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We have already seen two players better - Kareem and Shaq
Also one that is comparable in Hakeem who won the same amount of rings
We saw Shaq who was pretty damn close in terms of size and athletic ability.
If there will ever be a rookie with a similar physical makeup ever again, I'd say probably yes, the precedent is set(it just might not be anytime soon).
Btw Cavsfan if you are reading this, have you seen the Sportscience poll that rated Bo Jackson the greatest athlete of all time?
If so, what are your thoughts about it?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]We have already seen two players better - Kareem and Shaq
Also one that is comparable in Hakeem who won the same amount of rings[/QUOTE]
Maybe - it's debatable. The question is whether we'll ever see anyone either put up those kind of numbers again, or lead the league in that many categories.
The leading the league in different categories is more telling, because the game changes over time. So you can ask when was the last time someone led the league in scoring, rebounding and shot blocks in the same season like Wilt did for several seasons (here I am assuming he would have beat Russell out some of the time for blocked shots)? Or rebounding, shot blocking and FG%?
It would be the finals version of Shaq during the 3-peat over multiple seasons. So Shaq could have come close to what Wilt did in that sense, if he had been more motivated.
I would still consider Wilt a better shot blocker and rebounder than peak Shaq. But peak finals Shaq is in the ball park on those categories.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]We have already seen two players better - Kareem and Shaq
Also one that is comparable in Hakeem who won the same amount of rings[/QUOTE]
What exactly made Kareem and Shaq 'better' than Wilt? Their rebounding? Defense? Scoring? Passing?... They've got little to nothing on Wilt in terms of being "better" players, and they're actually lagging behind in most categories you could make up as far as responsibilites/duties of the center position goes. The crux of your argument is "rings" and in Kareem's case particularly, longevity and free throws. Only one of those things is an actual ability, they other two are just things that can effect "greatness" rankings depending on who you talk to. But at their peaks, prime Wilt was a better overall player than both of those guys.
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[B]PLAYOFFS[/B]
[B]Championships[/B]
Kareem - 6
Shaq - 4
Hakeem - 2
Wilt - 2
[B]Scoring Average[/B]
Hakeem - 25.9 ppg / 56.9 TS%
Kareem - 24.3 ppg / 57.1 TS%
Shaq - 24.3 ppg / 56.5 TS%
Wilt - 22.5 ppg / 52.4 TS%
[B]30-point games[/B]
Kareem - 75
Shaq - 55
Hakeem - 53
Wilt - 42
[B]40-point games[/B]
Wilt - 13
Shaq - 12
Hakeem - 11
Kareem - 9
Those who use Shaq in an argument like this seem to have not noticed that he never led the league in rebounds or blocks. He did lead the league in FG% ten times, but even that is only once more than Wilt.
There's some kind of weirdo anti-Wilt bias over at the basektball-reference. His fan rating is 116, between George McGinnis and Vlade Divac.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][B]PLAYOFFS[/B]
[B]Championships[/B]
Kareem - 6
Shaq - 4
Hakeem - 2
Wilt - 2
[B]Scoring Average[/B]
Hakeem - 25.9 ppg / 56.9 TS%
Kareem - 24.3 ppg / 57.1 TS%
Shaq - 24.3 ppg / 56.5 TS%
Wilt - 22.5 ppg / 52.4 TS%
[B]30-point games[/B]
Kareem - 75
Shaq - 55
Hakeem - 53
Wilt - 42
[B]40-point games[/B]
Wilt - 13
Shaq - 12
Hakeem - 11
Kareem - 9[/QUOTE]
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His playoff games played with his 3 different team roles - disproportionate in frequency to his regular season career stats.
