it too. Is it a title winning plan? Doesn't look like it. The Knicks in their history have barely ever had a good plan.

Look at the Pacers, how they build. Miami who puts shooters around Lebron. SA. Looking at the Knicks who have a crappy plan doesn't mean the Nets have a plan.

Net fans always say "what about the Knicks?" What about us? If your goal is to just be better than the Knicks? Lofty goal.

Tell me the Nets plan. WIN A TITLE is not a plan, it's a goal. Tell me their plan.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]Niko has said several times that the Knicks are poorly managed, no need to remind or attack him.[/QUOTE]
man shut up,your team lost to tha 3rd string bulls in tha 1st damn round for cryin out loud:roll: