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[QUOTE=cos88]this is why the bulls will not win a ring in our lifetime. idiotic fans and poor managment[/QUOTE]
Our lifetime? I've seen them win 6 in 8 years. Yes, their management sucks, and is cheap. Our fans are extremely loyal, but often are delusional. But so are most fan bases of anything.
[QUOTE=Dresta]This would make Minnesota a much better team. Shows the unreliable nature of stats tbh.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ this forum is ****ing retarded. This hipster moron is proof.
[QUOTE=RRR3]More than Kobe.[/QUOTE]
this !
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]If you were an owner and need to hire a worker, do you look at the person's resume for the past 5 years or do you look at what they did last year? What has K-mart done in the last 5 years to deserve to be in a position that Wade is in?
If you hire K-mart, you know he's a role player capable of hitting shots. If you hire D-Wade, you're hiring a proven winner who makes game changing plays. You're kidding yourself if you think the Heat would trade Wade for Martin straight up this year or even for the next 3 years. They would even have second thoughts of trading Ray Allen for him straight up right now. It's not even about stats half the time. 13 games in and Kevin Martin is averaging 23 points. He'll end up averaging 19/2/4 on 43% shooting and no defense. Good player and good fit on the T-Wolves, but he'll never have the same impact that Wade has in the locker room or on the hardwood.
Btw, Wade made like $3 million in his first championship year. He was underpaid then. Now being overpaid based on performance just evens things out. He deserves every penny because the Heat agreed to pay him. The only time I'll knock a player for his money is if he doesn't try anymore and is careless about winning. You can call him overpaid, but he's definitely earned it. If Wade is at the end of his contract and is asking for $20 mil, it'll be a different story.[/QUOTE]
Never did I say trade for Kevin Martin...I compared them based on salary and production, and please don't use past years resume as credit. This isn't an office position where it's mainly intelligence and calculated/educated risk factors making sound decisions, which only gets increasingly better with experience. This is a sport where the timeline of a players peak is limited, in DWade's case, cut short by injury and his style of play.
Two very, very different, scenarios :no:
As for him earning it, that's exactly what needs to be looked at...what is he doing to earn it? What does paying him more than $8 mil a year do to your franchise, much less the $20mil option? Hamper it as Wade will be underperforming and hurt more than he plays like he's being paid to do.
From Wades view, he surely wants that $20mil...but just as Miami took the chance on him, he has give a little if he stands by his loyalty words. Restructure your 5th yr and ensure your TEAM continues to compete for the Finals over the years. If he's selfish and takes the option next year, I personally don't resign him fir more than the vet minimum bcuz he preferred selfishness over overall greatness.
I'm cut throat on my views...as good as Wade WAS, it doesn't mean shit going forward if he can't contribute to the betterment of the organization, goes for every player too not just DWade.
Big salary, fair amount of miles on him. They won't get back value to the point that there's no reason to trade him because he's still going to be better than anything they get in return
[QUOTE=GrapeApe]Wade's value is obviously greater with the Heat than any other team. It would be impossible for the Heat to get equal value in a trade, but hypothetically he still has great value to any [B]championship contender[/B]. He's a proven winner and big game performer who makes impact plays and can take over games.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, depends on the team.
[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Jesus christ this forum is ****ing retarded. This hipster moron is proof.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but how would having Wade and Bosh not make Min a better team than having Love and Martin? They are 7-6 for christ's sake.
'hipster'?
What the **** are you babbling about you cretinous piece of shit?
[QUOTE=Dresta]Sorry, but how would having Wade and Bosh not make Min a better team than having Love and Martin? They are 7-6 for christ's sake.
'hipster'?
What the **** are you babbling about you cretinous piece of shit?[/QUOTE]
BRB Chris Bosh's 19/5 he'll average>26/14/4 stats are 4 f@gs worse numbers by far>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BRB D-Wade being old and constantly injured averaging 16/5/5 will REALLY help them a lot. Much more than K-Mart's 24/4/3 and 47% from 3.
BRB stats mean nothing K-Love is a 2nd option empty stat monster. No stats matter, only defense has impact. Rebounding, scoring, passing, shooting 3's, NO impact. ONLY DEFENSE.
[QUOTE=atljonesbro]BRB Chris Bosh's 19/5 he'll average>26/14/4 stats are 4 f@gs worse numbers by far>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BRB D-Wade being old and constantly injured averaging 16/5/5 will REALLY help them a lot. Much more than K-Mart's 24/4/3 and 47% from 3.
BRB stats mean nothing K-Love is a 2nd option empty stat monster. No stats matter, only defense has impact. Rebounding, scoring, passing, shooting 3's, NO impact. ONLY DEFENSE.[/QUOTE]
Different circumstances, different teams. Bosh is playing 28mpg, and shooting 58%, but taking less than 10 shots.