[B]Wilt played 24 playoff games as the teams dedicated volume scorer...[/B]
[CODE]Season Age Tm Lg [B]G[/B] MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS [B]FG%[/B] 3P% FT% MP [B]PTS[/B] [B]TRB[/B] [B]AST[/B]
1959-60 23 PHW NBA 9 415 125 252 49 110 232 19 17 299 .496 .445 46.1 33.2 25.8 2.1
1960-61 24 PHW NBA 3 144 45 96 21 38 69 6 10 111 .469 .553 48.0 37.0 23.0 2.0
1961-62 25 PHW NBA 12 576 162 347 96 151 319 37 27 420 .467 .636 48.0 35.0 26.6 3.1
[B]Combined[/B] NBA [B]24[/B] 1135 332 695 166 299 620 62 54 830 [B].478[/B] .555 47.3 [B]34.6[/B] [B]25.8[/B] [B]2.6[/B]
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[B]
Wilt played 56 playoff games as a high-post playmaker and balanced defensive/offensive anchor.[/B]
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Season Age Tm Lg [B]G[/B] MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS [B]FG%[/B] 3P% FT% MP [B]PTS TRB AST[/B]
1963-64 27 SFW NBA 12 558 175 322 66 139 302 39 27 416 .543 .475 46.5 34.7 25.2 3.3
1964-65 28 PHI NBA 11 536 123 232 76 136 299 48 29 322 .530 .559 48.7 29.3 27.2 4.4
1965-66 29 PHI NBA 5 240 56 110 28 68 151 15 10 140 .509 .412 48.0 28.0 30.2 3.0
1966-67 30 PHI NBA 15 718 132 228 62 160 437 135 37 326 .579 .388 47.9 21.7 29.1 9.0
1967-68 31 PHI NBA 13 631 124 232 60 158 321 85 29 308 .534 .380 48.5 23.7 24.7 6.5
[B]Combined[/B] NBA [B] 56[/B] 2683 610 1124 292 661 1510 322 132 1512 [B].543[/B] .441 47.9 [B]27.0[/B] [B]26.9[/B] [B]5.8[/B]
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[B]Wilt played 80 playoff games as defensive anchor and an [I]opportunistic[/I] scorer.[/B]
[CODE]
Season Age Tm Lg [B]G[/B] MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS [B]FG%[/B] 3P% FT% MP [B]PTS TRB AST[/B]
1968-69 32 LAL NBA 18 832 96 176 58 148 444 46 46 250 .545 .392 46.2 13.9 24.7 2.6
1969-70 33 LAL NBA 18 851 158 288 82 202 399 81 42 398 .549 .406 47.3 22.1 22.2 4.5
1970-71 34 LAL NBA 12 554 85 187 50 97 242 53 33 220 .455 .515 46.2 18.3 20.2 4.4
1971-72 35 LAL NBA 15 703 80 142 60 122 315 49 47 220 .563 .492 46.9 14.7 21.0 3.3
1972-73 36 LAL NBA 17 801 64 116 49 98 383 60 48 177 .552 .500 47.1 10.4 22.5 3.5
[B]Combined[/B] NBA [B] 80[/B] 3741 483 909 299 667 1783 289 216 1265 [B].531[/B] .448 46.7 [B]15.8 22.3 3.6[/B]
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A whopping [I]50 percent[/I] of his career [B]playoff games[/B] are played from the age of 32-36, as a defensive anchor.
Where as only [I]32 percent[/I] of his career [B]regular season[/B] games are played from that same age with that same role.
^Yeah, was going to say his roles were different. But anyways, since this got left off...
50 point games in the playoffs
Wilt - 4
Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem - 0
And for the record, all 4 very comparable. Not much difference between their games.
[B]NBA Finals[/B]
[B]Record[/B]
Shaq - 4/6
Hakeem - 2/3
Kareem - 6/10
Wilt - 2/6
[B]Scoring Average[/B]
Shaq - 28.8 ppg / 59.0 TS%
Hakeem - 28.0 ppg / 53.4 TS%
Kareem - 23.5 ppg / 55.6 TS%
Wilt - 18.6 ppg / 52.8 TS%
[B]30 point games[/B]
Shaq - 16
Kareem - 16
Hakeem - 8
Wilt - 4
[B]40 point games[/B]
Shaq - 5
Wilt - 1
Kareem - 1
Hakeem - 0
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][B]Finals[/B]
[B]Record[/B]
Shaq - 4/6
Hakeem - 2/3
Kareem - 6/10
Wilt - 2/6
[B]Scoring Average[/B]
Shaq - 28.8 ppg
Hakeem - 28.0 ppg
Kareem - 23.5 ppg
Wilt - 18.6 ppg
[B]30 point games[/B]
Shaq - 16
Kareem - 16
Hakeem - 8
Wilt - 4
[B]40 point games[/B]
Shaq - 5
Wilt - 1
Kareem - 1
Hakeem - 0[/QUOTE]
Number of times Wilt played in the Finals in his prime as a dedicated volume scorer: 0
Number of times Wilt played in the Finals in his prime as a high post-passer / playmaker: 2
Number of times Wilt played in the Finals past his prime, in his 30's sharing offensive touches with a "big 3": 2
Number of times Wilt played in the Finals past his prime, in his mid 30's with a primarily defensive-minded role: 2
Wilt averaged 48.5mpg the season when he averaged 50 points. Guy was playing in blowouts just to pad his scoring total.
