[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sEagjNAh-U[/url]
Dude just hit his own goalie in the face then doesn't even show remorse:oldlol:
Hockeys ugliest plays:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwB21wtLN84[/url]
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sEagjNAh-U[/url]
Dude just hit his own goalie in the face then doesn't even show remorse:oldlol:
Hockeys ugliest plays:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwB21wtLN84[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmStcAnjOqA[/url] heres Eric Boulton vs Jay Rosehill from last night, 2 guys going toe to toe and letting them fly look how much energy the fight gave the crowd which in return has an effect on the players and they flyers came back and won the game.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]So one single person said it, it must be true? :lol[/QUOTE]
No, of course not, I was simply challenging his stance.
[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]because no one gives a shit about hockey[/QUOTE]
The NHL currently selling out more arenas than the NBA.
[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-selling-more-arenas-nba-225020461--nhl.html"]link[/URL]
[QUOTE=kentatm]The NHL currently selling out more arenas than the NBA.
[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-selling-more-arenas-nba-225020461--nhl.html"]link[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yeah hockey is bigger than most people realize. I went to a hockey school. When we traveled [the b ball team] we ate Arby's and Subway and when they traveled they ate steak and shrimp.
*Mind you they've won so many state titles that we have to have our B team compete for state while our A team travels the country and our b ball team has never won state.
[QUOTE=tpols]A little fighting is good to clear emotions in a game.. in an NBA game players hold back until theyre really sick of whats ever going on and they explode causing a big scuffle spreading across the court
There's ettiquette in hockey fighting.. theyre on skates so its always in a small stretch of ice, they throw punches and grab/block.. its pretty simple on skates. First to go down and fight is over. No 'retaliation' or gang jumpings. [B]Its fair and settles the dispute and makes sure pent up rage doesnt make a player do something he may regret.[/B]
When youre out on a bball court you could have these guys chasing each other going everywhere, diving at each other, running around.. its just too wild and uncontrolled. Plus there would be no ettituquette like in hockey.. and they dont have pads and helmets on so it would likely be more dangerous. Just not a good idea for basketball based on how it operates:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You mean like beating someone over the head with a stick?
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]One would thinking having gloves, sticks and fighting on ice would be more dangerous than hardwood.[/QUOTE]
Players almost never fight with their sticks. It will get you suspended or banned and in some cases arrested.
The reason fighting is considered part of the game is the sticks. People use their sticks all the time in ways the refs don't catch. The argument is guys would use their sticks way too much during the game if they could do it and not face a beating.
Imagine a coach facing a prime Wayne Gretzky? He could tell his players just to slash at Gretzky. What's a couple of penalties vs taking out the greatest player ever? The reason fighting is somewhat sanctioned in hockey is the sticks.
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Players almost never fight with their sticks. It will get you suspended or banned and in some cases arrested.
The reason fighting is considered part of the game is the sticks. People use their sticks all the time in ways the refs don't catch. The argument is guys would use their sticks way too much during the game if they could do it and not face a beating.
Imagine a coach facing a prime Wayne Gretzky? He could tell his players just to slash at Gretzky. What's a couple of penalties vs taking out the greatest player ever? The reason fighting is somewhat sanctioned in hockey is the sticks.[/QUOTE]
So with the cameras and technology we have now [I can see what you mean when referring to the 60s-80's] why can't that be cleaned up through the league office?
So much ignorance in this thread about hockey...if you take the time to learn about the sport it can be very, very fun to watch. I hear it's very fun to play as well however I couldn't do it because I value my teeth too much. I personally think it's more entertaining than baseball.
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]So much ignorance in this thread about hockey...if you take the time to learn about the sport it can be very, very fun to watch. I hear it's very fun to play as well however I couldn't do it because I value my teeth too much. I personally think it's more entertaining than baseball.[/QUOTE]
Well then educate us.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Well then educate us.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hockey"]Here you go.[/URL]
Hockey players who brawl are looked at as goons.
It's strategic. If a team's energy is dormant or seeming nonchalant, a goon or intimidator will bite the bullet and start a fist fight, hopeully to energize his team with some tenacity. Players always react to a fight, a good one no doubt gets them fired up even more than a lame, scripted one.
There's your answer.
[QUOTE=embersyc][B]Dudes have big padded gloves and helmets on.[/B]
They are on ice skates.
There is a glass barrier between fans and players.
Fights are mostly one on one.[/QUOTE]
Gloves and helmets are shedded when they fight. Once in a while, a helmet may stay on but they usually get thrown off
[QUOTE=chosen_one6][URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hockey"]Here you go.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Not about hockey you buffoon about the ignorance in your fellow posters remarks.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I'm saying that[B] NBA/NFL players have a small skirmish and they are fined, looked down upon, and called thugs[[/B]/B]. Hockey players do it an they are called tough.
