Dennis Rodman Goes Nuts on CNN about N. Korea

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]If you guys knew jack about North Korea you'd know Rodman, as crazy as it sounds, more or less is the perfect key for the lock.

North Koreans (at least the ones the country tries to showcase as 'ideal' and of high political status) all appear to be emotionally invested and sincere in what they believe, and they are drawn to charisma. Thus, Rodman. They do not respond well to quick witted, sharp tongued American politicians and journalists, heck they do not really believe in free speech and the open right to question or criticize their powers that be. Their dear leader is like a god to them. (Again, I'm talking about the high status North Koreans in power... not the poverty striken majority being controlled, imprisoned, etc)

Rodman, being emotionally driven, is a guy who will respect their passion and sincerity. Rodmans heart can be, and is, in this without ulterior motives. Rodman can truly become 'friends' with people over there. The North Korean political party can pick up on this. Can any other ****tard politician or journalist say that? If that reporter who badgered Rodman tried to put himself in Rodman's shoes and act as a voice of the American people he'd be executed by firing squad at dawn. North Koreans don't tolerate that kind of (as they call it) 'Imperialist Aggressor' attitude.

Now, that's not to say the North Korean's are good guys here. The ones in power treat the ones NOT in power in that country like sh*t. We all know this. However, we'll never get anywhere without force (bad idea) or diplomacy. Rodman appears to be the best key we've ever had to entering their doors, Rodman at this moment, represents our key to diplomacy.[/QUOTE]


Wouldn't say Rodman is the key to diplomacy but you do have a lot of good points about Rodman. Kim Jong Un is a huge 90's Bulls fan and he likes Rodman a lot.

[QUOTE=Solefade]There's not a lot that indicate otherwise.[/QUOTE]


Look, another retard.

The miracle of a dictatorship. Control the media, kill off anyone who disagrees with you or send them off to a prison camp. It's not until everything falls apart that people on the outside realize just how ****ed up things were.

Rodman doesn't have to do crap for Bae, this is a country that has millions of people. 1 basketball player has nothing to do with 1 prisoner.

Its not like Rodman is visiting a guy's house while some dude is tied up in a closet and hes ignoring it. its a country with millions of people and issues that Rodman has nothing to do with

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]You realize that is all fake right? You realize they are afraid of getting sent to camp 22? Have you read any of the stories of NK defectors? (eg. escape from camp 22)

People in NK know how shit their country is. They just have to grin and bear it out of fear. tons of koreans every year run into china illegally. They know their country sucks.

read some the accounts of defectors. they act that way out of fear. North Koreans arent dumber than south koreans. They just live in fear.

Are you trolling? Maybe I misunderstood you, but do you actually believe North Koreans love kim?[/QUOTE]



Everyone should read these books. Definitely some eye-opening, heart-wrenching shit on what life in North Korea is like. Absolutely horrific descriptions of life without any freedom, live under the iron grip of paranoid authoritarianism.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0143122916/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389141553&sr=8-1&keywords=camp+22[/url]


[url]http://www.amazon.com/The-Aquariums-Pyongyang-Years-Korean/dp/0465011047/ref=pd_sim_b_2[/url]

[url]http://www.amazon.com/This-Paradise-North-Korean-Childhood/dp/0349118655/ref=pd_sim_b_1[/url]

[QUOTE=flipogb]Rodman doesn't have to do crap for Bae, this is a country that has millions of people. 1 basketball player has nothing to do with 1 prisoner.

Its not like Rodman[B] is visiting a guy's house while some dude is tied up in a closet and hes ignoring i[/B]t. its a country with millions of people and issues that Rodman has nothing to do with[/QUOTE]



That's exactly what he's doing. His whole public relations deal is an absolute farce when they are basically keeping a falsely imprisoned American there against his will, so basically, **** him and the horse he rode in on, Rodman can stay there and choke on that fat toad's balls for eternity.

[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]Look, another retard.

The miracle of a dictatorship. Control the media, kill off anyone who disagrees with you or send them off to a prison camp. It's not until everything falls apart that people on the outside realize just how ****ed up things were.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry is this documented somewhere?

[QUOTE=Solefade]I'm sorry is this documented somewhere?[/QUOTE]



Documented everywhere, 150,000 to 200,000 in prison labor camps in North Korea, political dissidents, being tortured, mothers executed in front of their children, young and old tortured by lackey's of the regime, a repressive society run by evil men that treat their citizens as animals.