[QUOTE=HomieWeMajor]Wilt averaged 48.5mpg the season when he averaged 50 points. Guy was playing in blowouts just to pad his scoring total.[/QUOTE]
Wilt hating 101: Flip/spin Wilt's amazing records into something negative. Your doing good so far :applause:
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]We have already seen two players better - Kareem and Shaq
Also one that is comparable in Hakeem who won the same amount of rings[/QUOTE]
Again, I'm not talking about who's better, I'm talking about if there will be a player who will repeat the statistical performances of Wilt.
For eg. 100 point game
a 50 point, 30 rebound game
[QUOTE=poido123]Again, I'm not talking about who's better, I'm talking about if there will be a player who will repeat the statistical performances of Wilt.
For eg. 100 point game
a 50 point, 30 rebound game[/QUOTE]
I never knew anyone could be so ****ing retarded :facepalm
Do you not fckin get it? The NBA is way different today, it is just not possible for players to average 50 points and 30 rebounds.
NO ONE will EVER get the type of stats wilt did in the regular season, unless the rules of the NBA change. The league was not yet evolved, into the game you know today.
If you think Wilt could average 50 and 30, let alone 40 and 18 today, ur dumb as ****s.
Wilt today would average maybe around 23 and 13, with like 3 blocks.
GEt it into ur dam head, the stats wilt put up will never be put again, just because the NBA has become too evolved
[QUOTE=blood yes]I never knew anyone could be so ****ing retarded :facepalm
Do you not fckin get it? The NBA is way different today, it is just not possible for players to average 50 points and 30 rebounds.
NO ONE will EVER get the type of stats wilt did in the regular season, unless the rules of the NBA change. The league was not yet evolved, into the game you know today.
If you think Wilt could average 50 and 30, let alone 40 and 18 today, ur dumb as ****s.
Wilt today would average maybe around 23 and 13, with like 3 blocks.
GEt it into ur dam head, the stats wilt put up will never be put again, just because the NBA has become too evolved[/QUOTE]
So Wilt Chamberlain would be outrebounded and outscored by Kevin Love
:applause: good maths you did there, Wilt was such a bum
[QUOTE=blood yes]I never knew anyone could be so ****ing retarded :facepalm
Do you not fckin get it? The NBA is way different today, it is just not possible for players to average 50 points and 30 rebounds.
NO ONE will EVER get the type of stats wilt did in the regular season, unless the rules of the NBA change. The league was not yet evolved, into the game you know today.
If you think Wilt could average 50 and 30, let alone 40 and 18 today, ur dumb as ****s.
Wilt today would average maybe around 23 and 13, with like 3 blocks.
GEt it into ur dam head, the stats wilt put up will never be put again, just because the NBA has become too evolved[/QUOTE]
Calm down, take your meds.
When I did suggest what Wilt could average today, I said 25 points and 22 rebounds, with 4 blocks, not out of the question.
Seriously, I have no idea where your angry outburst came from, I didn't attack you nor did I go out of my way to offend you :eek:
[QUOTE=poido123]Calm down, take your meds.
When I did suggest what Wilt could average today, I said 25 points and 22 rebounds, with 4 blocks, not out of the question.
Seriously, I have no idea where your angry outburst came from, I didn't attack you nor did I go out of my way to offend you :eek:[/QUOTE]
HELL NO at 22 rebounds.
At most, wilt today would average 25 and 16.
And i like how you totally evaded the main point of the topic.
Just admit it, you were not thinking straight when you made this thread, a 4 year old would know nobody willl ever repeat the stats wilt put up in the 1960s unless a crazy rule change in the nba happens
Kris humphries
[QUOTE=blood yes]HELL NO at 22 rebounds.
At most, wilt today would average 25 and 16.
And i like how you totally evaded the main point of the topic.
