Wolves have traded Derrick Williams to Kings for Luc Mbah a Moute

[QUOTE=andremiller07]Can't have everything plus Asik is a good offensive rebounder so that's fine[/QUOTE]
One of the better posts I've read in a while. So funny, but one of those "funny cuz it's true" moments.

[QUOTE=Cermet]Wolves could have gotten more.[/QUOTE]
Kings been getting ass raped in trades since they decided to give Webber up for "flexable pieces" it's about time we got a decent deal for once the way I look at this

Best Case Scenario
He is the SF we are looking for and lives up to 3/4's of the hype coming into th NBA, we get a high draft pick and have a chance to draft Wiggins or Parker, that's great we can move Williams for something decent since he will have 1 year left on his contract....if we don't land a Wiggins or Parker....perfect we still have a capable SF and can draft either a PG (Vasquez is not a starter) or a shot blocker with potential (the Kansas) kid.

Worst Case:
He can't play the 3 and is basically Patrick Patterson @ the 4, we lost two 2nd round draft picks.....................and gave ourselfs a chance of finding a potential gem..


Also the Wolves probably did this to keep Love as well since I'm pretty sure him and LRMAM are good mates from there UCLA days who know's maybe Kevin Love demanded this? Plus they need a elite defender and they want to make the playoffs now they were not using Williams anyway.

The Kings need a shooter to help space the floor.
Steve Novak to Sacramento for Travis Outlaw. Similar contracts.

So Moute becomes the Twolves defender? What happened to Corey Brewer? I thought they should've gotten any of Sacramento's 17 power forwards, they're pretty thin up front.

Luc played most of his career at PF, moran.

wolves need decent spot up shooter. moute is an elite defensive player which in this wolves roster makes sense. couse 85% of the team doesn't give a shit abouut D

[QUOTE=cuad]Luc played most of his career at PF, moran.[/QUOTE]
And is largely meh at it since he's not a great rebounder, or finisher anywhere.

You need a stretch 4 to cover his deficiencies on O. While the Twolves have that, I don't think I want Love shooting jumpshots all day.

They should at least have tried to get Chuck Hayes or Jason Thompson

Trade became official this morning

[QUOTE=insidehoops]Trade became official this morning[/QUOTE]

This is great news for Wolves. Having a solid defender on the court will make a huge difference for their bench which is 90% porous at all times.

Also allows Adleman to rotate Love & Pekovic with some kind of comfort; he's been forced into keeping one or the other of them on the court through the whole game due to Turiaf injury.

Bench looking like Barea/Budinger/Turiaf/ Moute could be real good. I would not be surprised if this helps Alexey Shved as well. If it does not... I predict he will be next to go.

People expecting great things from Wolves based on their starting 5.... they don't understand how bad the bench is. To me this is a season for building them into a powerful team for years forward. I just wish Adleman was staying on but I doubt it. Dude is 67 y.o.

edit ~ downside is.......... D Williams & Cousins are likely to scorch a lot of teams :lol

[QUOTE=cuad]Luc played most of his career at PF, moran.[/QUOTE]

The word is [B]moron[/B], moron.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]This is great news for Wolves. Having a solid defender on the court will make a huge difference for their bench which is 90% porous at all times.

Also allows Adleman to rotate Love & Pekovic with some kind of comfort; he's been forced into keeping one or the other of them on the court through the whole game due to Turiaf injury.

Bench looking like Barea/Budinger/Turiaf/ Moute could be real good. I would not be surprised if this helps Alexey Shved as well. If it does not... I predict he will be next to go.

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Agree with this, what people are missing about Luke as well is that he FITS the Adleman system and he know's how to play with Kevin Love. He's excellent moving off the ball and when left wide open his mid range shot is money. A high IQ, tough player is exactly what the Wolves needed and he can guard all 5 positions. As a interior passer he's not bad at all either.

[QUOTE=chocolatethunder]The word is [B]moron[/B], moron.[/QUOTE]
Is this your first day on the internet?

[QUOTE=moe94]Is this your first day on the internet?[/QUOTE]

from his join date it looks like he went through the rocketsgreatness shambles.