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlF-LdWyV7Q[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBYDE6yWl0I[/url]




Every dissident that escapes states that people live in fear, any sort of disapproval of the regime, no matter how slight, is often greeted with death, being pulled out off your home in the middle of the night and shot dead in the street. Unless you're a member of a small percentage of the government elite, then you live in abject poverty, starvation is the norm, even for those who have the "in", they are often greeted with suspicion and lackey's compete to uncover those who are disloyal. It is a sick, repressed society led by psychopath's who wish to keep society down at their feet. People's every actions being scrutinized, if they do not show sufficient enthusiasm and praise for Dear Leader, they get punished and or killed. Basically, its like Jonestown on a nationwide scale, people being manipulated, tortured and used for an authoritarian agenda.



[QUOTE] Who is Kenneth Bae? And why is he being held by North Korea?

Those are the questions for many following the combative exchange Tuesday between Dennis Rodman and Chris Cuomo on CNN's "New Day," who asked whether the former NBA player was planning to inquire about Bae, a U.S. citizen sentenced to 15 years in a North Korean labor camp.

In response, Rodman, who is in North Korea with a team of fellow former NBA players, suggested the Korean-American had done something wrong, but did not specify what.

"Do you understand what he did in this country?" Rodman asked Cuomo. "No, no, no, you tell me, you tell me. Why is he held captive here in this country, why?"

Here's a look at the case:

Who is Bae?

Born in South Korea, Bae immigrated at age 16 to the United States with parents, his mother told CNN.

The 44-year-old Bae, of Lynwood, Washington, moved to China in 2005. A year later he established "Nations Tour," a China-based tour company that specialized in tours of North Korea, according to his family and freekennow.com, a web site established by friends to promote his release.

Described by his sister, Terri Chung, as a devout Christian, Bae is married and the father of three children.

"Several years ago, Kenneth saw an opportunity that combined his entrepreneurial spirit with his personal convictions as a Christian," the web site said. "He believed in showing compassion to the North Korean people by contributing to their economy in the form of tourism."

Bae had guided at least 15 tour groups, mostly made up of Americans and Canadians, into North Korea at the time of this arrest, his family has said.

What happened?

This much everybody appears to agree on: Bae was on the first day of a five-day tour when he was arrested November 3, 2012, in Rason, an area along the northeastern coast of North Korea that has been established by Pyongyang as a special economic zone to promote trade and investment.

U.S. officials have struggled to establish how exactly Bae ran afoul of North Korean authorities.

[B]Word of Bae's arrest first surfaced in South Korea media reports days after he was detained, with the United States later confirming it.

Nearly two weeks after detaining Bae, North Korea's official news agency confirmed his arrest, saying only he was picked up for a crime against the state.

According to the state-run Korean Central News Agency, KCNA, there was evidence uncovered that proved he had committed a crime against the country. The American then confessed to the offense, it said, and faces legal action, the news agency said at the time.

North Korea has never detailed what it says Bae did. Even when the country announced on April 30, 2013, that Bae had been sentenced to 15 years in a labor camp, it only said he was found guilty of "hostile acts to bring down its government" and planning anti-North Korean religious activities.
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North Korea is considered to have one of the most repressive penal systems in the world. [B]Human rights groups estimate that as many as 200,000 people are being held in a network of prison camps that the regime is believed to use to crush political dissent.[/B]

His mother and sister have told CNN that more than 10 months into Bae's sentence, his health is failing.

In a prison interview with Choson Sinbo, a pro-North Korean group based in Tokyo, Bae had spoken of health problems, including diabetes, high blood pressure, fatty liver and a back problem. He looked noticeably thinner and wore a blue prison garment streaked with sweat and dirt.

"Although my health is not good, I am being patient and coping well," he said at the time. "And I hope that with the help of the North Korean government and the United States, I will be released soon."

Bae was moved to a hospital for serious health problems, his sister, Terri Chung had told CNN in August.

In previous interviews, Chung has said that her brother suffers from health problems including severe back and leg pain, kidney stones, dizziness, blurred vision and loss of vision. He was already dealing with diabetes.

His family says he has lost more than 50 pounds.


The timing of Bae's conviction has raised questions about whether Pyongyang is using him as a bargaining chip in efforts to jumpstart negotiations to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. Washington has previously accused North Korea of doing so to try to gain concessions.

Bae's conviction followed North Korea's testing of a long-range rocket and an underground nuclear test, moves that resulted in tougher U.N. sanctions.

Tensions between North Korea and the United States have eased somewhat since the spring, when Pyongyang unleashed a torrent of dramatic threats as U.S. and South Korean troops carried out large-scale military exercises in the region.

