[QUOTE=GOBB]I get busted with marijuana I'm doing 5 years. This scumbag piece of shyt kills 4 people and is free. Must be nice. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:roll: You been to court yet?
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[QUOTE=GOBB]I get busted with marijuana I'm doing 5 years. This scumbag piece of shyt kills 4 people and is free. Must be nice. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:roll: You been to court yet?
[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]The 4 people he killed must have been black or some other minorities[/QUOTE]
the victims were mentioned in the story
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Breanna Mitchell
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Killed: Hollie Boyles, 52, and her daughter, Shelby Boyles, 21, were helping out the driver of a broken down SUV when they were struck and killed by Couch's out-of-control pickup
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Killed: Brian Jennings, 41, was parked on the side of the road when Ethan Couch's pickup truck drove into him and three others
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Sergio Molina remains in a coma
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Soliman Mohmand, right, was seriously injured. They were both riding in Couch's truck when the cash occured
there were 2 minorities injured, both were riding with the white killer couch.
[QUOTE]'Money always seems to keep (Couch) out of trouble,' Eric Boyles, whose wife and daughter were killed in the June 15 crash, told the Star Telegram after sentencing. 'Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If (he) had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different.'
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guys, people aren't getting life sentences for having pot on them...some of you are REALLY exaggerating that
Nate Newton of the Dallas Cowboys:
[QUOTE]On November 4, 2001 police in St. Martin Parish, Louisiana, arrested Newton after he was found to have 213 pounds of marijuana during a traffic stop of Newton's white van.[3] Five weeks later, on December 12, 2001, Newton was again stopped in Texas and was arrested after a search of his vehicle revealed he possessed 175 pounds of marijuana.[4] He was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison for drug trafficking, and has since reportedly gone straight[/QUOTE]
so he got caught with a van full of pot...213 lbs (not exactly a dime bag)...and did NO TIME...THEN 5 weeks later got caught doing the same thing (while on probation I assume) and did 30 months.
basically you have to be a big team supplier of pot and get caught multiple times to do just a couple years...
[QUOTE=ace23]:roll: You been to court yet?[/QUOTE]
Huh? Make sense when you reply to me.
[QUOTE=GOBB]Huh? Make sense when you reply to me.[/QUOTE]
Haha, idiot.
You should have added an "if" to that first sentence. You made it sound like you were about to do time.
But I'm the one not making sense.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]guys, people aren't getting life sentences for having pot on them...some of you are REALLY exaggerating that
Nate Newton of the Dallas Cowboys:
so he got caught with a van full of pot...213 lbs (not exactly a dime bag)...and did NO TIME...THEN 5 weeks later got caught doing the same thing (while on probation I assume) and did 30 months.
basically you have to be a big team supplier of pot and get caught multiple times to do just a couple years...[/QUOTE]
Just stop, bro.
[QUOTE=ace23]Haha, idiot.
You should have added an "if" to that first sentence. You made it sound like you were about to do time.
But I'm the one not making sense.[/QUOTE]
Huh? You're really a dumb individual because you lack common sense. No one else questioned my post over the lack of "if" but you "Ace". I cant stand kids like you. Swear they are smart but dumb as a doorknob
[QUOTE=GOBB]Huh? You're really a dumb individual because you lack common sense. No one else questioned my post over the lack of "if" but you "Ace". I cant stand kids like you. Swear they are smart but dumb as a doorknob[/QUOTE]
When the hell have I claimed to be smart?
Calm down, mailman. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ace23]When the hell have I claimed to be smart?
Calm down, mailman. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You're just proving my point. And you're too stupid to realize it. The only person you're outsmarting here is yourself sadly. I don't have to put "if" for someone to understand my post/point. Yet you couldn't. Go figure dumbass
Oh look, mailman joke. Punchline? When you reach 25 you're no longer on your mothers health insurance. Then what are you going to do? Come on smarty pants. "I'll google it or ask ISH".
[QUOTE=GOBB]You're just proving my point. And you're too stupid to realize it. The only person you're outsmarting here is yourself sadly. I don't have to put "if" for someone to understand my post/point. Yet you couldn't. Go figure dumbass
Oh look, mailman joke. Punchline? When you reach 25 you're no longer on your mothers health insurance. Then what are you going to do? Come on smarty pants. "I'll google it or ask ISH".[/QUOTE]
:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.
I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.
[QUOTE=ace23]:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.
I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.[/QUOTE]
if your rich can you buy me something. like an ish friends present?
[QUOTE=ace23]:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.
[B]I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.[/B][/QUOTE]
Are you studying finance?
Or are you refering to your rapping?
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Are you studying finance?
Or are you refering to your rapping?[/QUOTE]
No, CS major. Not really trying to work for anyone though.
I'll be on top of the rap game by then, too so sure.
Since the boys parents are being blamed, can the victims families file a civil suit against them?
Or better yet is there a case?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Since the boys parents are being blamed, can the victims families file a civil suit against them?
Or better yet is there a case?[/QUOTE] I think I read there's already been 3 suits filed against the kid.
[QUOTE=gts]I think I read there's already been 3 suits filed against the kid.[/QUOTE]
Against the kid that has no money.
The parents have the money. The car is probably under the parents' name.