[QUOTE=andremiller07]Agree with this, what people are missing about Luke as well is that he FITS the Adleman system and he know's how to play with Kevin Love. He's excellent moving off the ball and when left wide open his mid range shot is money. A high IQ, tough player is exactly what the Wolves needed and he can guard all 5 positions. As a interior passer he's not bad at all either.[/QUOTE]
With Dante Cunningham & his great minutes man Wolves just started looking lots better

[QUOTE=Fudge]Goodness, LUC MBAH FCKING MOUTE? Presti should've jumped all over this. Could have gave up a combination of Thabeet and Roberson or some shit like that. Dude would've thrived alongside Russ and KD.[/QUOTE]
Luc is a great versatile defender that can rebound. Thabeet and Roberson can give you 10 fouls in 20 mins

[QUOTE=moe94]Is this your first day on the internet?[/QUOTE]


Chocolatethunder is older than both of your parents. The guy is in his late 50's or early 60's.

[QUOTE=bdreason]I don't think he can effectively play the 3. Suspect handles and too slow to defend the quick wing players.[/QUOTE]
which is why I :facepalm @ this trade for the Kings. They give up their best defender, hands down, who can defend 4 positions (arguably all 5?) for a solid scoring odd-sized SF? I thought Malone loved defense? Kings don't need to roll the dice another scorer, as they currently are w/ McLemore. They need defense and rebounding. Jesus f*ck I think I lost faith in D'Alessandro after this. This trade may look good on paper for the Kings, but if you watch them, Prince Luc was one of their most important players. Williams will just be some other player on the roster now as some SF/PF tweener who isn't the elite scorer, spot-up shooter, or shot-blocker they need and cant defend like Prince Luc.

I mean, I wish Williams success obviously. But I just don't see it improving the Kings. Stupid trade for the Kings. Seems great for TWolves. Offload their "bust" and get an elite defender that any Adelman team needs.

And speaking of D'Alessandro, did he just hint here that this wasn't even a basketball move?
[quote]You have to think about we have new things about to come – new arenas, new things...And in the big picture, what is the right fit for the Sacramento Kings? And we’ve (taken) another step in that direction there.[/quote]
[url]http://cowbellkingdom.com/2013/11/26/sacramento-kings-looking-two-steps-ahead-with-trade-for-derrick-williams/[/url]
was this seriously a move just to sell tickets? I don't get it... :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=hawkfan]The Kings need a shooter to help space the floor.
Steve Novak to Sacramento for Travis Outlaw. Similar contracts.[/QUOTE]
This'd be a great deal for the Kings. Outlaw has been surprisingly impressive this season, but yes, Kings need a shooter bad, especially now w/ Thornton benched.

[QUOTE=Dr. Cheesesteak]Williams will just be some other player on the roster now as some SF/PF tweener who isn't the elite scorer, spot-up shooter, or shot-blocker they need and cant defend like Prince Luc.

I mean, I wish Williams success obviously. But I just don't see it improving the Kings. Stupid trade for the Kings. Seems great for TWolves. Offload their "bust" and get an elite defender that any Adelman team needs.
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I look at it a bit different we got a guy who we hope can start @ the 3 and a guy who can do everything Patterson does @ the 4 in one player meaning we probably won't resign Patterson next year and could look to trade him, we also got a guy on a two year deal rather than a 4 year deal and he's a former #2 pick who is not a headcase and has zero injury concerns while Luke did have knee issues and needs time to play which is what we can give him. If Jared Dudley can be solid on D @SF there is zero reason Williams can't plus other than shooting Dudley does not have the skills or athletic ability of Williams either which is why I think he can play SF.

This move further makes me question the Landry signing, I love what LRMAM brang to the team but in our position you have to take low risk, high reward rather than low risk medium reward.

The fact we got a former #2 pick for 2 2nd round draft picks is not bad at all. Apprently we are not done making trades either so maybe this was a deal to offload the surplus PF's we have next.

[QUOTE=andremiller07]I look at it a bit different we got a guy who we hope can start @ the 3 and a guy who can do everything Patterson does @ the 4 in one player meaning we probably won't resign Patterson next year and could look to trade him, we also got a guy on a two year deal rather than a 4 year deal and he's a former #2 pick who is not a headcase and has zero injury concerns while Luke did have knee issues and needs time to play which is what we can give him.

This move further makes me question the Landry signing, I love what LRMAM brang to the team but in our position you have to take low risk, high reward rather than low risk medium reward.

The fact we got a former #2 pick for 2 2nd round draft picks is not bad at all.[/QUOTE]
but Williams cant shoot like 2Pat. Not sure of his rebounding ability (really, I don't know how good of a rebounder Williams is). He's more athletic than 2Pat, but he isn the same shooter.

And I don't care about where they were picked. Imagine this trade:
Hasheem Thabeet for Paul Millsap and Marc Gasol.

That's a #2 overall for 2 2nd rnders.