U.S. officials have repeatedly called on North Korea to release Bae. In August, the two countries appeared close, but North Korea rescinded an invitation to a U.S. envoy. Ambassador Robert King, President Barack Obama's special envoy for North Korean human rights issues, had been expected to fly to Pyongyang to try to win Bae's freedom.

In previous instances, North Korea has released Americans in its custody after a visit by some U.S. dignitary -- in recent cases, former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

But efforts by Bill Richardson, the former ambassador to the United Nations, was unsuccessful in winning his release during a visit to North Korea last year.[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/who-is-kenneth-bae/[/url]

I agree with Rodman here. Reports tried some low ball shit and Rodman spotted immediately and called him out on it. Rodman just happens to be completely incoherent though, but both the reporter an Rodman know exactly what happened.

[QUOTE=Solefade]I'm sorry is this documented somewhere?[/QUOTE]

Were you born yesterday?

[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]That's exactly what he's doing. His whole public relations deal is an absolute farce when they are basically keeping a falsely imprisoned American there against his will, so basically, **** him and the horse he rode in on, Rodman can stay there and choke on that fat toad's balls for eternity.[/QUOTE]
except its not, this isn't some small setting. there is a bigger picture and Rodman has nothing to do with that big picture, hes just a basketball player and that is what he is there for. His stance is just if basketball does some good then so be it, he never claimed to go there with the purpose of turning N Korea and US into friends

[QUOTE=flipogb]except its not, this isn't some small setting. there is a bigger picture and Rodman has nothing to do with that big picture, hes just a basketball player and that is what he is there for. His stance is just if basketball does some good then so be it, he never claimed to go there with the purpose of turning N Korea and US into friends[/QUOTE]


It doesn't work that way. Rodman consorting with a dictator is basically spitting in the face of the families of all of those were murdered or tortured by a regime. A regime that we know continues its brutal tactics into this very day.


If Larry Bird had been hanging out with Saddam Hussein, would that have been acceptable? It's all about using smart judgment, Rodman apparently has none, he's an attention whore starving for his last 15 minutes and sadly enough the only place he can get it is from a brutal tyrant.

:facepalm Is this guy trying to get Rodman killed? He's obviously not gonna talk about how horrible KJU is while he's in NK.

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:biggums:

"Man, how many Korea's y'all got?"

Rodman shouldn't agree to do the interview at the first place.

I can understand his basketball trips are peaceful, but he should at least known every single news media will never think like he does.

Isn't Rodman broke? Like worse than MC Hammer?

He either gets live like a king in North Korea or appear on shitty reality shows in the US every once in a while. I think the choice is pretty clear for him.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Kim was using Rodman as some sort of propaganda figure. I wouldn't be surprised if the Koreans were led to believe that he's our president or lead ambassador.

Seriously, the average sheltered Korean probably sees Rodman and thinks he's looking at a mythical demon

[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki][img]http://i.eho.st/ppmrnmwc.png[/img]




:biggums:

"Man, how many Korea's y'all got?"[/QUOTE]
:roll:

Will rep when I can :applause:

Rodman better watch his mouth, or Lil Kim might send him to the Guillotine.

the only thing i found wrong with this video is the behaviour of the reporter. as soon as Charles Smith called him out for baiting Rodman in to an argument he cut off the interview. disgusting and the reason I don't watch the news anymore. Fox, CNN, NBC, CBC, ABC, whatever. they are all the same fear-mongering drivel.

If you listen to the entire segment without watching it, you'd think it was a Macho Man Randy Savage promo from the 80's :lol

dude's a straight up lunatic

Dennis Rodman sounds ****ed up..... sounds like he can be on WWE

Was reading and watching a couple different reactions to this, including Bae's sister calmly expressing that she is upset that Rodman hinted that her brother had done something wrong without Rodman seemingly knowing what he had done. I also read in the same article "North Korea is officially an atheist state and has said religious activities were among Bae's offenses," which was the first time I heard anything about what he had done, and that is just crazy if he was sentenced to 15 years for some religious activity.

The article if curious: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/world/asia/north-korea-dennis-rodman/[/url]

And Stern talked about it too, including saying ""This one I believe was a little bit blinded by a flash of North Korean money" and believing Rodman may have been paid with counterfeit money.

Read more: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dennis-rodman-defends-north-korea-basketball-game-article-1.1568400#ixzz2pnZj09BN[/url]

[QUOTE=SpecialQue]When Rodman goes off it sounds like some Wrestlemania shit.[/QUOTE]

Totally Hulk Hogan :roll:

Dennis Rodman has the mind of an infant. He never even answers the questions.. he just babbles on about something totally irrelevant in nonsensical rants. It's clear these guys have been given a decent wad of cash and they obviously aren't going to admit that.

that reporter is an asshole. If dennis was in N.Korea while that interview was going on.. wtf did he expect?? Was he trying to put rodman's life in danger?

