If Zimmerman went to the grocery store and bought a bag of chips, I'm sure gigantes would lose his shyt and try to make Zimmerman look like Hitler :facepalm
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If Zimmerman went to the grocery store and bought a bag of chips, I'm sure gigantes would lose his shyt and try to make Zimmerman look like Hitler :facepalm
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[QUOTE=Bandito]How is that psycho. Somebody probably made a joke, he laughed and he realized he was on court so he put on on a serious face. I do that in poker all the time. Heck I do that when somebody say something stupid. I laugh and then turn all serious and just say no.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that gif is reversed anyway.
Get this man a sniper.
His life is basically over anyways. He'll never be able to do anything worthwhile career-wise. Who cares what he does? He's likely buying the shotgun to blow his own brains out. Let him.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]There was physical evidence supporting his story his defense team laid out at trial.
There is no evidence he hit trayvon with a punch or a kick or any offensive move other than the single gunshot wound. Unless you believe trayvon managed to break Zim's nose, give him black eyes and cut up the back of his head after being shot, it is somewhat unlikely that Zim initiated the physical portion of the fight.
Clearly Zim initiated the verbal confrontation, but its not at all clear that he initiated the physical portion. There is a chance that he swung on and missed trayvon or that he tried to grab trayvon rather than hit him, but these two claims are unprovable either way.
Obviously Zim is not tough at all. A large part of his defense was establishing his softness and inability to physically defend himself without shooting trayvon.
Anyways Zim's life has an expiration date on it. I said it a while ago and i'm sticking to it. He will be killed in the next 2 years. Anybody can be killed with a gun. Lots of people want to kill zimmerman.[/QUOTE]
Intersting. Hard to instigate a fight from inside your car. Perhaps if he would have listened to the operator he wouldn't have ruined two people's lives. Although, go ahead, keep being a ****ing moron. It's cool to go against the grain on the internet.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]His MMA trainer at trial (he was under oath and I dont think anyone would lie at a murder trial for a customer of theirs under oath) testified that he [B]was the physically weakest male he ever met [/B]and that he had no aptitude for fighting.
[url]http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/08/just-physically-soft-zimmermans-mma-instructor-says-he-was-a-lousy-fighter/[/url]
There was evidence presented that trayvon had a habit of fighting. He had gotten suspended from school for fighting. he had multiple text messages where he bragged about winning fights.
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Do you believe the trainer or do you believe that Trayvon had a habit of fighting? Its hard to believe in both. Zimmerman had like only two confirmed received blows as by the evidence presented. A teenager who would be totally wild with a stranger fighting him because he had it out for him for no reason (and whom he might believe trying to kill him or rape him). And you believe this teenager was a very experienced fighter. Zimmerman had enough confidence to go behind his back and get the gun and perhaps receive only his two blows of the fight. Very few non trained people can hold a teenager down for a minute and receive only two blows and then after a minute of holding him down be confident enough to put one hand behind his back. A weak person has no chance.
You will blindly believe both because it fits what you want to believe. But it makes no sense. Very few people can be in a street fight with a teenager for a minute, much less in a compromised position. Which side of the story do you believe? The physical evidence, definitely says Zimmerman was very strong and at the least had control enough to put one hand behind his back a minute into a fight.
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The whole thing escalated and its impossible to prove how it became physical. [B]The physical evidence however imo confirms[/B] that the first offensive move that landed was one delivered by trayvon. [/quote]
What is that physical evidence?
[QUOTE=Maniak][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k4omNCD.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Intersting. Hard to instigate a fight from inside your car. Perhaps if he would have listened to the operator he wouldn't have ruined two people's lives. [/QUOTE]
This. Zimmerman made the guy a criminal in his mind. Then pursued him. Then confronted him without identifying himself. And then shot him. His whole night was that of instigation. But some folks are hell bent that Trayvon got his moment in there.
Why are you idiots rehashing shit that has already been discussed ad nauseum on ISH and considered in court?
He was tried. He was found not guilty. He had the multiple injuries, documented. His own trainer rated him 0.5/10 as a fighter. He was screaming for help on his back while he was being assaulted and then fired at his attacker on top of him. Get over it.