[QUOTE=Dr. Cheesesteak]which is why I :facepalm @ this trade for the Kings. They give up their best defender, hands down, who can defend 4 positions (arguably all 5?) for a solid scoring odd-sized SF? I thought Malone loved defense? Kings don't need to roll the dice another scorer, as they currently are w/ McLemore. They need defense and rebounding. Jesus f*ck I think I lost faith in D'Alessandro after this. This trade may look good on paper for the Kings, but if you watch them, Prince Luc was one of their most important players. Williams will just be some other player on the roster now as some SF/PF tweener who isn't the elite scorer, spot-up shooter, or shot-blocker they need and cant defend like Prince Luc.

I mean, I wish Williams success obviously. But I just don't see it improving the Kings. Stupid trade for the Kings. Seems great for TWolves. Offload their "bust" and get an elite defender that any Adelman team needs.

And speaking of D'Alessandro, did he just hint here that this wasn't even a basketball move?

[url]http://cowbellkingdom.com/2013/11/26/sacramento-kings-looking-two-steps-ahead-with-trade-for-derrick-williams/[/url]
was this seriously a move just to sell tickets? I don't get it... :confusedshrug:


This'd be a great deal for the Kings. Outlaw has been surprisingly impressive this season, but yes, Kings need a shooter bad, especially now w/ Thornton benched.[/QUOTE]

I can't tell for sure but I think you may be undervaluing Derrick Williams. He's a natural 4 but who is going to start at the 4 over Kevin Love? So Derrick trimmed down quite a few pounds this off-season hoping to play the 3, and he is arguably as talented as Corey Brewer in many ways - it's just that Brewer is [I]a perfect fit[/I] for the Wolves team.

I predict a lot of success for Williams in Sacramento and wish him well. He just didn't fit Adleman's view of a team - - like Martel Webster who is doing fine over in Wizard land, or maybe Beasley (who I still have considerable doubts about). Adleman has specific views about players and if you don't fit those views then you don't play.... namely, play within the offense and don't break out of the scheme.

If Derrick has a weakness, it's his tendency to do exactly that - he races off on his own. When he's on, he plays with a delirious abandon that's absolutely thrilling to watch and he can score in torrents. It's not true as some are saying, that his dribbling skills are weak - the dude can get to the rim in traffic. To me, he just needs the right team.

[QUOTE=Dr. Cheesesteak]but Williams cant shoot like 2Pat. Not sure of his rebounding ability (really, I don't know how good of a rebounder Williams is). He's more athletic than 2Pat, but he isn the same shooter.

And I don't care about where they were picked. Imagine this trade:
Hasheem Thabeet for Paul Millsap and Marc Gasol.

That's a #2 overall for 2 2nd rnders.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough but I still think he's more than worth a look, if he plays the 3 we got crazy athletic ability on the wings with him and Mac and maybe reinsert 2Pat into the starting line up since JT has decided to be awful again giving us shooting and more threats on offense. To me while the defense has sucked the offense has been even worse, we defend ok when everyone plays hard we don't play good offense period.

If players like Dudley, Matt Barnes,PJ Tucker, Earl Clark, Alonzo Gee, Morris bro's can effectively play the 3 there's no question in my mind Williams can, I seen him earlier this year slow down Durrant.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]I can't tell for sure but I think you may be undervaluing Derrick Williams. [/QUOTE]
well, I hope so. Well, I don't think I'm undervaluing his talent, if I'm undervaluing anything it's his fit on the Kings and what they needed. If he can become a definitive #2 scorer for the starters, then I'll call the trade a wash at worst, since that is something they need. But I still think the Kings would've been better served to stick w/ Prince Luc's elite D and continue McLemore's development.

If Williams does become a nice go-to scorer to supplement Cousins, wouldn't that just stunt McLemore's touches and development??

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[QUOTE=andremiller07]we defend ok when everyone plays hard we don't play good offense period.
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yeah, I agree on that. Like I said, I hope Williams can succeed in the scorer role. I especially hope that actually makes a difference for the team.

[QUOTE=Dr. Cheesesteak]well, I hope so. Well, I don't think I'm undervaluing his talent, if I'm undervaluing anything it's his fit on the Kings and what they needed. If he can become a definitive #2 scorer for the starters, then I'll call the trade a wash at worst, since that is something they need. But I still think the Kings would've been better served to stick w/ Prince Luc's elite D and continue McLemore's development.

[B]If Williams does become a nice go-to scorer to supplement Cousins, wouldn't that just stunt McLemore's touches and development??[/B][/QUOTE]

If it does your coach needs to be pole-axed.