Just admit it, you were not thinking straight when you made this thread, a 4 year old would know nobody willl ever repeat the stats wilt put up in the 1960s unless a crazy rule change in the nba happens[/QUOTE]
lol @ you presuming to know anything about what kind of numbers Wilt would put up, let alone attempting to correct someone :oldlol:
You think Wilt would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]lol @ you presuming to know anything about what kind of numbers Wilt would put up, let alone attempting to correct someone :oldlol:
You think Wilt would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about.[/QUOTE]
First of all, Kevin Love never put up 25-16, and second, his team sucked in the 2011 season, and he was allowed to statpad all he wanted. Are you now trying to say shaq is as good as klove?
25-16 is good stats, that is as good as 27-14, which is what [B]shaq[/B] produced.
By the quotes of CavaliersFTW : "You think Shaq would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about"
[QUOTE=blood yes]HELL NO at 22 rebounds.
At most, wilt today would average 25 and 16.
And i like how you totally evaded the main point of the topic.
Just admit it, you were not thinking straight when you made this thread, a 4 year old would know nobody willl ever repeat the stats wilt put up in the 1960s unless a crazy rule change in the nba happens[/QUOTE]
I suggest you go back to lurking.
I made this thread to have something to talk about in a slow offseason, with so many Jordan vs Lebron vs Kobe threads I offered up something different.
You assuming Wilt would average 25 and 16 is your opinion, not fact. Same as me saying Wilt would average 25 and 22.
You can not assume no one will ever reach the statistical performances of Wilt, because you simply don't know the future or what rules changes may happen in the next 50 years or so.
It's not out of the question, you have no idea who will come along and change the game of basketball..
[QUOTE=blood yes]First of all, Kevin Love never put up 25-16, and second, his team sucked in the 2011 season, and he was allowed to statpad all he wanted. Are you now trying to say shaq is as good as klove?
25-16 is good stats, that is as good as 27-14, which is what [B]shaq[/B] produced.
By the quotes of CavaliersFTW : "You think Shaq would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about"[/QUOTE]
I'm not a Wilt guy, but I'm curious. Wilt had three distinct phases to his career: (a) dedicated volume scorer (b) high post passer (c) dedicated defensive anchor. What numbers do you think he'd put up in each of those three phases (not that I care either way, but it's hard to think of it that way; the guy had a weird career)?
[QUOTE=poido123]I suggest you go back to lurking.
I made this thread to have something to talk about in a slow offseason, with so many Jordan vs Lebron vs Kobe threads I offered up something different.
You assuming Wilt would average 25 and 16 is your opinion, not fact. Same as me saying Wilt would average 25 and 22.
You can not assume no one will ever reach the statistical performances of Wilt, because you simply don't know the future or what rules changes may happen in the next 50 years or so.
It's not out of the question, you have no idea who will come along and change the game of basketball..[/QUOTE]
Can you read? I said "unless a major rule change happens"
And also, do you honestly think 50 and 30 can happen again?
Michael Jordan, KAJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, MAJ, Bird, and others never came close to the stats wilt did, and im sure u have jordan over wilt.
I repeat, nobody in the nba will average 50 and 30 unless a major rule change occurs
[QUOTE=fpliii]I'm not a Wilt guy, but I'm curious. Wilt had three distinct phases to his career: (a) dedicated volume scorer (b) high post passer (c) dedicated defensive anchor. What numbers do you think he'd put up in each of those three phases (not that I care either way, but it's hard to think of it that way; the guy had a weird career)?[/QUOTE]
Im guessing you are talking about wilt today, in the modern 2013 nba?
(points-rebs-assists-blocks)
a. 25-16-2-3
b. 18-16-5-3
c. 18-17-2-4
Before you go all out and complain, remember that shaq at his best averaged 27-14, which is about the same as a 25-16.
No we won't see as dominant a player as Wilt ever again. The guy literally took a shit all over the record books and a lot of his records still stand today. I don't think they'll ever be a more adaptable player in the league.
[QUOTE=blood yes]Im guessing you are talking about wilt today, in the modern 2013 nba?