I can see why fighting isn't permitted in the NBA...the game revolves around flow.
I can see why fighting isn't allowed in the NFL....it would be pandemonium.
What I can't see is why NFL players, who push and shove each other all game, are fined and hyper surveilled when it comes to physicality...if the NFL had a fight like this it would be the opening story on every sports news show...people would be questioning their morals for wasting the fans money and all that.[/QUOTE]
This is your main motivation for creating the thread. You just want another circumstance in life to be able to cry unequal racial perception. "When blacks fight, they are thugs, why can't the white hockey guys be seen as lowly goons too wah wah wah wah."
Hockey is a rough, contact sport. Whether you know anything about how the game works or not, fighting serves a legit purpose for the guys playing. It's not JUST for the fans and entertainment.
[QUOTE=Ed Wachter]Side note: the creator of this thread is openly racist.
Continue.[/QUOTE]
I concur.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Not about hockey you buffoon about the ignorance in your fellow posters remarks.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
You weren't specific.
The ignorance about the sport and fighting just comes from a lack of understanding of the sport. A few posters have already eloquently stated why fighting is around in hockey and the impact it can have. Some people say hockey is an irrelevant sport or that it's boring to watch but I say those people don't know what they're talking about.
[QUOTE=moe94]Why is hockey the only major sport that sanctions fighting? What purpose does fighting serve? Is the sport so boring that it actually needs fights to keep interest? It seems highly barbaric.
But seriously, why?
Why can't basketball incorporate this? Floppers can get their @ss beat and the fake tough guys can be weeded out.[/QUOTE]
In hockey you're on skates. No one can get leverage on a punch if they're on skates. They also have pads.
So it's usually not even that bad.
Because it's as much apart of the sport as anything? It's been around forever. The actual reasons differs depending on who you ask, it use to be the "enforcers" protected your skill players. People wouldn't throw dirty hits on your star players with a guy out there who's sole purpose was to knock you out. Isn't so much the case these days. Momentum. Helps change the the flow of the game. Venting, sports cause alot of emotion. Guy might be less likely to throw a hit from behind or something dirty if he can just drop the gloves.
Grew up playing hockey and watching it. Some people want it out of the game, IMO that would be terrible. It's apart of the history of the game, and has been on every level. Right down to road hockey with friends. Dropping the mitts is just as much apart of hockey as a stepback jumper. That's why they get away with it. Shit you think that brawl was bad? Go look at the history of the game :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tmacattack33]In hockey you're on skates. No one can get leverage on a punch if they're on skates. They also have pads.
So it's usually not even that bad.[/QUOTE]
Not really. People want it gone because the damage it's doing to players brains, similar to protecting the QB in football. Yeah alot of the times it's nothing seriously but you can get some real crazy one's going. Earlier in the year I believe Parros had a nasty fall. I guess your not aloud to remove your helmet anymore, fights nowadays are nowhere near as bad they use to be.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKWBupArhpE[/url]
Those are some bombs tho. Much more than what you see with basketball players flicking there wrists :oldlol:
To clarify it's deff the history and how long it's been around. You got kicked out for fighting when I was a kid but you still did it. You seen guys like Tie Domi sticking up for teammates so you wanted to do the same. As you advance the fighting continues regardless of punishment. So for NHL players they've seen it on every level just like they see goals and assists, same with fans.
For the record last nights activities will be on the hot seat among NHL fans. Esp Torts going after Hartley during the intermission, the coaches. Check out an NHL forum, some do consider what Hartley did a major offense. He started his 4th line looking for a fight and Torts was forced to match thus creating the mayhem.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]You mean like beating someone over the head with a stick?[/QUOTE]
nah:oldlol:
like bynum hitting barea at the end of the LA series.. artest and pretty much all his incidents.. if you put Ben Wallace and Ron Artest on ice and let them duke it out Artest never goes into the stands. All the animosity is gone after the fight.. nothing builds up.
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]:oldlol:
You weren't specific.
The ignorance about the sport and fighting just comes from a lack of understanding of the sport. A few posters have already eloquently stated why fighting is around in hockey and the impact it can have. Some people say hockey is an irrelevant sport or that it's boring to watch but I say those people don't know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE]
I see what you're saying but I don't agree. Hockey players get a pass for thuggish behavior. They staged a fight and no one in here called them classless or selfish but Sherman said snide comments after the game and he is a goon, a thug, someone who needs to be shut up.