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Ha, look at this butt-hurt douche sending me PM's over this lame shit.
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, look at this butt-hurt douche sending me PM's over this lame shit.
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img600/2391/q308.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You didn't sound this confident in your reply to that message. If you need to talk it out, I can still help you with whatever issue your having. You could consider my your older, bigger brother, and you my skinny, goofy sister. I lend my shoulder for you to cry on, young fella. We CAN fix you.:rockon:
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, look at this butt-hurt douche sending me PM's over this lame shit.
[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img600/2391/q308.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:cheers:
Ha, you mean this response?
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha what are you talking about? I don't know who you are but I'm glad you're trying to make a name for yourself. Good luck on ISH and the internetz in general.[/QUOTE]
I still don't know who you are, but I'm happy you're trying to move up.
Travyon, played by Jaden Smith, is shown at school, raising his hand in lit class. The wise Hispanic teacher, played by Antonio Banderas, calls on him. Trayvon stand up and recites lines of Shakespeare in a hip, cool, but moving rap. As he sits down Banderas smiles and nods at him with a wise, knowing approval.
Trayvon is seen hanging out after school on the lush greens of the front school yard with his friends, featuring the girl who played Precious, plus a mix of races: a white blonde girl, a Hispanic kid, an Urkel-looking black nerd, a white kid with his hat on backwards. A veritable Burger King Kids Club.
Cut to a dark apartment, where Zimmerman, played by Luis Guzman, is doing pull-ups, with the words FEAR and HATE inked on his knuckles. He then practices shooting his empty gun at himself in a mirror. "You talking to me?" Guzman says. "You in MY neighborhood?" He then sits down to watch Birth of a Nation.
Cut to Trayvon at home, at the dinner table with his parents, played by Jamie Foxx and Maya Angelou. They discuss Tray's future plans of being an airline pilot. "It's a mighty big responsibility," Jamie Foxx says. "Having all those souls onboard." "I know," Jaden/Tray says. "I want to be like Sully some day though."
After dinner his little brother asks him if he can go get some candy and tea. Even though it's raining out, Tray agrees. In slow-mo he zips up his hoody, pulled from the dryer.
Cut to Zimmerman patrolling the streets as rain pours on his uncovered head. He does tuck-and-rolls across neighbors' lawns, pulling out his gun and pointing it at dark shadows. A cat crosses his path and he fires at it. He chuckles mercilessly.
"Keep the change," Tray says with a smile to the woman working at the convenience store. With the snacks for his brother he walks out of the store, not before passing by a magazine with Sully on the cover. Tray smiles.
Cut to Trayvon skipping down the sidewalk. A group of multicultural young maled is there smoking pot. "You wanna get high?" one asks. "No," Trayvon answers, "then I'll never be able to be a pilot." He continues to skip down the path and eventually enters the condo complex.
As Trayvon turns a corner, a sweaty and enraged Zimmerman emerges from the shadows. "Where do you think you're going, N****?"
Trayvon stumbles on his words and tries to answer but is silenced when Zim cold cocks himself with the gun and starts beating himself on the back of his own head. "Help! Help! Somebody help me!" Zimmerman screams.
"Please sir, I just want to return home to my brother and finish my homework," Trayvon pleads.
"That's too bad," Zimmerman says. He then empties his entire gun cartridge into the baby-faced teen. "It looks like your dog ate it."
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, you mean this response?
I still don't know who you are, but I'm happy you're trying to move up.[/QUOTE]
Yup that's the one, I have no idea who you are either, which is why I was surprised by your original reply to me. I figured you were just trolling me, I figured I'd return the favor. :pimp:
[QUOTE=Raymone]Why are you idiots rehashing shit that has already been discussed ad nauseum on ISH and considered in court?
He was tried. He was found not guilty. He had the multiple injuries, documented. His own trainer rated him 0.5/10 as a fighter. He was screaming for help on his back while he was being assaulted and then fired at his attacker on top of him. Get over it.
