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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=reppy]
But even to this day, he gets to hear what some white people think about black people. They don't realize he had a black mom and so they feel it's completely okay to be racist towards blacks around him.
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Because I'm white I hear people say shit about black people, and it offends the shit out of me. I can only imagine if I had experienced discrimination first hand as a black person and then heard that shit.
Even when people aren't meant to be hurtful like when telling racist jokes, it says something that they often choose to do so when they aren't with their black friends. A semi-friend of mine a couple weeks ago told a joke and I reminded him that my gf is black right after he told it. He then got very worried when I told him I was going to tell her the joke and inform her that he was the one who said it. Admittedly, I knew she would laugh and was f*cking with him intentionally to make him worried because he doesn't really know her or her sense of humor.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Myth]Simply questioning how you are perceived based on race shows that racism still exists.[/QUOTE]
Or social conditioning for perceiving racism exists. I'd hazard a guess and say more people are told the N-word is a bad word than experience having the N-word used against them. Their negative reaction to the word stems from the perception of racism rather than the experience of racism.
How much is in-group conditioning constructing the beliefs and perceptions about out-groups?
I could be wrong on that one though, more of a passing thought.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
who gives a fck about what people "say" or "dirty looks" ?
I've had blacks mean mug me plenty of times and I never care about it enough to throw out "OMG he hates me because I'm white!"
I've heard blacks talk ill of white people, even my own black friends...never gave a fck really
sticks and stones...
I mean really if you're going to complain about racism then let be about not getting a job or something that actually means something.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Are you sure them being black has anything at all to do with the dirty looks?
Not pointing fingers here, but many blacks suffer from turning things into a race issue that simply was not a race issue...[/QUOTE]
I didnt say the looks are due racism... Im relating it to fact that I dont see it, so it doesnt register in my mind..
Im trying to see where people who pretend racism doesnt exist are coming from.. Because I dont see it.. I might downplay it bit more than she likes..
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Myth]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
that dude is a troll who rivals my shadow.. ignore him.. he's probably an alt..
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=miller-time]Or social conditioning for perceiving racism exists. I'd hazard a guess and say more people are told the N-word is a bad word than experience having the N-word used against them. Their negative reaction to the word stems from the perception of racism rather than the experience of racism.
How much is in-group conditioning constructing the beliefs and perceptions about out-groups?
I could be wrong on that one though, more of a passing thought.[/QUOTE]
That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]who gives a fck about what people "say" or "dirty looks" ?
I've had blacks mean mug me plenty of times and I never care about it enough to throw out "OMG he hates me because I'm white!"
I've heard blacks talk ill of white people, even my own black friends...never gave a fck really
sticks and stones...
I mean really if you're going to complain about racism then let be about not getting a job or something that actually means something.[/QUOTE]
A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]that dude is a troll who rivals my shadow.. ignore him.. he's probably an alt..[/QUOTE]
Which was why I simply posted a emoticon versus a thought out response. There was another post that I simply ignored completely for the same reason of it being blatantly bad.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Myth]That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used. [/quote]
most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.
White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...
Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
I like how Myth gets a psych degree and suddenly becomes an authority on everything.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I didnt say the looks are due racism... Im relating it to fact that I dont see it, so it doesnt register in my mind..
Im trying to see where people who pretend racism doesnt exist are coming from.. Because I dont see it.. I might downplay it bit more than she likes..[/QUOTE]
okay gotcha
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.
White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...
Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job[/QUOTE]
Yeah. As I said, racism today is more covert and about bias. Even when I'm only around white people, nobody drops a hard N.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]I like how Myth gets a psych degree and suddenly becomes an authority on everything.[/QUOTE]
:lol
I only claim to be an authority on things I have actually spent much time learning about. Diversity happens to have been one of the strongest focuses in my 10 years of studying psychology (Diversity and relationships were my two strongest focuses). However, even when talking about race and minorities, I don't claim to be an authority. I talk primarily from a position of an intellectual understanding of the experience of minorities. As much as I understand lots of this intellectually, I won't have the experience of fully understanding the experience.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Myth]That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used.[/quote]
Well that was just a specific example. In general it would be lessons about distrust and over analyzing the behavior of white people. Learning that a group of people are inherently racist (as opposed to experiencing racism from them) will probably make you see them that way.
[quote]A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).[/QUOTE]
Louis CK - [url]http://youtu.be/TG4f9zR5yzY?t=1m58s[/url]
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Myth]T
A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).[/QUOTE]
I disagree...I think brushing off bad names and dirty looks is an adult thing, not a race thing
someone looked at your black girlfriend with a mean grin?...who gives a shit, move on
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]someone looked at your black girlfriend with a mean grin?...who gives a shit, move on[/QUOTE]
That is good advice if it happens once or twice, but if it happens a lot then it is going to build up. No matter how adult you are, you can only take so much nonsense from other people.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.[/QUOTE]
You live in Alabama though, that's expected. :oldlol:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.
[B]White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...[/B]
Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job[/QUOTE]
Who is the racist now?
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=miller-time]
Louis CK - [url]http://youtu.be/TG4f9zR5yzY?t=1m58s[/url][/QUOTE]
I love Louis. His comedy is so honest and spot on.