(points-rebs-assists-blocks)
a. 25-16-2-3
b. 18-16-5-3
c. 18-17-2-4
Before you go all out and complain, remember that shaq at his best averaged 27-14, which is about the same as a 25-16.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the response, and don't worry yourself about me complaining. I disagree with those numbers, but you're entitled to your opinion as long as you've done the research. The Shaq comparison (Shaq's my favorite player all-time) is tough since when he was at his best, he coasted in the regular season (and went all-out in the Finals) aside from 99-00. I think something like this (just off the top of my head):
a) 30-18-1-3
b) 20-20-6-5
c) 15-16-3-4
with career averages of 25-18-4-4 makes sense if he's playing 40-something minutes. If he's getting low-mid 30s instead, probably 23-16-4-4. I think we're on the same page though, for the most part. That being said, we're all speculating, none of us really has a clue.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Thanks for the response, and don't worry yourself about me complaining. I disagree with those numbers, but you're entitled to your opinion as long as you've done the research. The Shaq comparison (Shaq's my favorite player all-time) is tough since when he was at his best, he coasted in the regular season (and went all-out in the Finals) aside from 99-00. I think something like this (just off the top of my head):
a) 30-18-1-3
b) 20-20-6-5
c) 15-16-3-4
with career averages of 25-18-4-4 makes sense if he's playing 40-something minutes. If he's getting low-mid 30s instead, probably 23-16-4-4. I think we're on the same page though, for the most part. That being said, we're all speculating, none of us really has a clue.[/QUOTE]
Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?
a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4
Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).
[QUOTE=aj1987]Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?
a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4
Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).[/QUOTE]
No clue, just pulled those numbers out of nowhere. I'm sure someone could produce good estimates if they put the time in.
I do think his non-scoring numbers would be higher though.
[QUOTE=aj1987]Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?
a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4
Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).[/QUOTE]
The rule changes don't "favor" perimeter players, they merely enable them to pick up the offensive slack big men used to otherwise carry. The game still has room for those bigs to carry an offense with the same kind of dominance - if that is, a big existed that was capable. Suggesting the rules 'favor' the guards in such a way that you feel the NBA rules are holding big men back is likely not the case, for example go watch Hakeem Olajuwon address this on his Youtube channel, he is asked about that topic specifically in an interview and clearly states he doesn't believe rules are holding big men back at all in today's game, he states that the reasons no bigs are doing what the dominant centers of his era and say, the 60's and early 70's era were doing is because those eras were the exception to the norm. The norm being, that no people that size have that level of skill and abilties. He says dominant bigs will return, it's just rare.
In high school, yeah. It happens a lot. In college and the NBA, never. Wilt's dominance in the NBA is like a really dominant, 7'1" college player going to some local middle school basketball team and taking over on the court.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Suggesting the rules 'favor' the guards in such a way that you feel the NBA rules are holding big men back is likely not the case. He says dominant bigs will return, it's just rare.[/QUOTE]
Should've worded it better.
They will, but I don't think we'll see players average 50/25 or even 35/25.
Pretty hilarious how some of you assume that Wilt would have massive scoring seasons.
Wilt's scoring average looks impressive because of two things;
1. The pace, the pace was crazy fast back then and playing for mediocre teams allowed Wilt to statpad like there was no tomorrow. He averaged 40 shots per game during a whole season for god sake. The pace led to alot more FGA which also lead to more points obviously. It should also be noted that his crazy rebounding numbers was also due playing in that particular era, they shot with way worse FG% while taking more shots which led to way more available rebounds.
2. Wilt's playing time, by normal standards no one would play the amount of minutes that WIlt did. Neither guards or big guys, no one. If you'd look at his PER 36 minute average he suddenly looks way more human.
And just a reminder, Wilt's point per game average per 36 minutes in the playoffs was 17.2 points. His numbers in terms of scoring always went down in the playoffs.
And no, we will never see another Wilt because the overall skillset today is way higher than it used to be.
And I assume that OP is meaning if we'd see a player that would dominate in terms of stats the way Wilt did because winning wasn't Wilt thing when he was at his statistical prime.
Wilt played in a way less developed era and he had his statistical prime against shorter and less athletic teams with less skillset. And if that wasn't enough, the defensive schemes are amazing today and you can't say the same about the 60's and Wilt played in an era where double and triple teams were a rarity.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][IMG]http://i.minus.com/iHXWVpqaZYXb2.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[B]Wilt's [/B]playoff scoring average: [U]22.5 points
[/U]
[B]Jordan's [/B]playoff scoring average: [U]33.4 points[/U]
[B]Kobe's [/B]playoff scoring average: [U]25.6 points[/U]
[B]Baylor's [/B]playoff scoring average: [U]27 points[/U]
[B]And it's really hilarious, Wilt scored 60 points or more 32 times in his career but he never did it in the playoffs.. [/B]
Sure, it's possible. There's nobody out there now, but it could happen.