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I don't know about you, but if I realized I just murdered an unarmed kid I'd probably break my own nose and hit my head on a wall; but that's just me.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]I don't know about you, but if I realized I just murdered an unarmed kid I'd probably break my own nose and hit my head on a wall; but that's just me.[/QUOTE]
Of course that's what he did. Along with re-enacting a scene from his favorite movie and calculating the perfect lie about his weight.
[QUOTE=BasedTom]Travyon, played by Jaden Smith, is shown at school, raising his hand in lit class. The wise Hispanic teacher, played by Antonio Banderas, calls on him. Trayvon stand up and recites lines of Shakespeare in a hip, cool, but moving rap. As he sits down Banderas smiles and nods at him with a wise, knowing approval.
Trayvon is seen hanging out after school on the lush greens of the front school yard with his friends, featuring the girl who played Precious, plus a mix of races: a white blonde girl, a Hispanic kid, an Urkel-looking black nerd, a white kid with his hat on backwards. A veritable Burger King Kids Club.
Cut to a dark apartment, where Zimmerman, played by Luis Guzman, is doing pull-ups, with the words FEAR and HATE inked on his knuckles. He then practices shooting his empty gun at himself in a mirror. "You talking to me?" Guzman says. "You in MY neighborhood?" He then sits down to watch Birth of a Nation.
Cut to Trayvon at home, at the dinner table with his parents, played by Jamie Foxx and Maya Angelou. They discuss Tray's future plans of being an airline pilot. "It's a mighty big responsibility," Jamie Foxx says. "Having all those souls onboard." "I know," Jaden/Tray says. "I want to be like Sully some day though."
After dinner his little brother asks him if he can go get some candy and tea. Even though it's raining out, Tray agrees. In slow-mo he zips up his hoody, pulled from the dryer.
Cut to Zimmerman patrolling the streets as rain pours on his uncovered head. He does tuck-and-rolls across neighbors' lawns, pulling out his gun and pointing it at dark shadows. A cat crosses his path and he fires at it. He chuckles mercilessly.
"Keep the change," Tray says with a smile to the woman working at the convenience store. With the snacks for his brother he walks out of the store, not before passing by a magazine with Sully on the cover. Tray smiles.
Cut to Trayvon skipping down the sidewalk. A group of multicultural young maled is there smoking pot. "You wanna get high?" one asks. "No," Trayvon answers, "then I'll never be able to be a pilot." He continues to skip down the path and eventually enters the condo complex.
As Trayvon turns a corner, a sweaty and enraged Zimmerman emerges from the shadows. "Where do you think you're going, N****?"
Trayvon stumbles on his words and tries to answer but is silenced when Zim cold cocks himself with the gun and starts beating himself on the back of his own head. "Help! Help! Somebody help me!" Zimmerman screams.
"Please sir, I just want to return home to my brother and finish my homework," Trayvon pleads.
"That's too bad," Zimmerman says. He then empties his entire gun cartridge into the baby-faced teen. "It looks like your dog ate it."[/QUOTE]
BAHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :cheers:
EDIT: Tom, did you just type this up just now or did you pull it off a website somewhere? I took a picture with my iPhone, sent it to a buddy or two of mine. I expect a rant back from one of them in the morning, lol.
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]Yup that's the one, I have no idea who you are either, which is why I was surprised by your original reply to me. I figured you were just trolling me, I figured I'd return the favor. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
You appear to be the only troll in this thread.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You appear to be the only troll in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I have yet to begin to troll you in here. I would have went all in with facts from the Zimmerman case to ruffle your lanky feathers.
EDIT: I would have probably started with this dumb point of view. "I don't know about you, but if I realized I just murdered an unarmed kid I'd probably break my own nose and hit my head on a wall; but that's just me." -You
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]I have yet to begin to troll you in here. I would have went all in with facts from the Zimmerman case to ruffle your lanky feathers.[/QUOTE]
Well let's see it internet tough-guy wannabe.
I think that what happened to Trayvon was terribly unfortunate, but as someone who followed the trial, I honestly believe that the jury reached the right verdict. The defense was HORRIBLE. They couldn't provide any evidence, and much of their arguments fell into blatant emotional appeals that were frankly insulting of the jury's intelligence.
