[QUOTE=poido123]Wilt, Kareem sure that is plausible. But Magic? You're straight up trolling dude.[/QUOTE]
Magic made the finals 9 times in 11 year:biggums:
who knows how many more he would have won without HIV:coleman:
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[QUOTE=poido123]Wilt, Kareem sure that is plausible. But Magic? You're straight up trolling dude.[/QUOTE]
Magic made the finals 9 times in 11 year:biggums:
who knows how many more he would have won without HIV:coleman:
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Yes, because it has nothing to do with OP, and your opinion is retarded. if I were to go into a Heat thread claiming LeBron was a top 50 at best player wouldn't I be trolling?[/QUOTE]
that would be a straight up lie of course it would be trolling
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]who knows how many more he would have won without HIV:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Not many, considering Kareem didn't play forever and the lakers got their ass handed to them in the first finals MJ played in
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]Wilt,Kareem and MAgic??
since they were all Lakers u should be happy with my opinion or do you only care about Kobe??:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Magic isn't better than Jordan and neither is Wilt and it's not even close.
[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Not many, considering Kareem didn't play forever and the lakers got their ass handed to them in the first finals MJ played in[/QUOTE]
but what if they got another great Center:coleman:
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]but what if they got another great Center:coleman:[/QUOTE]
they did, and his name was Vlade Divac
not only that but they weren't many great Cs drafted in the 90s, especially around the time Magic would have played
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]but what if they got another great Center:coleman:[/QUOTE]
what if this, what if that.... shut the hell up already! :banghead:
[QUOTE=Asukal]what if this, what if that.... shut the hell up already! :banghead:[/QUOTE]
Okay Mr.Salty :coleman:
[QUOTE=livinglegend]Shouldnt they have done worse without the "GOAt"? Stacked?[/QUOTE]
Let's see:
1) They added Toni Kukoc to a very good team. Grant and Armstrong joined Pippen in the All Star Game.
2) They still won 2 games less than the previous year when they COASTED so that Jordan and Pippen wouldn't be worn out from playing a F*CKTON of games in 1992 (NBA Finals AND the Olympics).
3) And they LOST in the Second Round WITHOUT MJ. Matter of fact, it was the only time the Bulls lost to the Knicks during their rivalry.
Funny how the fakkit MJ haters always seem to overlook these facts.
[QUOTE=sportjames23]Let's see:
1) They added Toni Kukoc to a very good team. Grant and Armstrong joined Pippen in the All Star Game.
2) They still won 2 games less than the previous year when they COASTED so that Jordan and Pippen wouldn't be worn out from playing a F*CKTON of games in 1992 (NBA Finals AND the Olympics).
3) And they LOST in the Second Round WITHOUT MJ. Matter of fact, it was the only time the Bulls lost to the Knicks during their rivalry.
Funny how the fakkit MJ haters always seem to overlook these facts.[/QUOTE]
excuses:oldlol: :oldlol: :no:
hey, even if the bulls did win in 94 and 95 it's still mj > bran.
Stacked fvcking team + shitty/weak era.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Because Pippen is an all time great player which defenses hadn't ever had to really game plan for before this. By the next season other teams had figured it out and the Bulls struggled[/QUOTE]
written like someone who actually watched
[QUOTE=The-Legend-24]Stacked fvcking team + shitty/weak era.[/QUOTE]
MJ>Kobe U mad breeh??
cause they had the bat - scottie pip
[QUOTE=jstern]Can someone list the roster from that Bulls team and the one from the previous year. And if possible the one from the following year. I'm curious to also see why they were doing bad the following year.[/QUOTE]
Ive listed that the roster differences many times for you. Why would now be any different?
[QUOTE=The-Legend-24]Stacked fvcking team + shitty/weak era.[/QUOTE]
Care to explain why the Bulls won that amount of games playing in a league with the same amount of teams as the Bad Boy Pistons and late 80s Showtime Lakers?
The 93 Bulls coasted their way to 57 wins. The 94 Bulls worked their asses off for 55. I generally don't read much more into it than that.
Given Pippens maturation, the 93 Bulls were as good or better than they team that won 67 the year before.
As for how Pippen pulled 55 wins out of that cast of characters? He was good, very good.
[B]Why? Simple....[/B]
[IMG]http://static5.bornrichimages.com/wp-content/uploads/s3/2013/06/pippen_allstar_peove.jpg[/IMG]
MJ= overrated that's why. They replaced him with a D-league scrub and won 55 games. Imagine if they replaced his roster spot with someone like Wade, Drexler...or dare I say Lebron or Shaq.