Much respect to Charles Smith for speaking it clearly and calling out the asshole reporter. Even if you had good intentions and wanted to have that conversation, you do it when he's back, not when he's there. And not do it in a surprise attack.

[QUOTE=ripthekik]that reporter is an asshole. If dennis was in N.Korea while that interview was going on.. wtf did he expect?? Was he trying to put rodman's life in danger?[/QUOTE]

What does Dennis have to fear? The biggest mass murderer of our generation is his close friend!

[QUOTE=Burgz V2]the only thing i found wrong with this video is the behaviour of the reporter. as soon as Charles Smith called him out for baiting Rodman in to an argument he cut off the interview. disgusting and the reason I don't watch the news anymore. Fox, CNN, NBC, CBC, ABC, whatever. they are all the same fear-mongering drivel.[/QUOTE]
This. Imagine if it was David Stern in Rodman's spot, he would have called the reporter out on his shit after 2 minutes. If you don't belive me, just flashback to the Jim Rome interview. News outlets love when they get the chance to interview notouriosly emotional people, because that's how they can create these sound bites. Push hard enough, and wait for a person to give you headline

not to mention anything about the controversy itself, but damn Rodman does not have one single piece of coherent thought, I don't think he knows what he's even trying to say.

Just mute this and watch it while listening to Rodman: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z838LIaXZc4[/url]

What is Rodman and the others doing playing a game to celebrate Kim Jong-un? Are they that poor? Really.. cultural exchange? More of a monetary exchange if anything. I really wished things would turn around for Vin..

This is a funny thread, full of people who seem more agitated by some interview then the fact that you have fellow Americans taking part celebrating Kim ****ing Jong-uns birthday.. Do they have any moral fiber in their body (if that is the expression)?

[QUOTE=Solefade]There's not a lot that indicate otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Yes there is. There are a ton of North Korean defectors. Spanning the range of people from the military, to the communist party, to a prisoner in the north korean gulag known as camp 22. The general consensus is that people in north korea aren't mentally handicapped. they know starving isn't normal. they know that there are much richer countries in the world. in fact illegal immigration into china is a big issue for the chinese. There are were people alive from before Kim Ill Sung took power, that explained what it was like before the Kim's to the younger generation.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk[/url]

Shin Dong-hyuk describes how he was subjected to everything from torture and starvation to forced labor. He describes how orwellian the prison camps are. He describes how female prisoners are basically subjected to rape constantly.

The largest NK prison camp has well over 100,000 political prisoners, who are often subjected to torture as punishment, and forced labor as routine.

These people are basically slaves. Sometimes slaves act like they love their masters as a survival tactic.

Rodman's presence in NK telling the NK people how respected and good Kim Jong Un is and even sing happy birthday to him, is a propaganda coup for Kim.

And he is not helping at all. The US already talks to NK through diplomatic back channels.

[QUOTE=flipogb]Rodman doesn't have to do crap for Bae, this is a country that has millions of people. 1 basketball player has nothing to do with 1 prisoner.

[B]Its not like Rodman is visiting a guy's house while some dude is tied up in a closet and hes ignoring it.[/B] its a country with millions of people and issues that Rodman has nothing to do with[/QUOTE]

he is literally visiting a guy with hundreds of thousands of innocent people locked up. And those people are forced to perform hard labor. And the females are raped. And they are tortured. And they are starved purposefully.

Kim Jong Un is at the hitler level of evil.

[QUOTE=flipogb]except its not, this isn't some small setting. there is a bigger picture and Rodman has nothing to do with that big picture, hes just a basketball player and that is what he is there for. His stance is just if basketball does some good then so be it, he never claimed to go there with the purpose of turning N Korea and US into friends[/QUOTE]

He shouldnt be going to NK and shouldnt be saying Kim is a, and I quote "great guy". Kim is a mass murderer, mass torturer and has clearly by any reasonable standard performed crimes against humanity. Its like if babe ruth decided to go be friends with hitler in 1932. Babe ruth would be a horrible person, at worst and a idiot at best.

Also the people who are saying that Rodman opens up dialog are so stupid. The US constantly talks with NK diplomats through back/unofficial channels. That is how we get the deals that they constantly renege on

[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]:facepalm Is this guy trying to get Rodman killed? He's obviously not gonna talk about how horrible KJU is while he's in NK.[/QUOTE]
He comes back to America and talks about how awesome and great kim is.

i think he wants to be on the FBI/CIA most watched list.