[QUOTE=Dr. Cheesesteak]well, I hope so. Well, I don't think I'm undervaluing his talent, if I'm undervaluing anything it's his fit on the Kings and what they needed. If he can become a definitive #2 scorer for the starters, then I'll call the trade a wash at worst, since that is something they need. But I still think the Kings would've been better served to stick w/ Prince Luc's elite D and continue McLemore's development.

[B][U]If Williams does become a nice go-to scorer to supplement Cousins, wouldn't that just stunt McLemore's touches and development[/U][/B]??[/QUOTE]
No in the long run I look at Ben Mac as a elite 3rd option he's not a guy that needs the ball or can create for himself, he's a catch n go player if anything this takes pressure off him allowing him to play more freely. Ben needs players like Cousins, Thomas and Derrick Williams in the game so teams can't focus on him that''s when he will thrive kind of like Ray Allen on the Celtics.

With LRMAM and JT out there he was looked at as the #2 option something he can't do atm and he still looks real nervous out there.

Surely we could have at least got cash or a late round pick for Williams.

I never thought this guy got a fair run with us.

Kings got a steal here.

[QUOTE=B-Easy8]Surely we could have at least got cash or a late round pick for Williams.

I never thought this guy got a fair run with us.

Kings got a steal here.[/QUOTE]

I think there's more to come in Minnesota. They are trying to build a playoff team and Williams isn't part of that, they need powerful defense most of all at this point.

Am I the only one who think's Derrick Williams beard/goatie looks fairly beast?
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2013/1120/dm_131120_nba_truehooptv_1v/dm_131120_nba_truehooptv_1v.jpg[/IMG]

It's not to much like Harden or to long like Salmons it just right imo, if anything regardless of play got to respect that beard.

[QUOTE] If I had to make a prediction, I'd say Derrick Williams is starting at SF Friday. That's what Malone's comments seemed to suggest to me. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Derrick Williams will wear #13 jersey with the Sacramento Kings #NBAKings[/QUOTE]

So looks like they def plan on giving him a good shot @SF which could mean John Salmons be the back up SG with D-Will and Outlaw now being the main SF's.

[QUOTE=andremiller07]So looks like they def plan on giving him a good shot @SF which could mean John Salmons be the back up SG with D-Will and Outlaw now being the main SF's.[/QUOTE]

Man I hope not. I was hoping this would move Salmons to the bench. He hasn't done anything for us and doesn't really care. Even his D has been bad.

PG: Vasquez, Thomas
SG: Ben M, Jimmer
SF: Williams, Outlaw
PF: JT, Patterson
C: DMC, JT, Hamaday

Stuck on bench: Chuck, Salmons, Thorton

Is that wishful thinking?

[QUOTE=Miles and Miles]

Is that wishful thinking?[/QUOTE]
I would say it's common sense rather than wishful thinking, imo once Landry comes back Chuck is all gone in terms of playing time and sadly they are still reluctant to give Jimmer time as the back up.

Dude looked super out there 2night with Mclemore they put on a alley hoop exhibition on the Clippers.

One thing that's really shocked me was his passing/playmaking ability from what I seen in Minny he never really exhibited that, he literally had 3-4 excellent passes, he played the SF and he looks like a handful him being so physically gifted he can literally overpower 95% of SF's and he's got a good first step. Shot looks bit broken but his size/rebounding/passing from the SF spot looked good he looks like a big natural SF to me.

Maybe he just played better than normal but the kid looks good no doubt to me he will help us big time.

He was a great shooter in college, he just needs to get comfortable and find his role in the team. With some consistent minutes he should play great, he did really well for his first game with minimal plays actually drawn up for him.

[QUOTE=andremiller07]Dude looked super out there 2night with Mclemore they put on a alley hoop exhibition on the Clippers.

One thing that's really shocked me was his passing/playmaking ability from what I seen in Minny he never really exhibited that, he literally had 3-4 excellent passes, he played the SF and he looks like a handful him being so physically gifted he can literally overpower 95% of SF's and he's got a good first step. Shot looks bit broken but his size/rebounding/passing from the SF spot looked good he looks like a big natural SF to me.

Maybe he just played better than normal but the kid looks good no doubt to me he will help us big time.[/QUOTE]

As I said before dude is good he just doesn't fit Wolves. His passing is nowhere close to Budinger, nor shooting. He's very streaky but even that may be due merely to limited playing time..... kinda doubt it though, he played a lot last year and that symptom remained. He has weaknesses that will be exposed as you will see over the season but nothing that can't be fixed imo.
Wolves need D, no doubt about that. That is why they are losing games, plain and simple, although Love has stepped his own defense up considerably.