[QUOTE=secund2nun]MJ= overrated that's why. They replaced him with a D-league scrub and won 55 games. Imagine if they replaced his roster spot with someone like Wade, Drexler...or dare I say Lebron or Shaq.[/QUOTE]
[B]MJ is Not Overrated (Only By His Stans)
Its PIPPEN Who is Underrated! Thats All![/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]MJ is Not Overrated (Only By His Stans)
Its PIPPEN Who is Underrated! Thats All![/B][/QUOTE]
I agree. Pippen is underrated probably because scoring is overrated. Most people seem to be MJ stans which is why he is overrated lol.
why is op still a fagggot when not talking about bran?
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Why? Simple....[/B]
[IMG]http://static5.bornrichimages.com/wp-content/uploads/s3/2013/06/pippen_allstar_peove.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The red shoe game! Pip was a great player.
[QUOTE=secund2nun][B]MJ= overrated that's why.[/B] They replaced him with a D-league scrub and won 55 games. Imagine if they replaced his roster spot with someone like Wade, Drexler...or dare I say Lebron or Shaq.[/QUOTE]
This is rediculous. The 94 Bulls were essentially the same team as the 96 Bulls. The difference is an upgrade from Grant to Rodman, Kukoc had a few years under his belt, and Jordan's return.
Id say without Jordan, but with Rodman in place of Grant and Kukoc having had some NBA experience, that team wins 62 games and makes the finals. Possibly win.
[QUOTE=secund2nun]I agree. Pippen is underrated probably because scoring is overrated. Most people seem to be MJ stans which is why he is overrated lol.[/QUOTE]
LOL MJ made Pippen.
Pippen never score more because that's not his Job, its MJ. His Job is to Defend the best player so MJ could use is full energy in scoring.
There's two reason why he's such a good wing defender.
1. Athleticism - (Ofcourse not his first 2 season).
2. MJ - With the athleticism, MJ kick pippen(not only pippen but others too) to work his ass off every day practices.
-Pippen has the luxury to practices and improve his defense against the most skilled offensive player in the league. Its Like in Boxing, MJ is perfect sparring partner to learn and experiment the tendencies and other offensive moves.
[QUOTE=c5terror]LOL MJ made Pippen.
Pippen never score more because that's not his Job, its MJ. His Job is to Defend the best player so MJ could use is full energy in scoring.
There's two reason why he's such a good wing defender.
1. Athleticism - (Ofcourse not his first 2 season).
2. MJ - With the athleticism, MJ kick pippen(not only pippen but others too) to work his ass off every day practices.
-Pippen has the luxury to practices and improve his defense against the most skilled offensive player in the league. Its Like in Boxing, MJ is perfect sparring partner to learn and experiment the tendencies and other offensive moves.[/QUOTE]
Except the most dominate part of Scottie's defense was his help/team defense. He made the biggest impact when he was disrupting a teams entire offense, not defending the best scorer on the other team.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Except the most dominate part of Scottie's defense was his help/team defense. He made the biggest impact when he was disrupting a teams entire offense, not defending the best scorer on the other team.[/QUOTE]
Yes, That's was also MJ's Job before pippen developed. MJ is also above average when it comes to disrupting offense, Pippen also learned that from MJ of course pippen make it better if not equal because of his athleticism.
-3rd alltime leader in steal
-3x steal title
-1x DPOY
-200+steal 100+block in a season(Pippen also achieve this)
1998 --- MJ 34, PIP 32, ROD 36 ===Champion 62-20 75.6%
1999 --- Hakkem 36, PIP 33, Charles 35 == First Round Exit. 31-19 62%
LOL what happen to pippen i thought he'll bring that huge impact he gave on bulls.
[QUOTE=c5terror]1998 --- MJ 34, PIP 32, ROD 36 ===Champion 62-20 75.6%
1999 --- Hakkem 36, PIP 33, Charles 35 == First Round Exit. 31-19 62%
LOL what happen to pippen i thought he'll bring that huge impact he gave on bulls.[/QUOTE]
Wow, someone who clearly didn't watch the playoffs that year. Pip and Chuck went crazy. Hakeem averaged 13 PPG in the playoffs. He was terrible.
You're a joke of a person.
In the third game of that series Pip had 37-13-4 and Chuck had 30-23-5. Hakeem had 5 points.
winning culture.
[QUOTE=c5terror]LOL MJ made Pippen.
Pippen never score more because that's not his Job, its MJ. His Job is to Defend the best player so MJ could use is full energy in scoring.
There's two reason why he's such a good wing defender.
1. Athleticism - (Ofcourse not his first 2 season).
2. MJ - With the athleticism, MJ kick pippen(not only pippen but others too) to work his ass off every day practices.
[B]-Pippen has the luxury to practices and improve his defense against the most skilled offensive player in the league. Its Like in Boxing, MJ is perfect sparring partner to learn and experiment the tendencies and other offensive moves.[/B][/QUOTE]
Pippen helped Jordans game evolve as well
Here's an excerpt from an interview with Phil Jackson
[QUOTE]It was a late fall morning very early in Scottie Pippen’s professional career, as it was for Phil Jackson too, for that matter. The Bulls, at the time, held practices at the Deerfield Multiplex, with the coaches’ offices located just off the baseline, only 12 or so feet away from the court.
When Jackson and his staff emerged a few minutes before practice started, they saw Pippen and Michael Jordan on the side of the court working on a segment of the team’s offense called the “corner series.”
“They were making a reverse pivot and Scottie was going to the basket dunking with his left hand,” Jackson recalled in a phone interview. [B]“Michael was trying to learn from Scottie how to get the steps right to finish with his left hand. That was something that Scottie could do which Michael wanted in his repertoire.”[/B][/QUOTE]
Jordan himself stated that Pippen made him a better player
[B]"I know he makes me a better player. Unfortunately, it may take awhile, after we both retire, for people to realize just how good Scottie Pippen really was." -[/B]
This crazy notion that Pippen was made by Jordan needs to die.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This is rediculous. The 94 Bulls were essentially the same team as the 96 Bulls. The difference is an upgrade from Grant to Rodman, Kukoc had a few years under his belt, and Jordan's return.
Id say without Jordan, but with Rodman in place of Grant and Kukoc having had some NBA experience, that team wins 62 games and makes the finals. Possibly win.[/QUOTE]
I concur, but I think with MJ the team would probably win more games with the 94 roster without Rodman considering how Pippen and Grant were playing, especially defensively. Pippen was in his prime defensively and Grant was playing his best years in 94-96. Of course you had Kerr and Toni Kukoc. And Phil Jackson was still the coach.
[B]Pippen = Greatest Combination of Driving-Ballhandling-Finshing-Offense Creating-Passing AND 1-4 DEFENSE to Ever Play[/B].:bowdown:
[QUOTE=Micku]I concur, but I think with MJ the team would probably win more games with the 94 roster without Rodman considering how Pippen and Grant were playing, especially defensively. Pippen was in his prime defensively and Grant was playing his best years in 94-96. Of course you had Kerr and Toni Kukoc. And Phil Jackson was still the coach.[/QUOTE]
I like Rodman because he could dominate and take over games with his defense and rebounding. I can't see Grant dominating a series the way Rodman did Seattle. Or defend Shaq the way Rodman did.
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Pippen = Greatest Combination of Driving-Ballhandling-Finshing-Offense Creating-Passing AND 1-4 DEFENSE to Ever Play[/B].:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
that would be lebron but thanks for your input
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I like Rodman because he could dominate and take over games with his defense and rebounding. I can't see Grant dominating a series the way Rodman did Seattle. Or defend Shaq the way Rodman did.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying that I don't think they need Rodman with Grant playing like he did in 94 to win. But with Rodman, as you said, will dominate the game with his rebounds. Especially offense rebounds and defense.
Horace Grant was a really good role player, the Bulls were a mediocre team in 1994-95 with Pippen/Kukoc/Armstrong (a shade over .500) until Jordan returned and led them to a 13-4 finish (which is a 63 win pace), so why does Horace Grant not get any love?
The other reason the Bulls did a little better that season is honestly IMO I think some teams took them lightly that year thinking they could cruise into Chicago and mail in a win without Jordan there. The Bulls played their ass off that year because everyone was expecting them to fold and they had a massive chip on their shoulder and I think that caught more than a couple of teams by surprise.
By 1994-95 it was clear Pippen/Kukoc/Armstrong alone couldn't make the Bulls a very good team though. Teams game planned for them more carefully and the loss of Grant made them a mediocre team.
If Jordan hadn't come back that franchise was going nowhere.
[QUOTE=sportjames23]Let's see:
1) They added Toni Kukoc to a very good team. Grant and Armstrong joined Pippen in the All Star Game.
2) They still won 2 games less than the previous year when they COASTED so that Jordan and Pippen wouldn't be worn out from playing a F*CKTON of games in 1992 (NBA Finals AND the Olympics).
[B]3) And they LOST in the Second Round WITHOUT MJ. Matter of fact, it was the only time the Bulls lost to the Knicks during their rivalry.[/B]
Funny how the fakkit MJ haters always seem to overlook these facts.[/QUOTE]
1993 Knicks Bulls series game 5 was rigged.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]What if - and this is just a what if, purely hypothetical question - but what if the greatest player of all time also happened to play for a great team?[/QUOTE]
Jordan stans & Lebron haters when they read your comment :
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