Wade is cruising because health in the playoffs is the obvious priority, and this Heat team is very deep and winning comfortably without him (and without Bosh and Lebron playing in the 4th at all the last 3 games).
What is hard to understand about this? Why do morons like you only see stats and no context?
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Wade has no value. He is terrible. He is a non-difference maker. Heat don't miss a beat without him and he isn't going to make any bad teams relevant.
People will still try and hype Wade up, but once you propose a trade to their team you will see that they wouldn't be willing to give up anyone but bad contracts and scrubs. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=r15mohd]he has 2 choices come next summer...force his 5th year and hamper the team with the $20mil option for the 2014-2015 season, or restructure his deal to play out the rest of his career in Miami and make about 6-8 mil over the next 3-4 years.
teams are going to basically match that, he's not really worth much more as it stands...is he gonna sacrifice his "Wade County" love for a couple mil over the contract years elsewhere? :confusedshrug:
you're a Wade follower, so of course you'd believe he's worth more...I'm a Miami Heat fan, and reality is he's not! We can do so much better by letting him walk next summer and signing reliable tallent...I'm all for that option because I want titles and don't care about a players loyalty or what have you. But again this "Wade County" love the locals preach with somehow trumps future solid attempts at titles, so I give Wade a benefit and offer him 6-8 mil over the remaining years of his career to stay in Miami. Take it or leave it[/QUOTE]
You must not really be a Miami fan, if you think the Heat or Riley are going to offer "6-8 mil" to Wade. When he's playing, he's still a 20/5/5 player. Joel Anthony is making $4M this season. Wade is worth a LOT more than that.
[QUOTE=aj1987]You must not really be a Miami fan, if you think the Heat or Riley are going to offer "6-8 mil" to Wade. When he's playing, he's still a 20/5/5 player. Joel Anthony is making $4M this season. Wade is worth a LOT more than that.[/QUOTE]
He's clearly a Lebron fan.
[QUOTE=cos88]this is why the bulls will not win a ring in our lifetime. idiotic fans and poor managment[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=aj1987]You must not really be a Miami fan, if you think the Heat or Riley are going to offer "6-8 mil" to Wade. When he's playing, he's still a 20/5/5 player. Joel Anthony is making $4M this season. Wade is worth a LOT more than that.[/QUOTE]
i'm a Miami Heat fan, not a player fan...as you are. again you'll side with him making more because you're a Wade fan, and that's fine. he's declining (rather quickly), whether you accept it or not.
from a business aspect and ongoing title contention point of view, he's not worth it to me (definitely not over $8 mil a season). I'd rather grab some young and healthy mediocre-to-good SG, many are available this upcoming summer, and pay them that $8mil if Wade isn't on board with, and again I say, the TEAM's direction. Goal is to win titles, a hampering/declining Wade isn't reliable as he once was...at least not to where the Heat need that option to continue these runs.
for me, this is his last stint proving himself, he has to show up or it's basically the end of the line for him. These 1 in every 10 games spurts he has isn't cutting it anymore to say he's "worth it".
you don't have to like my view, but business is business...all I care about are parade's on Biscayne, players loyalty and past stints with the team mean very little if it isn't benefiting the organization today.
[QUOTE=Dresta]He's clearly a Lebron fan.[/QUOTE]
right! so bcuz I lay out some reality, I'm a Lebron stan
very typical responses you both have when someone disagrees with you. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=r15mohd]i'm a Miami Heat fan, not a player fan...as you are. again you'll side with him making more because you're a Wade fan, and that's fine. he's declining (rather quickly), whether you accept it or not.
from a business aspect and ongoing title contention point of view, he's not worth it to me (definitely not over $8 mil a season). I'd rather grab some young and healthy mediocre-to-good SG, many are available this upcoming summer, and pay them that $8mil if Wade isn't on board with, and again I say, the TEAM's direction. Goal is to win titles, a hampering/declining Wade isn't reliable as he once was...at least not to where the Heat need that option to continue these runs.
for me, this is his last stint proving himself, he has to show up or it's basically the end of the line for him. These 1 in every 10 games spurts he has isn't cutting it anymore to say he's "worth it".
you don't have to like my view, but business is business...all I care about are parade's on Biscayne, players loyalty and past stints with the team mean very little if it isn't benefiting the organization today.
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For being a Miami "fan", you must've missed a good part of the season last year and the 2012 playoffs. Wade sucked during the first three rounds, but he did step up during the Finals. Once again, stop lying to yourself. You're not a Heat fan.
I am a huge Wade fan, but I'm also a fan of the team and I know how each player is performing. Wade is definitely worth more than 6-8. Even if I'm not a Heat fan and just a Wade stan, why would I want him to make more money? I's not like I'm getting a part of it.
