November 2013 Derrick Rose knee injury is meniscus tear to right knee, needs surgery

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Yeah because that's what I was worrying about:facepalm[/QUOTE]
When they showed the Bulls winning percentage without Rose playing I laughed thinking, "I wish the Cavs could have that winning percentage period." It was like a 58% winning percentage when he didn't play. And over 70% when he did play.

That's what I thought it was when I saw it last night. Some people were saying torn ACL but no way. It reminded me of when Roy got hurt. He wasn't on the ground in pain by you could see it was painful to run. The good news is Rose will be back. I hope the repair it rather than remove a part of the cartilage. The repair takes longer to recover from but his knee will keep that cushion.

[QUOTE=Leftimage]From wiki:

[I]Studies have also shown with increasing time between ACL injury and ACL reconstruction, there is an increasing chance of meniscus tears. This study showed meniscus tears occurring at a rate of 50-70% depending on how long after the ACL injury the surgery occurred.[/I][/QUOTE]

He injured the other knee, not sure if this applies.

He should recover and come back as a spot up shooter. j/k

His confidence will be shattered when he comes back, will probably be afraid to play his old/old style.

[QUOTE=Haymaker]He injured the other knee, not sure if this applies.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know it was the other knee :eek: :eek:

Wonder if that makes it worse or better ? In either case Rose has a tough road ahead.

The MVP will be out for the season a third straight time. Wow.

so this is basically better than expected but still bad?

well time for the Bulls to blow it up.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Out of everything that is happening with this and the reactions. I wonder what is going through Rose's mind right now?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]That's an outpatient scope procedure. You walk out of the facility when you're done. Should only take a few months for recovery.

The bad news, is that he appears to have unstable knees and will likely never be the same.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I mean, that's still serious in the sense of an injury, but it's not serious like that last one was. I wonder what will happen to him as a player.

I feel it's a failure overall for the training staff. Why did he come in so much heavier? That's stupid.

How could they let him injure the other one? I mean, I know it's not entirely their fault, but it still feels like a failure on the part of the medical staff to put him in this position. It seems pretty obvious that it was due to him (and this is not trolling lol) actually having problems with muscle memory.

That's why I think people are stupid for laughing at him for saying his muscle memory wasn't ready when, really, because of the injury he had to learn how to walk, run, and jump again. Even if it was the same way he did before (which it was likely not), he had to get the confidence. Injuring his other leg on a play like that where it was an awkward step makes it seem like he wasn't ready or was compensating wrong in his movements and putting himself at risk often.

It's been such a short time since he's been back. I don't think even if he recovers physically enough to play well that he'll ever be the same simply because now he will have to learn how to do all of that shit AGAIN and not have a good leg to favor. Or, you know, maybe it'll balance out and he'll get over it.

Who knows.

-Smak

[QUOTE=Leftimage]I didn't know it was the other knee :eek: :eek:

Wonder if that makes it worse or better ? In either case Rose has a tough road ahead.[/QUOTE]
Better and worse I guess? On one side, he didn't do further damage to his "weaker" knee, on the other he has two bum knees

[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yeah, I mean, that's still serious in the sense of an injury, but it's not serious like that last one was. I wonder what will happen to him as a player.

I feel it's a failure overall for the training staff. Why did he come in so much heavier? That's stupid.

How could they let him injure the other one? I mean, I know it's not entirely their fault, but it still feels like a failure on the part of the medical staff to put him in this position. It seems pretty obvious that it was due to him (and this is not trolling lol) actually having problems with muscle memory.

That's why I think people are stupid for laughing at him for saying his muscle memory wasn't ready when, really, because of the injury he had to learn how to walk, run, and jump again. Even if it was the same way he did before (which it was likely not), he had to get the confidence. Injuring his other leg on a play like that where it was an awkward step makes it seem like he wasn't ready or was compensating wrong in his movements and putting himself at risk often.

It's been such a short time since he's been back. I don't think even if he recovers physically enough to play well that he'll ever be the same simply because now he will have to learn how to do all of that shit AGAIN and not have a good leg to favor. Or, you know, maybe it'll balance out and he'll get over it.

Who knows.

-Smak[/QUOTE]


why do u always write ur name after the post. u entitled or something?

Do you think he was overcompensating on his other knee to not put so much pressure on his injured one? Or it could have just been a freak accident...

Can't imagine what he's thinking right now, two busted knees and the season really only just started...

I saw it coming. He was landing on his front [right] foot when coming down from jumpshots and probably favoring that right leg in more ways than meet the eye.

