[QUOTE=Heavincent]Come on...[/QUOTE]
Take a look;
Howard/Terry/Stackhouse/Harris/Damp/Diop/George/Croshere
Davis/Jackson/Richardson/Barnes/Ellis/Harrington/Pietrus/Biedrins
We gonna sit here and act like that is some scrub team?
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[QUOTE=Heavincent]Come on...[/QUOTE]
Take a look;
Howard/Terry/Stackhouse/Harris/Damp/Diop/George/Croshere
Davis/Jackson/Richardson/Barnes/Ellis/Harrington/Pietrus/Biedrins
We gonna sit here and act like that is some scrub team?
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Come on...[/QUOTE]
Seriously ...
Agenda exposed much?
I thought record determined how good a team was? At least that's his argument for why the Bulls are just so talented.
The very next series that team got smacked by the Jazz.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Do you even english?
:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm :wtf:
Reg. Season + Playoffs tell you who the real MVP was:
Kobe - 2010
Duncan - 2007
Wade - 2006
Duncan - 2005
MJ - 1997
Hakeem - 1995
MJ - 1993
MJ - 1990
MJ - 1989
2011 is a complete toss up for both reg and post season play to me. People made decent cases at different times. Why is Rose MVP so undervalued?
[QUOTE=toooo]:facepalm :wtf:[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you're joking
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Please tell me you're joking[/QUOTE]
You even think, maybe they don't might Blake shooting jumpers?
MVP is a regular season award, and Dirk was unreal in the regular season.
[QUOTE=toooo]You even think, maybe they don't might Blake shooting jumpers?[/QUOTE]
Lol. You're right. :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Reg. Season + Playoffs tell you who the real MVP was:
Kobe - 2010
Duncan - 2007
Wade - 2006
Duncan - 2005
MJ - 1997
Hakeem - 1995
MJ - 1993
MJ - 1990
MJ - 1989
2011 is a complete toss up for both reg and post season play to me. People made decent cases at different times. Why is Rose MVP so undervalued?[/QUOTE]
2011 is absolutely not a toss up factoring in regular season and playoffs. Dirk would be the clear cut MVP. Dirk's regular season is so under-rated. His team went 55-18 with him on the floor and put up 23/7/3 on 61% TS. Rose put up 25/8/4 on 55% TS in the regular season. Those stat lines are about as close as you can get. Dirk's team success was right in line with Rose's when healthy as well.
Then you get the clear cut best player in the playoffs putting up 28/8/3 on 61% TS and winning the title.
And you call that a toss up? GTFO...
according to ish, if you are under 6'3" you will never deserve an mvp award.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]according to ish, if you are under 6'3" you will never deserve an mvp award.[/QUOTE]
Fuq is dis fake Asian niqqa talkin bout?
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]according to ish, if you are under 6'3" you will never deserve an mvp award.[/QUOTE]
or maybe tall people just tend to be better at basketball.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Seriously ...
Agenda exposed much?
I thought record determined how good a team was? At least that's his argument for why the Bulls are just so talented.
The very next series that team got smacked by the Jazz.[/QUOTE]
I've never said record determines how good a team is. This is a big flaw with how many people evaluate teams. They use a flawed regular season record as a means to either prop up or diminish certain things. Those 07 Mavs could have easily won 55 games (12 less than they actually did)...and nobody would have thought twice about it.
But Dirk played unreal throughout and they over-achieved hugely in the regular season...and then his great play is used against him claiming he had a 67 win team by his side.
I've never said that about Rose. I've never referenced his 62 wins and used it against him like that.
The same thing happened with Lebron in 09 and 10...his team had great regular season success and it skewed how good those teams actually were.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]or maybe tall people just tend to be better at basketball.[/QUOTE]
It's good to see people that get it.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]It's good to see people that get it.[/QUOTE]
If were gonna keep grading on a curve to excuse shorter people for not being as good as taller people, I'm gonna start penalizing fast people for being faster than slower people.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Take a look;
Howard/Terry/Stackhouse/Harris/Damp/Diop/George/Croshere
Davis/Jackson/Richardson/Barnes/Ellis/Harrington/Pietrus/Biedrins
We gonna sit here and act like that is some scrub team?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but that's not some juggernaut team. There's a reason we never heard from them again. Certainly a team the MVP should be able to handle.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]If were gonna keep grading on a curve to excuse shorter people for not being as good as taller people, I'm gonna start penalizing fast people for being faster than slower people.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I used to debate game winning shot stuff with Kobe fans all the time. Finally when the numbers came out...they conceded Dirk was better, but said it wasn't a fair comparison because Dirk is taller and can get better shots.
I literally pissed my pants...
This shit never ceases to amaze me.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Exactly. I used to debate game winning shot stuff with Kobe fans all the time. Finally when the numbers came out...they conceded Dirk was better, but said it wasn't a fair comparison because Dirk is taller and can get better shots.
I literally pissed my pants...
This shit never ceases to amaze me.[/QUOTE]
Stop lying....No one ever conceded shit. And Dirk being a 7 foot PF should definitely take consideration in FG% stats. Most big men have high fg%.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]I'm sorry, but that's not some juggernaut team. There's a reason we never heard from them again. Certainly a team the MVP should be able to handle.[/QUOTE]
Did I say they were great? No. I said they weren't some run of the mill 8 seed. Hell, half their team was injured all year and they still won 42 games.
I've never said anything other than the Mavs weren't as good as their record and the Warriors were clearly better.
Baron/Richardson/Jackson/Harrington all went significant time not on the court
For example...the team went 36-27 with Baron on the court...
It's just a one off series. A team that was much better than their 42-40 record vs a team worse than their 67-15 record...with the Warriors happening to play a style that was a nightmare for the Mavs. Avery panicked and went small to try and match the Warriors and it killed us. We could talk forever about that series, but like I said before...You know you're an all time great when a 20/11/2 series is thought of like this.
That is how you really know greatness. When you play like ass....you get killed. You know how I know Parker isn't really an elite top 5 player like people claimed, besides just watching...nobody gave a **** that he was terrible in the finals.
[QUOTE=branslowski]Stop lying....No one ever conceded shit. And Dirk being a 7 foot PF should definitely take consideration in FG% stats. Most big men have high fg%.[/QUOTE]
No one conceded? Dirk is objectively better at game winning shots than Kobe...especially in the playoffs.
It's a fact. There is no debate.
Do we have to go over simple math again?
[QUOTE=DMAVS41] We could talk forever about that series, but like I said before...You know you're an all time great when a 20/11/2 series is thought of like this.
[/QUOTE]
You're conveniently leaving out the fact that he shot 38%.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]No one conceded? Dirk is objectively better at game winning shots than Kobe...especially in the playoffs.
It's a fact. There is no debate.
Do we have to go over simple math again?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: No one cares about ur "last 23.2 sec while game it tied blah blah" fg% numbers stat nerd. Rose 100% gw shots this season, Melo 0%, I'm still takin Melo.
Dirk is irrelevant truthfully. Poll the world on who'd you rather take the last shot between Kobe and Dirk, Kobe wins 80%-20% and I'm being gracious. We watch games, while u search numbers for games u never even watched and try to change history.
Kobe>>Dirk for clutch. Dirk is only relevant when he's discussed by you here and drunk fans in Dallas.
N!gga won't be remembered like Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, and Duncan....One title ass n!gga.
Don't even mention Dirk and Kobe in the same breath again bruh.:oldlol:
Now continue ur Rose hate....Or go waste ur time Stat nerdin punchin arbitrary circumstance numbers in trying to prove Dirk>>>Kobe. You delusional birth mistake.
[QUOTE=branslowski][B]Dirk is irrelevant truthfully. [/B]Poll the world on who'd you rather take the last shot between Kobe and Dirk, Kobe wins 80%-20% and I'm being gracious. We watch games, while u search numbers for games u never even watched and try to change history.
Kobe>>Dirk for clutch. Dirk is only relevant when he's discussed by you here and drunk fans in Dallas.
N!gga won't be remembered like Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, and Duncan....One title ass n!gga.
Don't even mention Dirk and Kobe in the same breath again bruh.:oldlol:
Now continue ur Rose hate....Or go waste ur time Stat nerdin punchin arbitrary circumstance numbers in trying to prove Dirk>>>Kobe. You delusional birth mistake.[/QUOTE]
:no: why you gotta be like that
Dirk's 2011 playoff run was legendary though.
[QUOTE=branslowski]....One title ass n!gga.
[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]No it wasn't, overrated as shit. It was pretty good. If you've been watching dice pre 2010 no one would say this shit. Legendary? Lol my god.[/QUOTE]
Nah you have to admit the shit he was doing in the clutch throughout that playoff run was unreal. I don't even know what his stats were, but I remember watching him and being in awe.
Dirk being overrated again. Surprise surprise!! :lol
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Dirk's 2011 playoff run was legendary though.[/QUOTE]
It was good. Especially the shots he hit vs Thunder. But the Finals?? If you gonna shoot 41% u gotta score more than 26ppg, u gotta be a playmaker on offense, da loca 2 assist per game, along with 0 impact on Defense. Mavs won as a team...And thats Dirk only important thing he ever did? Not impressed.
Especially when u dominate regular season, get MVP, and get bitched by a 8th seed no defense team....and before that? Choke away a 2-0 Finals lead and lose the series 4-2.
