[QUOTE=Heavincent]You're only a little bit less of a moron than the OP.[/QUOTE]
You're still at it, huh? Everything Lebron does is bad and so are the people who enjoy his game.
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[QUOTE=Heavincent]You're only a little bit less of a moron than the OP.[/QUOTE]
You're still at it, huh? Everything Lebron does is bad and so are the people who enjoy his game.
[QUOTE=daily]Lebron James age 28, 10 seasons, 765 games
Mic hael Jordan age 28, 8 seasons, 589 games
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So we should hold it against LeBron that he was good enough to dominate NBA players straight out of high school? :roll:
Out of all the prep to pros players, LeBron is the only one dominating immediately. From that first game vs the Sacramento Kings we could tell hes special.
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]The real trolls of the thread are the ones posting "did not read" or insulting this thread. I think OP has very valid points and in no way did he pull some sort of argument out his ass. Isn't that the premise of Jordan stans is that they only post "facts"? Well Tony didn't post anything that wasn't true. Instead of the Jordaneers rationally debating they go on the defense and call this a troll thread. Typical move :facepalm[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nash]This is a good thread, backed with an OP who uses facts and is willing to take the discussion with people who disagree. Then we have the real trolls, or spammers, who come in here and act as if OP is the troll and ask for a perfectly good thread with good discussion material to be closed.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
Part of the reason they resort to personal attacks instead of counterarguments is because everything I say is based on facts and they simply have no other alternative.
I was disappointed by the threads deletion, but luckily someone else corrected that persons mistake. :cheers:
[QUOTE=Nash]You're still at it, huh? Everything Lebron does is bad and so are the people who enjoy his game.[/QUOTE]
How am I anti-Lebron?
Difference between Lebron and Jordan?
2 < 6
Lebron = 2 for 4
Jordan = 6 for 6
Tony Montana owning this thread.:applause:
Get real people of this forum, LeBron James is simply a better player than Jordan ever was.
[QUOTE=sportjames23]Difference between Lebron and Jordan?
2 < 6
Lebron = 2 for 4
Jordan = 6 for 6[/QUOTE]
So according to you, Jordan losing in the first round is better than LeBron losing in the Finals because it doesn't go against his Finals record.
:oldlol:
When this is the logic going through my oppositions head I already know I won.
[QUOTE=Dionysus]Tony Montana owning this thread.:applause:
Get real people of this forum, LeBron James is simply a better player than Jordan ever was.[/QUOTE]
Don't derail the thread:no:
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Here is the difference between LeBron and Jordan.
When Jordans Bulls lack interior defenders and rebounders, they become pretenders(As evidenced by Shaq/Horace shitting on them in 1995 when they had no great interior defenders/rebounders).
When LeBrons Heat lack interior defenders and rebounders, LeBron gets his ass in the post and starts getting 10+ boards and guarding David Wests. Because of LeBrons superior physical abilities he is more versatile and able to effect the game in more ways.
As it stands now LeBron is the only perimeter superstar in NBA History to win with a frontcourt that gets abused on a nightyly basis.
Don't even get me started on who is more valuable to their teams. :oldlol:
1993 Bulls with Jordan: [B]57-25[/B]
1994 Bulls w/o Jordan: [B]55-27[/B]
2010 Cavs with LeBron: [B]61-21[/B]
2011 Cavs w/o LeBron: [B]19- 63[/B]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Jordan only had to be his teams go to scorer....LeBron has to be his teams go to scorer ON TOP of main playmaker/ball handler, top rebounder, top perimeter defender, top post defender. You name it and LeBron is the best on the Heat at it. And hes still racking up rings. :oldlol:
[IMG]http://oi40.tinypic.com/2yoa150.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Very interesting. But youre not looking at this objectively.
Ill grant that James is more versatile than Jordan on the defensive side of the ball. However, Jordan is just as vsrsitle on offense. And there are many areas on offense where James game is raw. He post game sucks. Jordan is considered by many to be the best non big post player ever. James midrange jumper is suspect at best. Again, Jordan is arguably the best midrange shooter as well.