FYI, Wade averaged 23/5.7/5.3/2/1 on 53% over a 41 game stretch last season.
He got injured during the end of the streak and hence he was trash during the first three rounds. He's definitely declining, but $6M for a 20/5/5 player? If those are your standards, Lebron should not be making more than $12M-$15M. Joel, Udonis, and Chalmers should be traded away (they're making $4M each).
The reason why he's not playing much this year is because we (Heat fans) need him for the playoffs.
[QUOTE=aj1987]For being a Miami "fan", you must've missed a good part of the season last year and the 2012 playoffs. Wade sucked during the first three rounds, but he did step up during the Finals. Once again, stop lying to yourself. You're not a Heat fan.
I am a huge Wade fan, but I'm also a fan of the team and I know how each player is performing. Wade is definitely worth more than 6-8. Even if I'm not a Heat fan and just a Wade stan, why would I want him to make more money? I's not like I'm getting a part of it.
FYI, Wade averaged 23/5.7/5.3/2/1 on 53% over a 41 game stretch last season.
He got injured during the end of the streak and hence he was trash during the first three rounds. He's definitely declining, but $6M for a 20/5/5 player? If those are your standards, Lebron should not be making more than $12M-$15M. Joel, Udonis, and Chalmers should be traded away (they're making $4M each).
The reason why he's not playing much this year is because we (Heat fans) need him for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
I'm not lying to myself...calling it as it is, I'm all about the organization first. Never tie emotion into the decision, that's where it goes wrong...and that's why all you can resort to is rebuttalling with "I'm not a true Heat fan" :facepalm
Wade is not serviceable for a full season, you clearly agree, yet you expect to pay him as he is (even more because he is declining?) You bring up stats over a 41-game stretch, arbitrary because it supports you paying him out his "worth". His agent will probably do the same thing too if the Heat try to restructure. What about the remainder of the season and his declining...it's showing more and more as time goes by...it's unfortunate for him because when he is on, he's great but that's few and far between for the team to rely on.
Don't get me wrong, understand your side completely but it is a business in the end and Wade can provide to the Heat squad when HEALTHY, but that isn't coming at the $20 mil a season he's scheduled to get and playing 40-games for the year, with the rest injured or needing rest. It's too risky and not beneficial for a downward sloping player from the organization's perspective, we can get more for the same figures or even less from another SG available this summer.
In the end, Wade will have no choice but to restructure...as much as he wants that $20 mil, Riley won't give it to him. If the Heat miss opportunities at the title, he'll be blamed for holding the organization at his will with the contract and inability to sign other players to fill his non-existence while he's injured (let's hope it doesn't come to this). Only deserving players of the option is Bosh and Lebron, they're in the grind day in/out for the team and should be rewarded for it...immmensely!
Lol @ thinking Wade's is going to forego a 20 Million dollar option. Get real.
Wade has more value to the Heat than he would have for any other team, which is why he should stay there.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Wade has more value to the Heat than he would have for any other team, which is why he should stay there.[/QUOTE]
he does benefit the Heat to a degree, but the strain is still left on Lebron mostly as Wade is missing majority of the time. Bosh is Bosh, consistent as always...but Lebron has to pick up his slack and hope the fillers Allen/Battier and now Beasley can continue to do this for Wade
as for the Heat's value...this is because he cant handle playing a regular season + playoffs in any given year for another team as the #1 option, his body just won't allow him to anymore.
again it's unfortunate, but that is the reality of DWade
[QUOTE=r15mohd]I'm not lying to myself...calling it as it is, I'm all about the organization first. Never tie emotion into the decision, that's where it goes wrong...and that's why all you can resort to is rebuttalling with "I'm not a true Heat fan" :facepalm
Wade is not serviceable for a full season, you clearly agree, yet you expect to pay him as he is (even more because he is declining?) You bring up stats over a 41-game stretch, arbitrary because it supports you paying him out his "worth". His agent will probably do the same thing too if the Heat try to restructure. What about the remainder of the season and his declining...it's showing more and more as time goes by...it's unfortunate for him because when he is on, he's great but that's few and far between for the team to rely on.
Don't get me wrong, understand your side completely but it is a business in the end and Wade can provide to the Heat squad when HEALTHY, but that isn't coming at the $20 mil a season he's scheduled to get and playing 40-games for the year, with the rest injured or needing rest. It's too risky and not beneficial for a downward sloping player from the organization's perspective, we can get more for the same figures or even less from another SG available this summer.