[QUOTE=tpols]nah:oldlol:
like bynum hitting barea at the end of the LA series.. artest and pretty much all his incidents.. if you put Ben Wallace and Ron Artest on ice and let them duke it out Artest never goes into the stands. All the animosity is gone after the fight.. nothing builds up.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcgivAeVlI4[/url]
Hockey players fight fans too.
Artest didn't initiate the fight he got a beer thrown on him. Domi squirted the fans with water and started the confrontation. Still, Artest is the def. of sports bad boy...
Hockey has fighting because:
1-protect the smaller skill players who could easily be taken out within the rules of this [U]full contact game[/U](important to remember). Wayne Gretzky's records are so amazing because he played so many years with an unskilled bodyguard (Dave Smenko) on his line. The reason why is a guy like him dancing around the ice is equivalent to a quarterback running wild out of the pocket...he could get drilled, so if someone takes umbrage, there is someone there to make sure they pay for it.
Fighting is an added deterrent to hard hits on the less physical players.
Not everyone fights, players know this, there are guys who are there to score, and muckers. The muckers tend to mingle with each other, when they go at a star or a goalie, their counterpart muckers will sort them out.
You would never see a goon go after a top shelf, non-physical star, and the reason why is it goes again the unwritten rules of the game which are policed through fighting.
2-keep the stick work to a minimal. you hit someone with your stick, you can guarantee you will get a fist in your mouth before the end of the game. if you follow every nasty piece of stick work, there is almost 100% of the time a fight involving the guilty party shortly there after.
3-there is a method to fighting, rare are there cheapshots in a fight and rarely does a fight end where there is not a 'good job' or some exchange at the end. it is an intricate and necessary part of the game, without there would be more injuries and more stoppages in play because everything would need to go through the officiating and the dirty players would have a field day.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Hockey has fighting because:
1-protect the smaller skill players who could easily be taken out within the rules of this [U]full contact game[/U](important to remember). Wayne Gretzky's records are so amazing because he played so many years with an unskilled bodyguard (Dave Smenko) on his line. The reason why is a guy like him dancing around the ice is equivalent to a quarterback running wild out of the pocket...he could get drilled, so if someone takes umbrage, there is someone there to make sure they pay for it.
Fighting is an added deterrent to hard hits on the less physical players.
Not everyone fights, players know this, there are guys who are there to score, and muckers. The muckers tend to mingle with each other, when they go at a star or a goalie, their counterpart muckers will sort them out.
You would never see a goon go after a top shelf, non-physical star, and the reason why is it goes again the unwritten rules of the game which are policed through fighting.
2-keep the stick work to a minimal. you hit someone with your stick, you can guarantee you will get a fist in your mouth before the end of the game. if you follow every nasty piece of stick work, there is almost 100% of the time a fight involving the guilty party shortly there after.
3-there is a method to fighting, rare are there cheapshots in a fight and rarely does a fight end where there is not a 'good job' or some exchange at the end. it is an intricate and necessary part of the game, without there would be more injuries and more stoppages in play because everything would need to go through the officiating and the dirty players would have a field day.[/QUOTE]
Why are the rules policed by fighting and not the FO? Regulations from the commissioner, in theory, could stop all that drama.
If hockey players like to make millions playing a children's game they will comply, no?
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Why are the rules policed by fighting and not the FO?
If hockey players like to make millions playing a children's game they will comply, mo?[/QUOTE]
You do realize fighting in hockey goes beyond the NHL right? and like I said history of the game. They made fighting a major back in the 20's. That's a whole lot of seasons where fighting is a 5 minute major. Nobody cares because that's the way it's always been, thats hockey :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Why are the rules policed by fighting and not the FO? Regulations from the commissioner, in theory could stop all that drama.
If hockey players like to make millions playing a children's game they will comply, no?[/QUOTE]
Because fighting has worked since it's inception, so why change it?
and fighting is not that "classless" in the NHL as you're making it out to be. There is a gentlemanly agreement with combatants and monitored closely by the refs. Rarely is there a major injury.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]You do realize fighting in hockey goes beyond the NHL right? and like I said history of the game. They made fighting a major back in the 20's. That's a whole lot of seasons where fighting is a 5 minute major. Nobody cares because that's the way it's always been, thats hockey :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I like the fighting in hockey. I would not like it to change.
My thing is:
Hockey player fights=it's a part of the game; it's how it's always been
Football player fight=he's a thug/goon/poor role model
Which is crazy because the whole game is a shoving match.