I also feel Jordan is a better team player than James. Both Bosh and Wade have been forced to suppress their talents for James to thrive. Jordan adjusted his game in an effort to allow his teammates to thrive.
And while its true James has accomplished more than James at the same age, Its also true Jordan has never been credited with his team failing like James in 2011. Jordan has also never had a championship as bad as James in 07. Jordan has never lost as a favorite as well.
I also see you neglected Jordan's 84 gold medal. As well as the Bronze medal our US team had to settle for in 04 due to James inability to be like Jordan. Why?
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]So according to you, Jordan losing in the first round is better than LeBron losing in the Finals because it doesn't go against his Finals record.
:oldlol:
When this is the logic going through my oppositions head I already know I won.[/QUOTE]
I think people are ready to let this go. Are you?
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]
1993 Bulls with Jordan: [B]57-25[/B]
1994 Bulls w/o Jordan: [B]55-27[/B]
2010 Cavs with LeBron: [B]61-21[/B]
2011 Cavs w/o LeBron: [B]19- 63[/B]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[/QUOTE]
Most telling stat ever.
LeBron has to do it all and is far more valuable than Jordan ever was.
Only thing MJ had to do (like Kobe) is shotjack and take all the glory, while Pippen gaurded the teams best opposing player (see finals vs Magic Johnson), Rodman and company played interior defense and rebounded for the team. I swear, without the Nike push and kids buying shoes, he wouldn't even be considered the Greatest.
We are currently watching the greatest in LeBron "King" James, can I get a witness!
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]Don't derail the thread:no:[/QUOTE]
How? By stating a realistic truth? Blow me wanker.
[QUOTE=Dionysus]Most telling stat ever.
LeBron has to do it all and is far more valuable than Jordan ever was.
Only thing MJ had to do (like Kobe) is shotjack and take all the glory, while Pippen gaurded the teams best opposing player (see finals vs Magic Johnson), Rodman and company played interior defense and rebounded for the team. I swear, without the Nike push and kids buying shoes, he wouldn't even be considered the Greatest.
We are currently watching the greatest in LeBron "King" James, can I get a witness![/QUOTE]
Then explain how the Heat can win 47 games in 10, then get James AND CHRIS BOSH and only improve to 58. The Bulls went from 55 wins in 94, got Jordan back along with Rodman and won 72 win
The difference is that Jordan is 6 for 6 in the finals. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Very interesting. But youre not looking at this objectively.
Ill grant that James is more versatile than Jordan on the defensive side of the ball. However, Jordan is just as vsrsitle on offense. And there are many areas on offense where James game is raw. He post game sucks. Jordan is considered by many to be the best non big post player ever. James midrange jumper is suspect at best. Again, Jordan is arguably the best midrange shooter as well.
I also feel Jordan is a better team player than James. Both Bosh and Wade have been forced to suppress their talents for James to thrive. Jordan adjusted his game in an effort to allow his teammates to thrive.
And while its true James has accomplished more than James at the same age, Its also true Jordan has never been credited with his team failing like James in 2011. Jordan has also never had a championship as bad as James in 07. Jordan has never lost as a favorite as well.
I also see you neglected Jordan's 84 gold medal. As well as the Bronze medal our US team had to settle for in 04 due to James inability to be like Jordan. Why?[/QUOTE]
Scoring is the one area I will give to Jordan. He is the best scorer in NBA History at 30 PPG 50% shooting in the modern era. However versatality is overrated. It's all about production and I don't care how it comes, but as long as it comes. I'll take a dunk every play if I can get it.
When you compare Jordans scoring output(30 PPG on 50% shooting) to LeBrons (28 PPG on 49% shooting) they are closer than one would think. LeBrons size advantage(which translates to better rebounding and defensive ability) and the ability to make the game easier for guys more than makes up for Jordans 2 PPG and 1% shooting advantage.