[QUOTE=wlee43]why do u always write ur name after the post. u entitled or something?[/QUOTE]
He's a respected poster and it's always been his style.

This is bad. It's looking like another one of these guys who never really gets back due to injuries piling up.

[QUOTE=DuMa]no time table set until after surgery but im guessing 2 months. but in Rose's case he might not want to risk it again and sit out for the entire year again. Westbrook tore his meniscus most recently and didnt play again for 6 months but he also had the offseason to work that in with. He wasnt pressured to come back when he was ready to play.

Torn meniscus you can play on but theres a certain pain tolerance you can live with and how badly it can swell after games. Metta played 2 weeks after having surgery on his torn meniscus. Granted, Metta is dumb[/QUOTE]

This might make him want to take the opposite approach. I mean, no one is saying that this would've been more likely to happen had he came back earlier. Unless that's the case, he maybe thinking to himself that he might not want to waste anymore opportunities playing basketball and possibly winning a title, which is kinda what he did last year. Might make him realize that these risks are going to be there regardless.

[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yeah, I mean, that's still serious in the sense of an injury, but it's not serious like that last one was. I wonder what will happen to him as a player.

I feel it's a failure overall for the training staff. Why did he come in so much heavier? That's stupid.

How could they let him injure the other one? I mean, I know it's not entirely their fault, but it still feels like a failure on the part of the medical staff to put him in this position. It seems pretty obvious that it was due to him (and this is not trolling lol) actually having problems with muscle memory.

That's why I think people are stupid for laughing at him for saying his muscle memory wasn't ready when, really, because of the injury he had to learn how to walk, run, and jump again. Even if it was the same way he did before (which it was likely not), he had to get the confidence. Injuring his other leg on a play like that where it was an awkward step makes it seem like he wasn't ready or was compensating wrong in his movements and putting himself at risk often.

It's been such a short time since he's been back. I don't think even if he recovers physically enough to play well that he'll ever be the same simply because now he will have to learn how to do all of that shit AGAIN and not have a good leg to favor. Or, you know, maybe it'll balance out and he'll get over it.

Who knows.

-Smak[/QUOTE]

Doesn't have to have anything to do with his long recovery. He could easily have unstable joints and loose connective tissue. A meniscus tear isn't a big deal but I'm sure this isn't the last of his joint injuries.

Diagnosis shouldn't be that surprising. Outside of a separation or dislocation that's about the only thing that would prevent him from being able to walk.

I think Derrick Rose will go down as the biggest "What ifs" in Sports history.

Hope I am wrong though, hope he returns soon and stays healthy.

Look at DW the PhD. :sleeping

[QUOTE=brantonli][url]http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2013/10/2/4794108/sherman-interview-dr-david-geier-russell-westbrook-meniscus-injury[/url]

Westbrook tore his meniscus too, but he came back in amazingly quick time (5 months recovery), so basically it looks like Rose will be out until March if he follows the Westbrook schedule. also don't forget, westbrook was supposed to [B]come back in mid-December,[/B] not 5 games into the season like what he actually did. So I reckon that Rose may be out of the entire season again.[/QUOTE]

i thought this setback was due to an infection, or some complications from the surgery, not the torn meniscus itself

It sucks, but the reality is that Rose has been very injury prone since his MVP season. Even before the ACL tear, he was dealing with nagging injuries for most of that season. Worst part is that he doesn't really have any way to compensate for any explosiveness he loses. He will probably have to completely change the way he plays.

This is good news, right? Westbrook and Griffin both came back strong after Meniscus tears. Better than an ACL right?

when he comes back wouldnt he now put pressure on his left knee because of this injury? it seems that his knees are imbalanced and hard to fix that now

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]This is good news, right? Westbrook and Griffin both came back strong after Meniscus tears. Better than an ACL right?[/QUOTE]

One of the silver linings too is that it was a tear on his other knee rather the both injuries on the same knee.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Look at DW the PhD. :sleeping[/QUOTE]

ACL reconstruction left knee
ACL reconstruction right knee
MCL slipped and torn left knee
Sublexation of right knee cap
Separated left knee
Torn MCL left knee
Torn PCL right knee

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[QUOTE=DuMa]well time for the Bulls to blow it up.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that idea is they will be hampered by Rose's now immovable contract, as no one is trading for him right now. The supporting cast is good enough to make the playoffs, may as well sell tickets as a playoff team for a few years. Trade for a scoring guard to do a poor imitation (welcome back Nate?) and give the fans a team they can support.

I don't think a Thibodeau-led team would tank properly anyhow, the man won't stop coaching defense.