Sherman talked trash after a game and he is a thug but hockey players stage a fight and it's shrugged off -- it seems like a double standard to me.
because football sucks thats why
[QUOTE=hateraid]Because fighting has worked since it's inception, so why change it?
and fighting is not that "classless" in the NHL as you're making it out to be. There is a gentlemanly agreement with combatants and monitored closely by the refs. Rarely is there a major injury.[/QUOTE]
I never tried to make it out as a classless act [only the extreme instances where a person was beat with a stick]...I'm wondering why fighting in hockey is seen as tough but in other sports it's seen as classless.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I never tried to make it out as a classless act [only the extreme instances where a person was beat with a stick]...I'm wondering why fighting in hockey is seen as tough but in other sports it's seen as classless.[/QUOTE]
BECAUSE FIGHTING IS NOT PART OF OTHER GAMES what do you not understand? it's expected in hockey.
[QUOTE=hateraid]Because fighting has worked since it's inception,.[/QUOTE]
See, inception can be done!
[QUOTE=Styles p]BECAUSE FIGHTING IS NOT PART OF OTHER GAMES what do you not understand? it's expected in hockey.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why it is EXPECTED in hockey.
I don't understand why hockey players are allowed to regulate themselves and the NHL doesn't do it.
I don't understand why hockey fights are seen as an act of toughness but in other sports it is seen as an act of classlessness.
*The only sports that fighting should be a part of is boxing, wrestling, martial arts, and MMA.
[QUOTE=Styles p]BECAUSE FIGHTING IS NOT PART OF OTHER GAMES what do you not understand? it's expected in hockey.[/QUOTE]
This.
also as expressed many times is that it is in olace to protect skilled players. Penaling fighting in other sports protects players. Penalizing in hockey will not stop players from making runs on skill players.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I like the fighting in hockey. I would not like it to change.
My thing is:
Hockey player fights=it's a part of the game; it's how it's always been
Football player fight=he's a thug/goon/poor role model
Which is crazy because the whole game is a shoving match.
Sherman talked trash after a game and he is a thug but hockey players stage a fight and it's shrugged off -- it seems like a double standard to me.[/QUOTE]
Uhh because there different sports? If fighting had been legal or had happened consistently since the start of the NFL and across all levels than people wouldn't call it classless.
I remember playing hockey as like a 8 year old and hitting eachother in the face with gloves/helmets on in the dressing rooms. When you played with adults people would always jokingly try to drop the mitts. Have you ever heard the term jersey'd? That stems from hockey.
There's alot of people that want it out of the game. They are struggling too because it's such apart of hockey culture. Fighting isn't apart of the NFL or NBA. Infact the NFL has been trying to make the game less physical by protecting the QB's and WR's and simply changed the rules. People who want fighting gone can't do that.
Not trying to be a dick but can't understand why you can't see this.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Uhh because there different sports? If fighting had been legal or had happened consistently since the start of the NFL and across all levels than people wouldn't call it classless.
I remember playing hockey as like a 8 year old and hitting eachother in the face with gloves/helmets on in the dressing rooms. When you played with adults people would always jokingly try to drop the mitts. Have you ever heard the term jersey'd? That stems from hockey.
There's alot of people that want it out of the game. They are struggling too because it's such apart of hockey culture. Fighting isn't apart of the NFL or NBA. Infact the NFL has been trying to make the game less physical by protecting the QB's and WR's and simply changed the rules. People who want fighting gone can't do that.
Not trying to be a dick but can't understand why you can't see this.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be harsh as well but can't seeing it and not willing to are 2 different things.
But you are absolutely right
because white men fighting on skates is a better optic than black men brawling in shorts, tats, and headbands, the latter is too reminiscent of real life while the former has a surrealistic comedic element
this is about as REAL a response as u gonna get Go Getter
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I don't understand why it is EXPECTED in hockey.
I don't understand why hockey players are allowed to regulate themselves and the NHL doesn't do it.
I don't understand why hockey fights are seen as an act of toughness but in other sports it is seen as an act of classlessness.
*The only sports that fighting should be a part of is boxing, wrestling, martial arts, and MMA.[/QUOTE]
Hockey use to be a shit show from the get go. Physical play and intimidation play a huge factor even today. Look at the Bruins vs Canucks. That's an aspect to hockey like blitzing is in the NFL. Nobody ever touched Gretzky because the Oilers would surround him with people who would protect him. It's a strategic element to the game. Play physical with the star. Not so much today but still happens among other things.
Hockey is a physical sport that has allowed fighting for a very long time. Just seems you don't like it? NFL, NBA haven't allowed fighting. Therefore when Andre Johnson fights people don't like it. Evander Kane can fight because it's allowed and apart of a tradition that spans longer than you or I.