Jordan is definitely not a better team player than LeBron. When he retired(the first time) BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, and Scottie Pippen all had career years and went on to make the all-star team. Nothing he does on the court makes the game easier for guys compared to a guy like LeBron. LeBron has the best vision and passing of a guy his size since Magic Johnson. All the veteran shooters want to come to Miami because they know their going to get open looks.
And finally guys enjoy playing with LeBron. Thats not true with Jordan. The dude was a prick and although respected by his teammates I bet a lot hated him as well. Pippen, Jordans most acclaimed teammate has gone on air multiple times saying LeBron is better. That tells you something.
The success for the Bulls goes to team personnel. The team was stacked and built to dominate. Is there any question Miami wouldn't be a better team if a 6'3 declining guard with no range in Wade is switched with Pippen(for his entire prime), a 6'8 swingman who is probably the best nonbig defender in NBA History on top of being a 20 PPG scorer. How about if Bosh, a piss poor rebounder and one on one defender is switched with a guy like Rodman, who ensures his team wins the rebounding battle every night?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Then explain how the Heat can win 47 games in 10, then get James AND CHRIS BOSH and only improve to 58.[/QUOTE]
Because the Heat only had two starters from the team that won 47 games, and one of them was Carlos Arroyo.
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Nothing he does on the court makes the game easier for guys compared to a guy like LeBron[/QUOTE]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)
Tony, this thread is golden. You made sensible points backed by facts, and even though some of the points you made were a bit out of some people comfort zone's, no one can call it trolling, just that you came to a different conclusion than them.
I have gained respect for you, hope to see more of this in the future. :applause:
P.S: I think 2014 LeBron will have a chance at surpassing 1992 Jordan(GOAT) in terms of individual play. But i think 2013 LeBron, even though he at times showed that he could play at a GOAT level, wasn't consistent enough a shooter.
This season is where we will see if LeBron can put it all together and have a "peak/summit" year where his skill-set and athleticism are at their best balance, and he just dominates consistently.
[QUOTE=Young X]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)[/QUOTE]
Wade and Chris Bosh had their most efficient seasons this year, playing with a Prime LeBron. So stop that right there...
[QUOTE=Young X]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)[/QUOTE]
1994 Pippen: 22.0 PPG 8.7 RPG 5.6 APG 49.0% shooting
How is that not Pippens best year(the one year of his prime without Jordan).
Wade was fine in 2011 when he was still elite. Problem with him is he has just declined, nothing to do with LeBron. LeBron had one year of prime Wade as opposed to Jordan having Pippen in his best years and for nearly an entire decade.
Bosh put up big numbers as the focal point on a bad team, not impressed. In 2006 Mike James averaged 20 PPG on the Raptors team along with Bosh who put up 22.5 PPG and 9.2 RPG. That team went 27-55.
[QUOTE=Suguru101]Tony, this thread is golden. You made sensible points backed by facts, and even though some of the points you made were a bit out of some people comfort zone's, no one can call it trolling, just that you came to a different conclusion than them.
I have gained respect for you, hope to see more of this in the future. :applause:
P.S: I think 2014 LeBron will have a chance at surpassing 1992 Jordan(GOAT) in terms of individual play. But i think 2013 LeBron, even though he at times showed that he could play at a GOAT level, wasn't consistent enough a shooter.
This season is where we will see if LeBron can put it all together and have a "peak/summit" year where his skill-set and athleticism are at their best balance, and he just dominates consistently.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
Yawn.
Mods why is this thread still open? :wtf:
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Scoring is the one area I will give to Jordan. He is the best scorer in NBA History at 30 PPG 50% shooting in the modern era. However versatality is overrated. It's all about production and I don't care how it comes, but as long as it comes. I'll take a dunk every play if I can get it.
[B]Its no more overrated than implying James is a better better due to defensive versatility. If the only thing that matters is impact, then fine, Jordan was a great defender. Youre contradicting yourself bro[/B]
When you compare Jordans scoring output(30 PPG on 50% shooting) to LeBrons (28 PPG on 49% shooting) they are closer than one would think. LeBrons size advantage(which translates to better rebounding and defensive ability) and the ability to make the game easier for guys more than makes up for Jordans 2 PPG and 1% shooting advantage.