Damn, he just can't catch a break.
I feel sorry for Drose and bulls fans. Stay strong!

With regards to westbrook.. did he not have a second surgery, because the doctors fcked up his initial procedure ? I remember Stephen a smith talking about it.

So if it were his first injury, maybe he could come back earlier that Russel. But after two major injuries like that in a short time span I can see Drose taking longer than russ.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The problem with that idea is they will be hampered by Rose's now immovable contract, as no one is trading for him right now. The supporting cast is good enough to make the playoffs, may as well sell tickets as a playoff team for a few years. Trade for a scoring guard to do a poor imitation (welcome back Nate?) and give the fans a team they can support.

I don't think a Thibodeau-led team would tank properly anyhow, the man won't stop coaching defense.[/QUOTE]
We still got an amnesty clause.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]ACL reconstruction left knee
ACL reconstruction right knee
MCL slipped and torn left knee
Sublexation of right knee cap
Separated left knee
Torn MCL left knee
Torn PCL right knee[/QUOTE]
It was a joke. It didn't warrant a defensive reply. :applause:

[QUOTE=Go Getter]I honestly don't think he was the same after the ACL. He could still bounce but a lot of the layups he had didn't have that spring to them and we didn't get to see him take off with two feet and sky like he did pre-[/QUOTE]
He really wasn't the same physically. He tried convincing us and probably himself he could actually jump higher but that clearly wasn't the case. No two footed explosions at the rim for dunks, or acrobatic layups. He made for his previous athletic standards very pedestrian plays.

Even his quickness wasn't totally where it used to be. He used to blow by any and everyone in a blink of an eye. He struggled many times to blow by people in the dramatic fashion he used to ... I saw the need for a lot of pick and rolls that he used to not need.

Oh well, blow the roster up. Rebuild, ship Deng, Boozer out. Hell get rid of Thibs. He doesn't understand player management on their bodies, and slowly building up a team with different gears by playoff time. The guy is sometimes too determined to win meaningless building block games in pointless months of the season. He can't see the forest beyond the trees. He's a defensive coach that's it.

[QUOTE=Leftimage]From wiki:

[I]Studies have also shown with increasing time between ACL injury and ACL reconstruction, there is an increasing chance of meniscus tears. This study showed meniscus tears occurring at a rate of 50-70% depending on how long after the ACL injury the surgery occurred.[/I][/QUOTE]

wow. that's f*cked up.

He better get it repaired and not removed. Snipping the meniscus is a shorter recovery which is what CP3 and Artest did, but losing your cartilage is bad long term. Stitching it together is a much longer recovery process but you're better off long term.

Damn, do I feel sorry for DRose right now. One of the most down to earth guys in the NBA so it's terrible to see him becoming injured non-stop these past couple years. He won't ever be the same after this surgery along with the ACL on the other. And strangely enough, Brandon Roy is trending on Twitter since the news of Rose's injury came out. All this for nothing...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8yTscgOnw[/url]

Hard to believe he'll ever be the same after this, I can't think of any player in history who basically missed two full seasons (and three playoffs) and came back even remotely the same.

As others have said, he's this generation's Penny Hardaway.

Rose should seek the brazilian soccer player Ronaldo for confidence.

Ronaldo ruptured a tendon in his knee and was out for 5 months. Then in his comeback game he played 7 minutes and tore his ACL. He was 15 months out and came back to win the 2002 world cup, including scoring 2 goals against Germany in the finals.

I feel bad for Rose and hope for a speedy recovery. I have torn both my ACL and meniscus in 2011 and one bright side is though a torn meniscus sucks, it is not as bad as a torn ACL and he will have a better chance of coming back close to 100%. And I did not believe when Rose was saying how he got better after the surgery and how he got to have a 44 inch vertical leap because I knew that is not how it works after an ACL reconstruction.

This will shorten his career for sure. Meniscus tear for a PG is deadly considering he just had a ACL tear on his other knee. This will take alot out of his knees comfort as it is basically padding between his bones. Hopefully he take the careful approach and operate to reattach it then removing it. Look what is happening to Dwade's knee!

[QUOTE=Frozen1]Rose should seek the brazilian soccer player Ronaldo for confidence.

Ronaldo ruptured a tendon in his knee and was out for 5 months. Then in his comeback game he played 7 minutes and tore his ACL. He was 15 months out and came back to win the 2002 world cup, including scoring 2 goals against Germany in the finals.[/QUOTE]
You gotta be strong mentally for that. Derrick Rose style of play needs to change dramatically. I can imagine what he is going through. It really sucks to see an athlete down especially someone like D Rose.