As to the other part, I agree that is part of it, but the actual lived experience of it being there can't help.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.[/QUOTE]
Good coping skills :applause:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Miss Bella]Who is the racist now?[/QUOTE]
Like I said already, I have white family members so, I know when certain people use the "n" word...
My wife or my mother in law will tell me about people who we both know who drop the "n" word like its hot..
Hmmmmm. Ive been around these people and they dont seem to do that when Im around.. :confusedshrug: I wonder why that is?
Suddenly they have a nice check on their lip when they see me.. :oldlol:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Graviton]You live in Alabama though, that's expected. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
yeah some of it really can hurt though. i've gotten close to people, but then i learn they still dont feel like we're equals y'know? i've had a lot of good experiences with older white people though. a huge majority of the time their really nice :D
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Like I said already, I have white family members so, I know when certain people use the "n" word...
My wife or my mother in law will tell me about people who we both know who drop the "n" word like its hot..
Hmmmmm. Ive been around these people and they dont seem to do that when Im around.. :confusedshrug: I wonder why that is?
Suddenly they have a nice check on their lip when they see me.. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
But seeing your stories of alleged racism your generalizing and calling all white people scared is also racism. I thought you, who have been through so much oppression would be above this crap. After all an old lady did scream at you, the horror!:(
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[QUOTE=Miss Bella]But seeing your stories of alleged racism your generalizing and calling [B]all white people[/B] scared is also racism. I thought you, who have been through so much oppression would be above this crap. After all an old lady did scream at you. the horror.[/QUOTE]
I didnt say [B]ALL[/B] white people... get your reading comprehension up...
secondly.. me believing that white people are scared to say a racist slur to my face doesnt make me a racist :roll:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]secondly.. me believing[B] that white people [/B]are scared to say a racist slur to my face doesnt make me a racist :roll:[/QUOTE]
You should preface it by saying "[I]some[/I] white people" or "[I]most[/I] white people" otherwise it comes across as a generalization.
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[QUOTE=miller-time]You should preface it by saying "[I]some[/I] white people" or "[I]most[/I] white people" otherwise it comes across as a generalization.[/QUOTE]
OK "some" white people
But even with that, how does that equal racism?
a generalization does not = racism..
Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]OK "some" white people
But even with that, how does that equal racism?
a generalization does not = racism..
Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly[/QUOTE]
No, what is silly is you seeing racism in an old lady saving a parking spot for her husband and I will not argue if it was right or not.
I was just being generous as you in using the "R" word.
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[QUOTE=Miss Bella]No, what is silly is you seeing racism in an old lady saving a parking spot for her husband and I will not argue if it was right or not.[/QUOTE]
She told the cop I called her racial slur when my wife is white.. :oldlol: and there was people around who called her on that lie... She lied
then the cop ignored her screaming over his shoulder and acted like I was the one driving the confrontation when we were walking to our car the whole time..
She was clearly p*ssed because I took the parking spot so she concocted a racial lie to get the cop to arrest me..
It didnt work though, because we basically ignored them and left before it got out of hand..
:confusedshrug:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
Rasheed1, you're being insensitive to the crazed, the maniacs, the militant white supremacists, etc, etc.
SOME OF THEM WOULD SAY IT TO YOUR FACE!
:lol :D
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]She told the cop I called her racial slur when my wife is white.. :oldlol: and there was people around who called her on that lie... She lied
then the cop ignored her screaming over his shoulder and acted like I was the one driving the confrontation when we were walking to our car the whole time..
She was clearly p*ssed because I took the parking spot so she concocted a racial lie to get the cop to arrest me..
It didnt work though, because we basically ignored them and left before it got out of hand..
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So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
Some black people are perpetual victims. They'll never drop the victim mentality and cries of racism because it's an easy and handy cop out.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Miss Bella]So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.[/QUOTE]
good :cheers:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]OK "some" white people
But even with that, how does that equal racism?
a generalization does not = racism..
Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly[/QUOTE]
Racism is built on generalizations and stereotypes. Allow yourself some wiggle room by only including a segment of a group as opposed to the whole group. Generalizing doesn't make you racist, but it doesn't make you seem objective either.
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[QUOTE=Miss Bella]So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Yeah, Rasheed isn't very bright if you hadn't noticed.
[I]Accusations of racism is, in fact, racism itself![/I]
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
Am I too white to see the racism in Rasheed1 second story?
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=miller-time]Racism is built on generalizations and stereotypes. Allow yourself some wiggle room by only including a segment of a group as opposed to the whole group. Generalizing doesn't make you racist, but it doesn't make you seem objective either.[/QUOTE]
I get the idea of your post, but if you are looking at the context? its totally ridiculous to try and nitpick me for saying "some" white people are scared to say the N word to my face..
Does it make me[B] MORE[/B] objective if I say "some" ?
Does that make the statement[B] LESS[/B] offensive?
& who gets offended if I say whites are scared to say that word? a racist who is himself scared to say it?
I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
Did you guys really miss the ****ing boat on Rasheed1's story?
The cop took the white woman's side. She was being belligerent, yelling and screaming and making up accusations towards him. Meanwhile, the crowd was supporting [i]him[/i].
What do you think would have happened if Rasheed1 was yelling and screaming at this woman, accusing her of calling him a racial slur while the onlookers defended the woman. Do you think the cop would have let him scream and yell behind his back while speaking with the woman?
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:
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Re: The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism
[QUOTE=miller-time]Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: duly noted..