At age 16 I believe whoever supplied the booz and valium would be held responsible for the boy's actions, but the booz where stolen, and he likely stole the valium from his rich mother as well...
Judge was definitely paid off.
Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor. This kid killed 4 people and he's gotten off with this shit in the past.
[QUOTE=Loneshot]We should start locking the parents up when these things happen. Your children, your responsibility. Don't want that responsibility, don't have children. This country is soft and off in all the wrong places, while some kid probably the same age as this one is doing just as many years of probation (if not in juvi until he's of legal age to be put in prison) for marijuana position...while walking. GTFOH America.[/QUOTE]
Lock up the parents? Wth
Fck that, lock up the asshole who actually did the killing.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor.[/QUOTE]
Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
Nick Van Exel son got 60 years for killing his friend. In the state of Texas.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis but I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
This guy gets it.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
I would agree that class ultimately trumps race, but the institutions in America live off of the stereotypes defined by race and minorities pay dearly for preconceived notions a lot of times.... Money does play a large role, but so does race ...
money helps is the main factor, but that doesn't always guarantee effective council
FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis b[B]ut I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.[/B][/QUOTE]
I have also seen those stats. I think it is due to the fact that on average whites have higher income and more net worth. being richer allows you to hire more talented defense attorneys. Poor people need to rely on public defenders. If you need to rely on a public defender because you are too poor to hire a defense attorney you are probably going to have a higher chance of getting convicted and get a harsher sentence.
IMO the correlation you described is caused by the wealth disparity for the most part.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.[/QUOTE]
Frankly 10 years is too light a sentence for killing a man for no reason.
Eric Couch imo deserves the death penalty for killing 4 people.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][B]Thats messed up imo he deserves the death penalty
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I feel we are way too reluctant in issuing death sentences in cases like this where guilt is clear.[/QUOTE]
A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.
You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?
The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.
[QUOTE=ROCSteady][B]A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.
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You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?
The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.[/QUOTE]
Notice i said when the subject is clearly guilty. I dont support the death penalty in case where guilt is not 100% clear.
Eg that guy that shot up that theater where batman was playing should get the needle. Because it is 100% clear he did it. Also that younger brother who did the boston bombing should also get the needle imo. That dc sniper and his son should also get it.
In cases where circumstantial evidence is used Eg. some guys wife gets killed and it gets put on his head because the cops cant find another lead and he gets convicted, I dont think the death penalty should be used.
But in cases where it is absolutely clear, with 0% doubt that the person killed someone else, yes they deserve to die.
[QUOTE]You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?[/QUOTE]
Can he resurrect people from the dead?
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[QUOTE]Tragic: Jennings, pictured second from left, was a father of three and a youth minister in Burleson[/QUOTE]
Can he bring back brian jennings? and give his wife and kids back their dad?
Some crimes are unforgivable. Quite frankly imo a guy like eric couch if he were being executed would be getting a more merciful death than he deserves.
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[QUOTE]Killed: Hollie Boyles, 52, and her daughter, Shelby Boyles, 21, were helping out the driver of a broken down SUV when they were struck and killed by Couch's out-of-control pickup
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[QUOTE]'Money always seems to keep (Couch) out of trouble,' Eric Boyles, whose wife and daughter were killed in the June 15 crash, told the Star Telegram after sentencing. 'Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If (he) had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different.'[/QUOTE]
Where is your sympathy for eric boyles?
[QUOTE]advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.[/QUOTE]
lol teenager :rolleyes:
Murderer is more like it. Driving while drunk is a malicious action.
it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo
DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...
When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand
and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance
Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.
Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.
It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo
DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...
When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand
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and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance[/B][/QUOTE]
We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.
16 is old enough to know better. I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.
I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.
[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.
Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.
It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.[/QUOTE]
I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere
Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.
[B]16 is old enough to know better.[/B] I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.
I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.[/QUOTE]
no it isn't...and apparently this kid had the emotional state of a 12 year old too
Just everyone is stupid and clueless at age 16...I honestly wish the age limit to get a drivers licence was raised to 17-18
[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.
Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.
[B]It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
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I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.[/QUOTE]
I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.
I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.
[QUOTE]I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
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The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.
I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.
[QUOTE]What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either.[/QUOTE]
I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.
Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is true. I'm sorry. I shouldn't demonize the state of Texas over this shit because that's not very level-headed. It's just that I have a lot of loved ones in my family that I enjoy visiting often in Texas and some of them have this idea that Texas is the greatest state and extra proud and have this idea of superiority about their Conservative ideals and the 'right' way to govern things.
It's just gets on my nerves the attitude about how sufficient and affective Texas is compared to other states while also doing a lot of terrible things like wrongful execution, etc. I will say that Texas is a great state and it has a strong identity there but the attitude of many Texans is much too arrogant, dismissive and tunnel-visioned for me not to have an issue with the way they prop up their internal dealings while also having a history of having a more savage nature.
[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry if I have given you that impression.
I am actually a very introspective person.
I am more vindictive/less forgiving than you.
All I was saying is I hope eric couch dies, because his actions killed 4 innocent people. I know there wasnt a possibility he would get the death penalty anywhere in America. I was lamenting that fact.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.
I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.
The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.
I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.
I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.
Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.[/QUOTE]
Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.