[B]Thast not what the stats say. Check the stats of Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Wade and Bosh. With James and the previous season. [/B]
Jordan is definitely not a better team player than LeBron. When he retired(the first time) BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, and Scottie Pippen all had career years and went on to make the all-star team. Nothing he does on the court makes the game easier for guys compared to a guy like LeBron. LeBron has the best vision and passing of a guy his size since Magic Johnson. All the veteran shooters want to come to Miami because they know their going to get open looks.
[B]Why dont you look at the 91 finals again. How many wide open jumpers did John Paxson get thanks to Jordan drawing his man away from him. And again who has James helped? Every player has had to sacrifice their game for James. Jordan changed his game for the good of the team[/B]
And finally guys enjoy playing with LeBron. Thats not true with Jordan. The dude was a prick and although respected by his teammates I bet a lot hated him as well. Pippen, Jordans most acclaimed teammate has gone on air multiple times saying LeBron is better. That tells you something.
The success for the Bulls goes to team personnel. The team was stacked and built to dominate. Is there any question Miami wouldn't be a better team if a 6'3 declining guard with no range in Wade is switched with Pippen(for his entire prime), a 6'8 swingman who is probably the best nonbig defender in NBA History on top of being a 20 PPG scorer. How about if Bosh, a piss poor rebounder and one on one defender is switched with a guy like Rodman, who ensures his team wins the rebounding battle every night?[/QUOTE]
So how does is this a blemish on Jordans career? Unlike James, his team won and won at a rate no team has ever been able to match. Even if you feel the Heat arent as stacked. That team HAD NOOOOOOO business losing to the Mavericks.
They had NOOOOOOOOOOO business coughing up that fourth quarter lead with 8 minutes to go. Jordan and his teams have never done that.
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]1994 Pippen: 22.0 PPG 8.7 RPG 5.6 APG 49.0% shooting[/QUOTE]1994 Pippen: 22/9/6 on 49%/54 TS%
1992 Pippen: 21/8/7 on 51%/56 TS%
Then in the playoffs...
1994: 23/8/5 on 43%/52 TS%
1992: 20/9/7 on 47%/54 TS%
:confusedshrug:
This just proves my point, Pippen's efficiency dropped without Jordan. His FG%, eFG%, TS%, ORTG, APG all dropped playing without Jordan. Less open shots, more defensive pressure. He along with Kukoc, Woolridge, Grant, Paxson, etc. all had their most efficient seasons with Jordan.
[QUOTE=sportjames23]Difference between Lebron and Jordan?
2 < 6
Lebron = 2 for 4
Jordan = 6 for 6[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
First post in this thread was an attempt to insult the OP with an unfunny "did not read" post. You think he would live up to that post but what does he do? He proceeds to post in it with a point that has been beaten to death and diffused and backing it up with no substance.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you your typical Jordan stan
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]Interesting point you make about Jordan's Bulls getting dominated by the Shaq/Grant frontcourt.
If the Heat took 7 games to beat a West/Hibbert front court, how do you think they'd go against a trio of Penny/Grant/Shaq :roll:
dickhead[/QUOTE]
Exactly :applause:
The bigmen in Jordan's time: Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Karl Malone
Bigmen today: Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah :roll: :roll: :roll:
Of course you don't need a great defensive bigman when there is absolutely no bigman who can score more than 20 points other than Dwightbadfootwork Howard
[QUOTE]Because the Heat only had two starters from the team that won 47 games, and one of them was Carlos Arroyo.[/QUOTE]
But youre biggest argument for James is his ability to win on his own. Again, youre contradicting yourself.
[QUOTE=Segatti]Exactly :applause:
The bigmen in Jordan's time: Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Karl Malone
Bigmen today: Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah :roll: :roll: :roll:
Of course you don't need a great defensive bigman when there is absolutely no bigman who can score more than 20 points other than Dwightbadfootwork Howard[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]
[I]Its no more overrated than implying James is a better better due to defensive versatility. If the only thing that matters is impact, then fine, Jordan was a great defender. Youre contradicting yourself bro[/I]
[I]"Thast not what the stats say. Check the stats of Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Wade and Bosh. With James and the previous season. "[/I]
[I]
Why dont you look at the 91 finals again. How many wide open jumpers did John Paxson get thanks to Jordan drawing his man away from him. And again who has James helped? Every player has had to sacrifice their game for James. Jordan changed his game for the good of the team[/I]
[/QUOTE]
Defensive versatility helps the team no matter what since LeBron is capable of guarding anyone at any position at a high level(aside from 7 footers). Jordan didn't possess the ability to guard bigs or even points like LeBron can. If his team didn't have the personnel to deal with that(scottie and dennis) they'd be in trouble. Luckily he never ran into this issue.
Players put up less stats in lesser roles....all of which those players were in with LeBron.
LeBron is a better passer and facilitator than Jordan....dont see how your going to argue this. Jordan looks for his shot first, the only one he makes better is himself. LeBron on the other hand looks for his teammates shot first. And he still puts up nearly as many points as Jordan despite that.
[QUOTE=Young X]1994 Pippen: 22/9/6 on 49%/54 TS%
1992 Pippen: 21/8/7 on 51%/56 TS%
Then in the playoffs...
1994: 23/8/5 on 43%/52 TS%
1992: 20/9/7 on 47%/54 TS%
:confusedshrug:
This just proves my point, Pippen's efficiency dropped without Jordan. His FG%, eFG%, TS%, ORTG, APG all dropped playing without Jordan. Less open shots, more defensive pressure. He along with Kukoc, Woolridge, Grant, Paxson, etc. all had their most efficient seasons with Jordan.[/QUOTE]
If we are looking at strictly shooting percentages, both Wade and Bosh posted career highs in their field goal percentages this past year so this isn't going anywhere.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]But youre biggest argument for James is his ability to win on his own. Again, youre contradicting yourself.[/QUOTE]
How is that contradicting? Look up what the word means.
The fact is you put current LeBron on ANY team in the league regardless of their roster and their a contender. Thats part of why the Decision was so hyped. Very few players in the history of the league can change a franchise like LeBron.
You will never see prime LeBron lose in the first round regardless of who is on his team.
Bulls
94: 55-27
95: 47-35
96: 72-10
97: 69-13
98: 62-20
Miami prior to Lebron
47-35
Miami post Lebron
58-24
46-20
66-16
I don't even know why Tony Montana brought up the Cavs. That team was in full tank mode in 2011 so obviously they weren't going to be a competitive.
The more Tony Montana posts in this thread the more you realize he never saw Jordan play other than some youtube highlights
LeBron is a better player than Jordan ever was.
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]If we are looking at strictly shooting percentages, both Wade and Bosh posted career highs in their field goal percentages this past year so this isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]That and assists are all we should be looking at. WTF does rebounding have to do with Jordan not making life easier for his teammates offensively? Numerous players have benefited from Lebron AND Jordan drawing attention away from them and getting them easy shots - the shooting %'s and efficiency support that.
You need to understand that Jordan wasn't just a scorer, he was just as much of an all around player that Lebron is. He has like 4 seasons averaging 6+ assists, averaged 6-7 rebounds for his whole career, etc.
[QUOTE=Young X]That and assists are all we should be looking at. WTF does rebounding have to do with Jordan not making life easier for his teammates offensively? Numerous players have benefited from Lebron AND Jordan drawing attention away from them and getting them easy shots - the shooting %'s and efficiency support that.
You need to understand that Jordan wasn't just a scorer, he was just as much of an all around player that Lebron is. [B]He has like 4 seasons averaging 6+ assists,[/B] averaged 6-7 rebounds for his whole career, etc.[/QUOTE]In a system (triangle) that assists are hard to come by
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Defensive versatility helps the team no matter what since LeBron is capable of guarding anyone at any position at a high level(aside from 7 footers). Jordan didn't possess the ability to guard bigs or even points like LeBron can. If his team didn't have the personnel to deal with that(scottie and dennis) they'd be in trouble. Luckily he never ran into this issue.