I don't think anybody "won" from this tragedy. Aside from the media who probably got crazy ratings for their coverage of it. Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman probably will be dead in the near future. Well, I suppose O'Mara and West are going to get a lot of new clients, but in my opinion, they did an excellent job.
Thankfully, there weren't race riots or any further unnecessary violence as a result of the verdict. I'm perfectly okay with people disagreeing with the result of the trial. I'm against people ignorantly deciding to back one side without even have attempting to look up the details besides the exaggeration and politically driven bs their friends tell them on twitter; or what Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton says on TV.
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EDIT: Tom, did you just type this up just now or did you pull it off a website somewhere? I took a picture with my iPhone, sent it to a buddy or two of mine. I expect a rant back from one of them in the morning, lol.[/QUOTE]
I copied and pasted it from somewhere else. It's from back during the trial.
[IMG]http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/the-z-trial-meme.jpg[/IMG]
With the whole regrettable media circus going on, I have to say that it was a fairly enjoyable trial to watch unfold. The only thing that bothers me was when people were "Trayvon"ing (posing on the ground in a hoodie, mimicing a dead Trayvon holding skittles and Arizona Iced Tea).
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Well let's see it internet tough-guy wannabe.[/QUOTE]
You really aren't even worth the time, the case if over, your side lost, no back and forth bullshit banter is going to result in a victory for you, so really there is no incentive for me to engage, I've already won. No need to bully you, you aren't a threat to me. [COLOR="White"]I lift, LOL[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=BasedTom][B]I think that what happened to Trayvon was terribly unfortunate, but as someone who followed the trial, I honestly believe that the jury reached the right verdict. The defense was HORRIBLE. They couldn't provide any evidence, and much of their arguments fell into blatant emotional appeals that were frankly insulting of the jury's intelligence.[/B]
I don't think anybody "won" from this tragedy. Aside from the media who probably got crazy ratings for their coverage of it. Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman probably will be dead in the near future. Well, I suppose O'Mara and West are going to get a lot of new clients, but in my opinion, they did an excellent job.
Thankfully, there weren't race riots or any further unnecessary violence as a result of the verdict. I'm perfectly okay with people disagreeing with the result of the trial. I'm against people ignorantly deciding to back one side without even have attempting to look up the details besides the exaggeration and politically driven bs their friends tell them on twitter; or what Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton says on TV.[/QUOTE]
Bingo, Like you I also watched the entire court case from the beginning. I agree with your point of view on the case, it reflects my own.
Let's just use this thread to post pics from the trial. Got any more good ones, BasedTom?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jtzOduw.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YtppUXRl.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9g3zB2R.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]You really aren't even worth the time, the case if over, your side lost, no back and forth bullshit banter is going to result in a victory for you, so really there is no incentive for me to engage, I've already won. No need to bully you, you aren't a threat to me. [COLOR="White"]I lift, LOL[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
what did you win?
[QUOTE=Raymone]Let's just use this thread to post pics from the trial. Got any more good ones, BasedTom?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jtzOduw.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YtppUXRl.jpg[/IMG]
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Oh shit...if were posting Rachel pictures or gifs... I might start crying tears of joy. I can't believe she was the star witness...for the defense, lol. Poor girl
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]what did you win?[/QUOTE]
The hypothetical debate. I know you're a smart dude, I know you comprehended what I said, cmon.
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[QUOTE=Raymone]Let's just use this thread to post pics from the trial. Got any more good ones, BasedTom?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8xFPpXH.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Ce1IzMx.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5BOVUz3.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The Nancy Grace image...priceless..I approve good sir..
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]The hypothetical debate. I know you're a smart dude, I know you comprehended what I said, cmon.[/QUOTE]
I comprehend very well... that is why I asked the question..
every man sees his "victories" in his own little way..
:confusedshrug: I sometimes have to ask where it occurred.. people see what they want you know..
[QUOTE=BasedTom][IMG]http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/george-zimmerman-gif.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mark-omara-1800-kickass.jpg[/IMG]
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O...M...G you guys are killing me.. the zim drawing with hamburgers, LOL. I haven't seen that particular zoolander gif either, lol.
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I comprehend very well... that is why I asked the question..
every man sees his "victories" in his own little way..