Good player, one of the best offensive PF's ever, but not as elite as DMavs41 tryna power Ranger transform him into.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]It's legendary but you name no particular moments haha, awesome indeed but sure as phuck not legendary. From that run I remember Barrea balling out his midget Puerto Rican mind, Jason Terry torching fools, including LeBron in the Finals. And Kidd and Marion locking up Bron and calling him a beech on national tv.[/QUOTE]
Dirk hitting the game winner in game 2 to cap off the 4th quarter comeback?
But I guess my favorite moment from that series was Terry splashing a 3 in Lebron's face [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXjHOELwMkE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXjHOELwMkE[/URL]
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Dirk's 2011 playoff run was legendary though.[/QUOTE]
Great? Yes. But certainly not legendary with such a mediocre Finals performance.
[QUOTE=branslowski]It was good. Especially the shots he hit vs Thunder. But the Finals?? If you gonna shoot 41% u gotta score more than 26ppg, u gotta be a playmaker on offense, da loca 2 assist per game, along with 0 impact on Defense. Mavs won as a team...And thats Dirk only important thing he ever did? Not impressed.
Especially when u dominate regular season, get MVP, and get bitched by a 8th seed no defense team....and before that? Choke away a 2-0 Finals lead and lose the series 4-2.
Good player, one of the best offensive PF's ever, but not as elite as DMavs41 tryna power Ranger transform him into.[/QUOTE]
The 0 impact on defense has to stop.
0 impact defensively is reserved for players like Kobe and Rose...players that actually hurt their teams defense. Kobe's teams get better on defense virtually every year when he's not in the game.
Yep...you know you're one of the best ever when 26/10/2 on 42/38/98 and dominant 4th qtr and clutch play gets the line:
"not impressed at all"
One player/team to beat the Heat so far? Dirk and the Mavs...
Dirk vs Kobe in playoffs? Dirk never lost a game...
Yep...you mad...still...years later
What you think of Kobe's 04 finals brah? You gonna average 23/3/4...you gotta shoot better than 38% from the field and 17% from the 3 point line. You gotta rebound or do some playmaking as a guard. That shit weak brah...not even trolling.
23/3/4 as the favorite and you shoot 38 and 17? And you lose in 5 with Shaq? And the Goat coach? Not a good look. And that ***** supposed to be top 10 all time? Not impressed.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
0 impact defensively is reserved for players like Kobe and Rose...players that actually hurt their teams defense. Kobe's teams get better on defense virtually every year when he's not in the game.
[/QUOTE]
You're a clown.
I don't want to bash Rose in anyway for his performance during the 2011 season, it was great.
However, I will always until the day I die believe that Dwight Howard deserved the MVP award above Rose and LeBron.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]You're a clown.[/QUOTE]
Facts are facts.
Kobe's teams usually get worse on defense with him on the floor. Bitch gambles and misses assignments consistently.
Last time that ***** made a positive impact on defense...he was rocking the fro.
Why so angry :oldlol:
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Facts are facts.
Kobe's teams usually get worse on defense with him on the floor. Bitch gambles and misses assignments consistently.
Last time that ***** made a positive impact on defense...he was rocking the fro.[/QUOTE]
:roll: 9 Time All-Defensive First Teams, Fact. Your a joke and you try too hard. Kobe's defense is factually far ans ahead of Dirks. Nice try dumbass.
[QUOTE=branslowski]:roll: 9 Time All-Defensive First Teams, Fact. Your a joke and you try too hard. Kobe's defense is factually far ans ahead of Dirks. Nice try dumbass.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's defense is better than Dirks, yes.
Kobe getting 9 Defensive team selections is a joke, yes.
I thought Kobe stans didn't care about regular season awards anyway.
"Who cares LeBron has 3 more MVPs than Kobe, 5 > 2"
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=branslowski]:roll: 9 Time All-Defensive First Teams, Fact. Your a joke and you try too hard. Kobe's defense is factually far ans ahead of Dirks. Nice try dumbass.[/QUOTE]
The opinions of others aren't facts.
You need to learn what a fact is. Don't they teach about opinions and facts at Wal-Mart?
I see people already covered the more recent right answers (Rose, Nash, Iverson, and anyone beating out Jordan in the 90's) among all the other mindless posts. Carry on.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Facts are facts.
Kobe's teams usually get worse on defense with him on the floor. Bitch gambles and misses assignments consistently.
Last time that ***** made a positive impact on defense...he was rocking the fro.[/QUOTE]
Like I said...clown. Do you even watch the games, or do you just read box scores? You'd fit in perfectly with those idiot ESPN basketball writers like Hoolinger and Abbott who just pull meaningless advanced metrics out of their asses.
Treating basketball like it's a ****ing math equation. What a joke :facepalm