In the end, Wade will have no choice but to restructure...as much as he wants that $20 mil, Riley won't give it to him. If the Heat miss opportunities at the title, he'll be blamed for holding the organization at his will with the contract and inability to sign other players to fill his non-existence while he's injured (let's hope it doesn't come to this). Only deserving players of the option is Bosh and Lebron, they're in the grind day in/out for the team and should be rewarded for it...immmensely![/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he deserves $20M, but he definitely is worth more than $6M-$8M. I can see him signing a 4 year 45-50 deal.
Wade is still a good player come playoff time.
There is nobody I would rather watch play ball than Dwyane Wade...
Go Heat!
[QUOTE=Andrei89]Wade is still a good player come playoff time.
There is nobody I would rather watch play ball than Dwyane Wade...
Go Heat![/QUOTE]
yes, that 2-3 games during the playoffs are very exciting! :D
[QUOTE=aj1987]I'm not saying he deserves $20M, but he definitely is worth more than $6M-$8M. I can see him signing a 4 year 45-50 deal.[/QUOTE]
Wade has 2 more years after this year on his current deal. He'll be 34 when he hits FA in 2016. It'd be crazy to give him a 4 year deal at that age. Give him a Manu Ginobilli or Boston Celtics offer to Ray Allen like deal at best, 2 years, $15-$16 million.
It's no real gain for him to opt out of the remaining 2 years, he's due another $40 million on his current deal, don't think he'd be happy making that same amount in 4 years instead of 2.
Kendrick Perkins
he would be a great addition to contender team, maybe some 1st round pick + filler
but if this team: thunder, clippers, pacers, bulls get him, it would over for the heat
[QUOTE=r15mohd]
right! so bcuz I lay out some reality, I'm a Lebron stan
very typical responses you both have when someone disagrees with you. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Just the rubbish you are coming out with is the sort of thing i would expect from someone who only started watching the Heat during the big-3 era.
[QUOTE=Dresta]Just the rubbish you are coming out with is the sort of thing i would expect from someone who only started watching the Heat during the big-3 era.[/QUOTE]
I've been in south FL a lot longer than most people's age on here, can def tell you that much :D but really I've only been a Heat fan since the Mourning/Hardaway days, and surely solidified with the year Wade was drafted as I followed him in college somewhat.
ironic that I hate on Wade and his lack of play today, though I was a big supporter of his in the past but never the less, he's gonna have to show me something to change my mind in gifting him money he doesn't deserve :rant
[QUOTE=VIntageNOvel]he would be a great addition to contender team, maybe some 1st round pick + filler
but if this team: thunder, clippers, pacers, bulls get him, it would over for the heat[/QUOTE]
would gladly work out a deal with some contending teams on this...
clippers-riddick and 1st rounder
pacers-stephenson and 1st rounder
bulls-butler and 1st rounder
thunder-thabo and 1st rounder
we come out just as good, if not better every time
10+ teams would happily throw 4/80 or more at Wade next year. JJ got it at 30 coming off 18/3/3. Also Bosh opts out and looks for a 5/100 extension easy. Anyone thinking those two take 10 so Bron can extend for the full max is delusional.
43 years old, & a heat fan since 1988.
The hate on wade couse of last years playoffs is absurd. Especially when he was tearing it up during that record breaking stretch. Obviously if someone is injured with knee problems they won't play up 2 expectations. anyone who thinks different is hating, or has a mental disorder.
+ the only thing that counts to these guys is winning another ring, not who has the best stats in the regular season. or who does anything in the regular season. all that is just icing on the cake. The only thing that is important to is winning championship, after championship, after championship.
& at this point Wades offense is not even needed with the Heat as a team shooting .522, while the next team HOU is at .483.
We all know that the coaching staff said he wouldn't be ready till late DEC, so to expect anything else would be silly.
The Heats offense is so good that Bosh, & Bron don't even need to play as many min cause of players like Ray, Lewis, Beasley, Bird, Chalmers, & Cole have been scoring at an extraordinary efficiency.
Then think that Oden has not even stepped on the floor yet.
Its all about being healthy for the playoffs, & the rest is only a really, really long preseason for them.
Wade has looked very good this year, particularly his midrange jumper and activity level. Take away the Charlotte game in which he barely played he's putting up around 18/6/5/3/1 on 50%. Everyone knew he'd be on a maintenence program for much of the season. Again, his value to the Heat is extremely high due to the strength of their roster. Most teams wouldn't have the luxury of resting him like the Heat can.
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]
I believe his priority is to get healthy this year and show he can play at a high level for the next 3 years. It'll be easy for him to average 18/5/5 on 50% for the next 3 years with leadership intangibles.[/QUOTE]
I know that it's been said, but Wade is greatly benefiting by playing with LeBron James. I don't think it would be very easy for Wade to average 18/5/5 on 50% if he was on another team. Or are you saying if he stays in Miami he would average that?
If that is the case, never mind :rockon: