The Wilt Chamberlain Offensive Scouting Report Project Thread:

Going to add a category, physical profile, would be silly not to have some testimonial and clips of his extraordinary strength to premise the rest of the clips. His extraordinary size and strength are why he had the moves that he had.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Going to add a category, physical profile, would be silly not to have some testimonial and clips of his extraordinary strength to premise the rest of the clips. His extraordinary size and strength are why he had the moves that he had.[/QUOTE]
Nice.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]There's a couple of his moves we've only got 1 or 2 examples of[/QUOTE]

This should be made more clear.


By reading the thread someone could get the impression you're making a video of Wilt's offensive array. Sure. But there's nothing that proves plenty of those moves where only used 3 or 4 times in his career is there?


A highlight video is not a tool to educate the mass, it's a tool to decieve the mass like making a highlight video of Griffin's long range game or Rubio's dunks.

[QUOTE=SpanishACB]This should be made more clear.


By reading the thread someone could get the impression you're making a video of Wilt's offensive array. Sure. [B]But there's nothing that proves plenty of those moves where only used 3 or 4 times in his career is there?[/B]


A highlight video is not a tool to educate the mass, it's a tool to decieve the mass like making a highlight video of Griffin's long range game or Rubio's dunks.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of what moves? We've got perhaps 2% of his career field goals, there isn't plenty of anything outside of his bread and butter moves (finger roll and fade away variations). Wilt seems to have had a very clever baseline game that included some spins and up and unders that he used more rarely, much more rarely actually than his typical finger roll and fall away shot game. I don't think the clips we've got of his alternative moves however represent something he only did '3 or 4 times' in his career as some of the moves I've only got say, once, twice, or a few times are attempted in other clips a few more times that did not result in a field goal made (he gets wrapped up and goes to the line instead, etc). He repeats the moves like they are committed to memory. The sheer volume of points he scored means I don't think there was a move in his book that he ever limited to 3 or 4 uses. He didn't play in a showboat era, even all star games back then were played competitively and were not like today where it is about entertainment and showcasing skill (like Dwight taking a 3 or something). It makes more sense to assume that either a move became a part of your repertoire back then, or it didn't.

You are right about this not necessarily being a highlight, as it is every field goal that exists of his roughly 2% of available footage that I've got. It MAY be enough to kind of get an idea of the ratio how often he shot fadeaways vs finger rolls, vs spins, or how often he would alley oop, or run the floor, etc. But of course it still must be understood this is a random 2% of his career bias towards the latter half of his career, bias towards playoff games and finals games, and towards all star games. And none of the sources comes from games where he really was in an attack mode looking to drop 60 or w/e and get to the basket at will.

Shaq, Hakeem, Mikan, Kareem, and Moses are superior than Wilt in the post. I'm not that impressed with Wilt's game. Hopefully this footage impresses me.

I know they're difficult to master and not the best shots in every situation, but the finger roll and fadeaway are definitely among the most aesthetically pleasing to watch.

For reasonable time constraints I feel I may need to do a seperate video for scoring and passing. Still not sure on that though, part of me doesn't like the idea of breaking up his offense when people will be trying to assess his level of skill or decision making say, on the low block. Wilt's positioning and skill for scoring and passing are very intertwined, he's constantly feigning handoffs and passes or feigning shots to keep the defense honest. In the low block for instance he's a constant threat to hit shooters or hit someone backdoor so he often pauses for a long time before making a move. In a video strictly of his scoring, people may not understand why he takes so much time without the context of seeing how he passes. Still though, there's so much footage I've got I don't know if it will all fit into a reasonable sized compilation.

Here's a preliminary glance, the intro on his physical traits, moving into left block scoring - these two sections are still missing clips from my Wilt vs Kareem matchup footage so even they are not finished sections:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLad8avkmU[/url]

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]For reasonable time constraints I feel I may need to do a seperate video for scoring and passing. Still not sure on that though, part of me doesn't like the idea of breaking up his offense when people will be trying to assess his level of skill or decision making say, on the low block. Wilt's positioning and skill for scoring and passing are very intertwined, he's constantly feigning handoffs and passes or feigning shots to keep the defense honest. In the low block for instance he's a constant threat to hit shooters or hit someone backdoor so he often pauses for a long time before making a move. In a video strictly of his scoring, people may not understand why he takes so much time without the context of seeing how he passes. Still though, there's so much footage I've got I don't know if it will all fit into a reasonable sized compilation.

Here's a preliminary glance, the intro on his physical traits, moving into left block scoring - these two sections are still missing clips from my Wilt vs Kareem matchup footage so even they are not finished sections:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLad8avkmU[/url][/QUOTE]
Great, great stuff.

I think, as you said, the passing is important. Maybe you can split it in two parts: first part being low post from both blocks (including passing), and the second can be the rest of his offense?

I don't personally mind if the video is long, but I can understand where you're coming from. Maybe listing the times when different segments start in the description will help?

OT - BTW I just noticed that he used a move similar to the Tomahawk fake on Pettit from the ASG at 7:40 (though his back was to the basket). Pretty impressive fake, did he do it any other time in your footage?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]For reasonable time constraints I feel I may need to do a seperate video for scoring and passing. Still not sure on that though, part of me doesn't like the idea of breaking up his offense when people will be trying to assess his level of skill or decision making say, on the low block. Wilt's positioning and skill for scoring and passing are very intertwined, he's constantly feigning handoffs and passes or feigning shots to keep the defense honest. In the low block for instance he's a constant threat to hit shooters or hit someone backdoor so he often pauses for a long time before making a move. In a video strictly of his scoring, people may not understand why he takes so much time without the context of seeing how he passes. Still though, there's so much footage I've got I don't know if it will all fit into a reasonable sized compilation.

Here's a preliminary glance, the intro on his physical traits, moving into left block scoring - these two sections are still missing clips from my Wilt vs Kareem matchup footage so even they are not finished sections:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLad8avkmU[/url][/QUOTE]


Meh footwork.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Great, great stuff.

I think, as you said, the passing is important. Maybe you can split it in two parts: first part being low post from both blocks (including passing), and the second can be the rest of his offense?

I don't personally mind if the video is long, but I can understand where you're coming from. Maybe listing the times when different segments start in the description will help?

OT - BTW I just noticed that he used a move similar to the Tomahawk fake on Pettit from the ASG at 7:40 (though his back was to the basket). Pretty impressive fake, did he do it any other time in your footage?[/QUOTE]
That overhead wind-up is something he does a few times in various sequences, I've got him doing that a few more times, though since they aren't in this left block scoring footage I'm assuming they are either in the from a passing highlight or maybe from some of his 2-man game baskets like on a give and go. I don't think he does that on the right block. His right block clips are an interesting contrast to the left block, he changes his scoring habits quite a bit depending on which side he's on.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]That overhead wind-up is something he does a few times in various sequences, I've got him doing that a few more times, though since they aren't in this left block scoring footage I'm assuming they are either in the from a passing highlight or maybe from some of his 2-man game baskets like on a give and go. I don't think he does that on the right block. His right block clips are an interesting contrast to the left block, he changes his scoring habits quite a bit depending on which side he's on.[/QUOTE]
Not to spoil it, but what are the key differences between the left and right blocks?

[QUOTE=fpliii]Not to spoil it, but what are the key differences between the left and right blocks?[/QUOTE]
Just the frequency of moves, and how it alters their appearance. He takes more fade aways than finger rolls on the left, but the opposite is true on the right. He also does the quick baseline spin repeatedly on the right block, where as I only have that one attempt captured on film on the left block. Late in his career he quite literally never shoots a fall away from the right side, though early in his career it seems he may have taken just as many or nearly so as he did on the left side.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Just the frequency of moves, and how it alters their appearance. He takes more fade aways than finger rolls on the left, but the opposite is true on the right. He also does the quick baseline spin repeatedly on the right block, where as I only have that one attempt captured on film on the left block. Late in his career he quite literally never shoots a fall away from the right side, though early in his career it seems he may have taken just as many or nearly so as he did on the left side.[/QUOTE]
Ah okay, good stuff.

BTW does either of my proposals (either splitting into two videos, the first low block on both sides including passing, or instead one long video with start times of segments in the description) sound reasonable? Or were you thinking of splitting a different way?

Awesome idea. Really looking forward to the full vid

Cavs, on the passing part there are a couple of clips, I don't know if they are your clips or not, of Wilt hitting the second cutter and sometimes the second cutter is coming from the opposite side of the court going for the rebound. It takes a lot of court awareness to do that as it is an impromptu pass that reflects an understanding of court dynamics.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Ah okay, good stuff.

BTW does either of my proposals (either splitting into two videos, the first low block on both sides including passing, or instead one long video with start times of segments in the description) sound reasonable? Or were you thinking of splitting a different way?[/QUOTE]
If I have the video split I really just might do scoring, then a passing video. But we'll see, I'd rather do one long one than split it but if the video for example is longer than 25 minutes JUST on scoring I may split it. I know you might, but most people won't sit through 3 minutes of footage let alone 25, my longest videos are my least viewed.

I added the Kareem footage and now I'm rendering what I THINK will be a complete version of Wilt's left block scoring section (audio and clip organization subject to change, but the footage is there). I'll have it up on YT tomorrow for you to check out. Wilt did 2 baseline spins against Kareem so that means Wilt does a baseline spin 3 times on film from the left block which closes the gap a bit in comparison to how many times I've got him doing it from the right block... this is the one problem with having such a small sample size of footage, he clearly had moves in his repertoire that we only have a few clips of, there's so little footage of his alternative moves that just finding one or two clips can alter my perception of how often he used a move. Or in the case of the recent efootage uploads, show us moves we never even had footage of Wilt doing previously so to someone like me who never saw him play, it shows him doing something I never saw him do before.

It is not unreasonable to assume we might be missing quite a few alternative moves of his. I've got 'lot's' of Wilt footage, as in I could probably make an hour long mix which would be ridiculous, but it's becoming clear how 'relatively' little I have, as not all of my footage is the 'highlight' material other players are lucky to have being that nearly all of their careers exist on film. The footage I have to work with is just a window to a more or less random 2% of his career, bias towards the latter half of his career and bias towards Finals/Playoffs/ASG's. Having just a random 2% of any players career in this fashion is not a lot when you start trying to analyze specifics on his versatility/variety for playing /scoring.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]If I have the video split I really just might do scoring, then a passing video. But we'll see, I'd rather do one long one than split it but if the video for example is longer than 25 minutes JUST on scoring I may split it. I know you might, but most people won't sit through 3 minutes of footage let alone 25, my longest videos are my least viewed.

I added the Kareem footage and now I'm rendering what I THINK will be a complete version of Wilt's left block scoring section (audio and clip organization subject to change, but the footage is there). I'll have it up on YT tomorrow for you to check out. Wilt did 2 baseline spins against Kareem so that means Wilt does a baseline spin 3 times on film from the left block which closes the gap a bit in comparison to how many times I've got him doing it from the right block... this is the one problem with having such a small sample size of footage, he clearly had moves in his repertoire that we only have a few clips of, there's so little footage of his alternative moves that just finding one or two clips can alter my perception of how often he used a move. Or in the case of the recent efootage uploads, show us moves we never even had footage of Wilt doing previously so to someone like me who never saw him play, it shows him doing something I never saw him do before.

It is not unreasonable to assume we might be missing quite a few alternative moves of his. I've got 'lot's' of Wilt footage, as in I could probably make an hour long mix which would be ridiculous, but it's becoming clear how 'relatively' little I have, as not all of my footage is the 'highlight' material other players are lucky to have being that nearly all of their careers exist on film. The footage I have to work with is just a window to a more or less random 2% of his career, bias towards the latter half of his career and bias towards Finals/Playoffs/ASG's. Having just a random 2% of any players career in this fashion is not a lot when you start trying to analyze specifics on his versatility/variety for playing /scoring.[/QUOTE]
Sounds great, looking forward to it. Nice to hear that about the baseline spin and the other extra footage.

BTW in the long term after you're done with your current projects, do you think you'd be interested in doing something similar for Bucks Kareem? Or do you think it's unnecessary?

[QUOTE=fpliii]Sounds great, looking forward to it. Nice to hear that about the baseline spin and the other extra footage.

BTW in the long term after you're done with your current projects, do you think you'd be interested in doing something similar for Bucks Kareem? Or do you think it's unnecessary?[/QUOTE]
I've been contemplating restructuring the Russell mix like this it's a lot of work but it might be worth it. I could do a Bucks Kareem mix like this too down the road that's possible.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]I've been contemplating restructuring the Russell mix like this it's a lot of work but it might be worth it. I could do a Bucks Kareem mix like this too down the road that's possible.[/QUOTE]
Nice.

My question about the Russ mix is, is there enough footage to put together an offensive mix based on his post moves? Though I guess you could get into the playing five positions thing with him.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Russ would be best served with a mix focussing on athleticism/versatility on offense and defense/passing/shotblocking/crazy rebounds. I feel like the main "knocks" on Russ by casual fans are:

BTW I just saw that your Nate mix is unlisted. Was this the final version:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwS6dxlR6g[/url]

?

Or do I have an old link?

here's that finished left block scoring

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrevhQnhUPI[/url]

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]here's that finished left block scoring

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrevhQnhUPI[/url][/QUOTE]
:applause:

The basket at 8:41 had always been one of my favorite ones. Off balance, fade-away, using glass, all at once, at 290 lbs. Without having seen and studied any big man before him perform this. Yeah, definitely unskilled... :facepalm

I'm sorry but I've noticed that he's fond of taking this dumb finger roll facing backwards even if he's not that close to the basket. Terrible and inefficient shot.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]here's that finished left block scoring

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrevhQnhUPI[/url][/QUOTE]



That turnaround j. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=turnaroundJ]I'm sorry but I've noticed that he's fond of taking this dumb finger roll facing backwards even if he's not that close to the basket. Terrible and inefficient shot.[/QUOTE]
Looks like he drains it repeatedly over Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar among anyone else he's shooting it over, but what does Wilt know he only owns all the NBA's volume and field goal percentage records right? I noticed 2 things with that shot:

*It is an opportunity for him to impose his physicality and intimidate, as he turns in he is often right on top of the player defending him even using his left hand to sweep or lean on the opponent if he gets away with it

*He's turning in deep, and the release is soft, which puts him in great offensive rebound position to follow his own shot if he feels a bad release, this is demonstrated in that section when he does just that against Bill Russell

Seems like an awesome shot to me :applause:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Looks like he drains it repeatedly over Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar among anyone else he's shooting it over, but what does Wilt know he only owns all the NBA's volume and field goal percentage records right? I noticed 2 things with that shot:

*It is an opportunity for him to impose his physicality and intimidate, as he turns in he is often right on top of the player defending him even using his left hand to sweep or lean on the opponent if he gets away with it

*He's turning in deep, and the release is soft, which puts him in great offensive rebound position to follow his own shot if he feels a bad release, this is demonstrated in that section when he does just that against Bill Russell

Seems like an awesome shot to me :applause:[/QUOTE]

I'm sure he's made a load of those but it IS a highlight vid, so you'd expect not to see misses.

The leaning makes him release it off-balanced, though it does seem like his way to get closer. The arc is also quite flat. He isn't exactly laying it down from above.

I'm talking about the ones he attempts from 5+ feet away, facing the opposite basket. A possible reason for shooting it would be to make getting tip-ins or putbacks easier, but I don't see why he wouldn't just shoot some sort of a hook shot in those situations in stead of leaning in for some flip shot.

[QUOTE=turnaroundJ]I'm sure he's made a load of those but it [B]IS a highlight vid[/B], so you'd expect not to see misses.

The leaning makes him release it off-balanced, though it does seem like his way to get closer. The arc is also quite flat. He isn't exactly laying it down from above.