When I say there's nobody out there - - - [B]if there was, we would know it.
[/B]
Look at Kobe when he was a kid. Everybody [I]knew[/I] when he was in high school that something amazing was going on. Same exact thing happened when LeBron showed up. The whole sports world got wound clear up like a top because something amazing was brewing in that high school.
Well in the '50s that was happening too. The entire country knew about the amazingly tall kid from Philly [B]who was absolutely destroying NBA players during his summer vacations[/B].
The guy scored 90 points in a high school game.... that had 8 minute quarters. I mean regardless of competition just the stamina to throw the darn ball in that many times in that amount of time is mind boggling!! To do that you'd have to be moving at a constant, non-stop sprint.
But yeah, sure it could happen one day.
Wilt himself is on record saying that man who could be better than Wilt Chamberlain [B]could be Shaq[/B].... but then after 3 or 4 years he came back and called Shaq out because he didn't bother much with rebounds, didn't play great defense. Which was all true - Shaq played high quality defense all right, good solid NBA level D. But not at a Walton level, not at a Russell level.... not at a Wilt level. Never did. Shaq was elite only within very narrow parameters when using the most elite measuring sticks.
Thus Wilt on Shaq (and I paraphrase... all those interviews are available on youtube).
But those who say that a guy with those kinds of skills and that kind of athletic ability couldn't throw down enormously on today's NBA just have the wrong image of 60s hoops.
Those dudes were big, they were fast, they were strong, and they had very high skills. [I]Same size and speed as today's players.[/I] 6'10 245 lbs is the same size today as it was then. And that was the size of the league's starting centers back then... just like it is today. Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Russell, Chamberlain, Connie Dierking... just a lot of big trees in the paint.
Those guys were the same size as Tim Duncan, Omar Asik, KG, and all the rest, and just like today, they were the most skilled players in the world. 20-10 centers were as valuable back then as they are today.... but #13 was a 30-23 center.... and he [I]stopped shooting midway through his career[/I].
Chamberlain was just like Jordan - he was that much better than anything else out there. The whole arena changes when guys like that walk in.
But Wilt did show up, Mike did show up, Kobe, LeBron..... yes I think there will be another guy like Chamberlain, or like Mighty Bill Russell.... I've been waiting 40 years to see him, and I still get excited at the prospect!!
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Wilt hating 101: Flip/spin Wilt's amazing records into something negative. Your doing good so far :applause:[/QUOTE]
Wil ****-sucking 101: everything you post
I don't understand why Wilt's numbers dipped in the playoffs. Almost every superstar increased their production in the playoffs. Why not Wilt? Even during his 50+ ppg season, his playoff averages decreased dramatically. If he's so good, why did that happen? Normally, you start beasting during the playoffs to prove a point.
[QUOTE=deja vu]I don't understand why Wilt's numbers dipped in the playoffs. Almost every superstar increased their production in the playoffs. Why not Wilt? Even during his 50+ ppg season, his playoff averages decreased dramatically. If he's so good, why did that happen? Normally, you start beasting during the playoffs to prove a point.[/QUOTE]
It's a good question. Too bad those games aren't all available in decent quality for us to watch. I don't know how much playoff footage Cavs has of Wilt.
Possibilities:
1. Better defense in the playoffs, particularly the defensive attention paid to Wilt. Also that Wilt played against Russell for a lot of those games. One poster pointed out that it would be like Jordan playing against Payton each year in the ECF.
2. The pace was different? Maybe less shots available. I'm not sure that's the case, though.
3. It was a better playoff strategy to distribute the ball more on offense to other players.
4. Wilt didn't put up the same kind of effort for whatever reason.
I'm looking at his playoff FG%. It was down a bit his second and third playoffs, but up for his fourth. His PER that playoffs was 31.3, when he he went 34.7/25.2/3.3 on 54.3%. His big scoring came against St Louis. In the finals against Boston he only averaged 29 a game.