[B]Then why didnt he stop Jason Terry? And mind you, this after Terry stated James couldnt stop him.[/B]
Players put up less stats in lesser roles....all of which those players were in with LeBron.
[B]Ok. But these players games have had to change. Bosh has been relegated to being jumpshooter almost exclusively. What has James had to sacrifice? [/B]
LeBron is a better passer and facilitator than Jordan....dont see how your going to argue this. Jordan looks for his shot first, the only one he makes better is himself. LeBron on the other hand looks for his teammates shot first. And he still puts up nearly as many points as Jordan despite that.
[B]Jordan did the same thing as James. Remember the year he avg 32/8/8? [/B]
If we are looking at strictly shooting percentages, both Wade and Bosh posted career highs in their field goal percentages this past year so this isn't going anywhere.
[B]OK, but were not. As a whole, James teammates game has to suffer because he dominates the ball. [/B]
How is that contradicting? Look up what the word means.
[B][/B]
The fact is you put current LeBron on ANY team in the league regardless of their roster and their a contender. Thats part of why the Decision was so hyped. Very few players in the history of the league can change a franchise like LeBron.
[B]Semantic Tony. [/B]
You will never see prime LeBron lose in the first round regardless of who is on his team.[/QUOTE]
And we NEVER saw Jordan lose to team his team was favored against
Advantage Jordan.
jordan fans/stans vs. lebron fans/stans. the good thing about the jordan folks is that they don't circle jerk each other.
jordan is labeled goat not only because of his stats, achievements, and awards; but because of what he actually did on the court. watch the games - it's not rocket science. he doesn't flop. he doesn't disappear when his team is down and then reappear when they're up. he didn't jump ship and play alongside zeke and joe. you can split hairs any way you want to, but the big picture says otherwise.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Bulls
94: 55-27
95: 47-35
96: 72-10
97: 69-13
98: 62-20
Miami prior to Lebron
47-35
Miami post Lebron
58-24
46-20
66-16
I don't even know why Tony Montana brought up the Cavs. That team was in full tank mode in 2011 so obviously they weren't going to be a competitive.[/QUOTE]
Even if you look at the 95 season. The Bulls were winning roughly 53% of their games. When Jordan shows up they jump to 76%
Anybody with half a brain cell and actual basketball experience will tell you that the game was different back then. MJ didn't grab more rebounds because he couldn't, it was because his role was different due to the era he played in.
The era he played in was more big man dominated. The role for playing in the paint was primarily a big man's role where they lived. Unlike today in which big men play in the perimeter, they played in the paint which was tougher and grimier.
MJ also had to spend more energy that Bron does today. Not only did he have to fight multiple double/triple teams, physical play on offense, he also had to fight through multiple screens on defense, his man running all over the court. On the flip side, today's NBA is more stationary, more one on one, less physical so Bron doesn't have to use as much energy physically.
And then there's the most obvious reason as to why MJ didn't grab more rebounds, a reason so obvious a 10 year old will see it as such:
DIFFERENT POSITION
MJ's role is to guard the other wing players so defensively he's already further from the rim. He also has to chase down perimeter players and get position, they're also the first to get down the court and as a perimeter player he's supposed to protect until the bigs get down court.
Bron plays the point FORWARD position. And even tho his game is versatile he eventually has to guard players closer to the basket.
Yet, there's another reason why Bron has more rebounds
I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.
[QUOTE=SpurrDurr]I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.[/QUOTE]
the 91-93 bulls were STACKED?
[QUOTE=SpurrDurr]I know OP is trolling but so are MJ stans. People gotta admit that MJ Bulls were STACKED.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying the Bulls werent. Or Im not. But the Heat are stacked too.
What funny is how TonyMontana continues to spout how LeBron James won these last two championships on his own. Even in spite of his team. But then claims he didnt win in 11 due to not having better teammates. What gives? You cant give him all the credit when hiz team wins. Then place all the blame on his team when they lose.
tony :applause:
he really is a good poster. he honestly knows a lot about bball.