I'm talking about the ones he attempts from 5+ feet away, facing the opposite basket. A possible reason for shooting it would be to make getting tip-ins or putbacks easier, but I don't see why he wouldn't just shoot some sort of a hook shot in those situations in stead of leaning in for some flip shot.[/QUOTE]
Not quite, this is a project that shows every made bucket captured on film. And only about 2% of his career field goals exists on films. The footage is not selective as to which clips are shown. If he makes a particular shot a lot, it means he was taking that shot a lot. If he took the shot a lot, do you doubt that his mind was incapable of figuring out which shots worked for him and which shots didn't? Particularly seeing as how, as pointed out, he owns the leagues scoring and accuracy records?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]And only about 2% of his career field goals exists on films.?[/QUOTE]

That's a better phrasing that the "2% of his career exists" that I've also read, which is simply not true (it's obviously lower - we're talking about 47859+7559 career minutes + the free throws).

It would also be interesting to count his dunks and estimate how many he had in his career (after breaking them down into specific eras, since he didn't dunk as often during his whole career) and where he'd rank all-time. He might not catch Shaq, who has more than 4,000 career dunks and is almost certainly the all-time leader, but he may have more than anyone else, with Kareem being the only other strong challenger (since the early 90's, Robinson was #2 behind Shaq, and he had less than 2,000).

[QUOTE=Psileas]It would also be interesting to count his dunks and estimate how many he had in his career (after breaking them down into specific eras, since he didn't dunk as often during his whole career) and where he'd rank all-time. He might not catch Shaq, who has more than 4,000 career dunks and is almost certainly the all-time leader, but he may have more than anyone else, with Kareem being the only other strong challenger (since the early 90's, Robinson was #2 behind Shaq, and he had less than 2,000).[/QUOTE]
In the post he used the highest percentage 'finesse' finishes relative to any other potential methods of getting free to score, such as what you see in this left block footage I provided. But virtually all of his backdoor, pick and roll, and give and go plays resulted in a dunk, not to mention a very significant portion of his offensive rebounds. Interestingly, a lot of his lobs however, were soft lay ins, this is somewhat of a contrast to what we see today when players convert on lobs. But lobs aren't really a common play anyways. Not relative to the rest of the ways he put the ball in the hoop at least. All in all yeah, Wilt racked up a lot of dunks. If he was deep he was unstoppable just like Shaq.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]In the post he used the highest percentage 'finesse' finishes relative to any other potential methods of getting free to score, such as what you see in this left block footage I provided. But virtually all of his backdoor, pick and roll, and give and go plays resulted in a dunk, not to mention a very significant portion of his offensive rebounds. Interestingly, a lot of his lobs however, were soft lay ins, this is somewhat of a contrast to what we see today when players convert on lobs. But lobs aren't really a common play anyways. Not relative to the rest of the ways he put the ball in the hoop at least. All in all yeah, Wilt racked up a lot of dunks. If he was deep he was unstoppable just like Shaq.[/QUOTE]
You mentioned before that there were some slight differences between his left and right block scoring. Just wondering, with regards to his fadeaway in particular, was he more likely to use the glass on one side than the other?

[QUOTE=fpliii]You mentioned before that there were some slight differences between his left and right block scoring. Just wondering, with regards to his fadeaway in particular, was he more likely to use the glass on one side than the other?[/QUOTE]
Go and watch my 1960's scoring video I made and you can see for yourself, he doesn't take that shot in his Laker years (or rather, let's say very rarely, it's not on the limited amount of film, not even an attempt) anyways. When he's in the right block and turns to fade he always rotates to HIS right which means he's actually shooting from near the high post. As such, I don't think he's at any advantagious angle to really be using glass, he's essentially facing the backboard straight on.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Go and watch my 1960's scoring video I made and you can see for yourself, he doesn't take that shot in his Laker years (at least not on film) anyways. When he's in the right block and turns to fade he always rotates to HIS right which means he's actually shooting from near the high post. As such, I don't think he's at any advantagious angle to really be using glass, he's essentially facing the backboard straight on.[/QUOTE]
Good stuff. I'll rewatch when I get home.

[QUOTE=turnaroundJ]I'm sure he's made a load of those but it IS a highlight vid, so you'd expect not to see misses.
[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Such highlights could show us some tendencies, but not much besides that. Without misses we really don't know how efficient player was in particular types of plays. Hey, even Shaq had a few seasons when he made 70 midrange jumpers each year and we could made exactly the same highlights video without misses and he would look good from midrange. But that would be just delusion, as is also in Wilt's case.

[QUOTE=trueDS]Exactly. Such highlights could show us some tendencies, but not much besides that. Without misses we really don't know how efficient player was in particular types of plays. Hey, even Shaq had a few seasons when he made 70 midrange jumpers each year and we could made exactly the same highlights video without misses and he would look good from midrange. But that would be just delusion, as is also in Wilt's case.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect, you have Shaq's entire career to draw from

We have 2% of Wilt's field goals, we can't just select ANY 2% we want either, as in your analogy of 'we could just select footage of shaq making those shots that particular season!' That is invalid logic and does not apply here. These are not 'highlights', these are all of the random collection of Wilt's field goals made.

Highlights would be like if we had Wilt's ENTIRE career on film, and we only selected the very best of the best. We don't have that luxury, not even close. The information you seek is a shot chart. Which you can get details on from the poster Phila.

No, if there aren't missed shots then = highlights - no matter from what sample (2% field goals, or whole career).

Really, what is so difficult to understand in that if player X often used some type of shot, that doesn't mean he was effective in that? For example Antoine Walker made a lot of threes, but he was bad three point shooter. The same is with Wilt's fadeaways. He made a lot of them during his early years, but wasn't efficient as fadeaway shooter. No wonder his efficiency from the field skyrocket, when he limited fadeaways and focused on putbacks and overall shots at rim.

[QUOTE=trueDS]No, if there aren't missed shots then = highlights - no matter from what sample (2% field goals, or whole career).

Really, what is so difficult to understand in that if player X often used some type of shot, that doesn't mean he was effective in that? For example Antoine Walker made a lot of threes, but he was bad three point shooter. The same is with Wilt's fadeaways. He made a lot of them during his early years, but wasn't efficient as fadeaway shooter. No wonder his efficiency from the field skyrocket, when he limited fadeaways and focused on putbacks and overall shots at rim.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you siding with a guy who just argued Wilt's left block fingerroll was a bad shot?

The shot he still kept intact in his repertoire (as evidenced by footage of him taking the shot repeatedly, make or miss, in '67 and '73 in both games film and Winek documentary footage?) when he set records in accuracy that still stand?

He shot the fall away from both blocks in '62 when he scored, 50.4ppg on greater than 50% from the floor. He retired it to a great degree in '67. After '67 he was taking it again on a fairly consistent basis, but only from the left block.

You also assert he focused more on 'putbacks' later in his career? Putbacks? Really? I have 2 putbacks of his on film. Just 2. How much of Wilt's game do you understand that ISN'T based on an obvious assumption? Is that not why a video like this needs to be made? Do you not see the value in it?

As I stated, if you want shot charts of the known games of his that exists, look up Phila's shot chart. He made one. Watch the games on Youtube to see exactly what shots were attempted, they're there. What I'm making, still isn't a highlight. In highlights the cream rises to the top. What I'm showing, is footage of the random 2% of his field goals made that are lucky to exist on film. There is a distinct difference.

[QUOTE]No, if there aren't missed shots then = highlights - no matter from what sample (2% field goals, or whole career).[/QUOTE]

Νο, field goals made don't necessarily equal scoring highlights, unless someone wants to believe that scoring a field goal would automatically constitute a highlight and I know most don't. When we see highlights of a game, we don't get to see all FGM's of it.

You guys might believe in anything you want, but unless there are missed shots such video doesn't have much worth (shooting tendencies are the only value of such video). It's just like Antoine Walker and his three pointers made - without misses we would think he was great three point shooter.


PS
According to Dipper's/Phila's research Wilt was:

3/10 (30%) from midrange
42/51 (82.4%) at rim (including 18/19 slam dunks - 95%)
0/10 (0%) non at rim in the paint shots
so total 3/20 FG (15%!) outside of at rim area!

[url]http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1247724[/url]

So basically Wilt was worthless as a scorer outside of at rim area (15% FG%!)