:confusedshrug: I sometimes have to ask where it occurred.. people see what they want you know..[/QUOTE]
It's all good man, I see the other sides point of view as well, I'm not saying the guy was a model citizen, far from it, I was just giving my observation to an open question on why he might be buying a shotgun, that's how this whole thing started. I don't hold any ill will towards someone who disagrees with me, I just hope the respect is mutual and we can keep the dialogue going without resorting to name calling. I'm guilty of that sometimes, but I try to keep it civil for the most part. Sorry if I offended you with some of my views on this topic. :cheers:
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]It's all good man, I see the other sides point of view as well, I'm not saying the guy was a model citizen, far from it, I was just giving my observation to an open question on why he might be buying a shotgun, that's how this whole thing started. I don't hold any ill will towards someone who disagrees with me, I just hope the respect is mutual and we can keep the dialogue going without resorting to name calling. I'm guilty of that sometimes, but I try to keep it civil for the most part. Sorry if I offended you with some of my views on this topic. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
everyone is entitled to his own point of view :cheers:
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Holy shit.. it's Chris Dorner..:eek:
btw, nobody from the
[QUOTE=gigantes]btw, nobody from the ’zimmerman’ side here ever did reply on this...
condemned, raymone, based tom, mavsuperfan, etc-- want to give it a try?
[url]http://whonoze.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/lies/[/url][/QUOTE]
What is it? Ill take a look at it.
Edit: Having taken a look at the inconsistencies of the stories and the changes within them, I've come to the same conclusion that I've already had. George may have been guilty of being a racist, bigot, wanna-be cop reject, fulfilling his fantasies by being a roleplaying vigilante in his spare time, he obviously is a liar, but I come to the same conclusion as before, you can't convict someone for second degree murder for being a trash human being, it takes conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt, evidence. Clearly there is a part of the story that we will never know, but even being 98% sure George initiated the fight with Trayvon , without even GETTING into the stand your ground law, it's not enough for a conviction. It's the way our justice department is structured for the time being, it's not perfect, but it's what we have.
Do I think he should have been convicted for second degree murder? No
Do I think he should have gotten off the hook completely? I don't think that either.
Bottom line, the prosecution failed horribly in creating a case against George Zimmerman, a guilty man walked free. Do I think he is guilty of second degree murder and deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison? No I don't. That doesn't mean I don't think he deserved something..
In a nut shell, that's my honest opinion. I hope I replied to your satisfaction.
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]What is it? Ill take a look at it.
Edit: Having taken a look at the inconsistencies of the stories and the changes within them, I've come to the same conclusion that I've already had. George may have been guilty of being a racist, bigot, wanna-be cop reject, fulfilling his fantasies by being a roleplaying vigilante in his spare time, he obviously is a liar, but I come to the same conclusion as before, you can't convict someone for second degree murder for being a trash human being, it takes conclusive, without a shadow of a doubt, evidence. Clearly there is a part of the story that we will never know, but even [b]being 98% sure George initiated the fight with Trayvon[/b] , without even GETTING into the stand your ground law, [b]it's not enough for a conviction.[/b] It's the way our justice department is structured for the time being, it's not perfect, but it's what we have.
Do I think he should have been convicted for second degree murder? No
Do I think he should have gotten off the hook completely? I don't think that either.
Bottom line, the prosecution failed horribly in creating a case against George Zimmerman, a guilty man walked free. Do I think he is guilty of second degree murder and deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison? No I don't. That doesn't mean I don't think he deserved something..
In a nut shell, that's my honest opinion. I hope I replied to your satisfaction.[/QUOTE]
nice reply; thank you for that. :cheers:
we're not so far apart, i think. to me it was only ever manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder. the area where i would disagree with you is in bold.
just due to the properties of reality, you can rarely know anything for sure, if ever. IMO best you can really do is to verify or falsify, although they are not mutually exclusive either. that may not be the way the FL justice system works, and i get that, and angela corey may be a sorry excuse for a prosecutor, and i get that, too... but such things are an aside from the simple reality of this:
it very much appears to me that george zimmerman was the primary reason for that boy's death.
no george zimmerman driving along that day, no reason to doubt trayvon martin makes it home safely from his candy run.