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As has been said, I can see them calling a tech or an offensive foul (since they're clearly ignoring the defensive contact on these plays).
A suspension seems a little overboard - he's clearly throwing his arm to draw contact, but both times this has happened Kobe's obviously focused on the basket, not aiming at the defenders face.
Anyway, since this is how they're going to call it apparently, he'll just have to adjust.
Yet more evidence of the refs coddling Kobe....:rolleyes:
Refs didn't issue the suspension, the league did.
Does any other player have two seperate suspensions this season?
this is BS. Other players do much worse and don't get suspended. Didn't Bron do something shortly after Kobe's first suspension?
Anyway if you watch laker gams with any regularity you'll know he does this a lot. It's almost a habit to the point of becoming a reflex for him. If the league wants him to stop they should just tell him to adjust with a warning as opposed to suspending the guy.
[QUOTE=Laker Logic]
[quote]Yet more evidence of the refs coddling Kobe....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
No, this is evidence of the refs coddling Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVxJWeVcVU[/url]
Wasn't even touched. He's made a habit of this and now he's starting to injure players. I'm all for the league trying to clean this crap up. It's ridiculous. He should have gotten 3 games for stupidity alone.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Refs didn't issue the suspension, the league did.QUOTE]
True, but it's the refs making a judgment call that draws the league's attention. Two judgment calls really, one to ignore the defensive contact and another to whistle Kobe for the offensive. If there's a no-call on the play, highly doubtful he gets suspended.
[QUOTE=shadow]this is BS. Other players do much worse and don't get suspended. Didn't Bron do something shortly after Kobe's first suspension?
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:confusedshrug:
I don't remember anything. Bron doesn't flail his arms like that... especially on a fadeaway. It would be different if Kobe was driving to the basket where more contact tends to occur. He draws so much attention to it by doing it on outside shots.
I don't feel sorry for the guy. Whether you agree with the suspension or not, it should have been clear to Kobe after the first one that the league isn't going to put up with it. This one is just stupidity on Kobe's part. The league didn't really have any other choice but to suspend him.
Just play the game and quit trying to show that there is contact when there isn't any.
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]
No, this is evidence of the refs coddling Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVxJWeVcVU[/url]
Wasn't even touched. He's made a habit of this and now he's starting to injure players. I'm all for the league trying to clean this crap up. It's ridiculous. He should have gotten 3 games for stupidity alone.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, I was searching for that video for a while. Suspension is worthy, it's the second time he's done it already
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjWWPu__xE[/url]
Lebron isnt even close to the ball. Its an above the head play...if you suspend Kobe's, you suspend that...
This might be good for Kobe, considering Michael Redd will be waiting for him :D
On a serious note, I think the suspension is warranted, but as I previously mentioned, there is far worse going on in the league than Kobe's arm flail, and I think we can all agree to that.
Go Lakers :)
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k][QUOTE=Laker Logic]
No, this is evidence of the refs coddling Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVxJWeVcVU[/url]
Wasn't even touched. He's made a habit of this and now he's starting to injure players. I'm all for the league trying to clean this crap up. It's ridiculous. He should have gotten 3 games for stupidity alone.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you posted that, because it's a perfect example of what hes TRYING to do, which is draw a foul and which is what a shooter should do. He's uses the exact same fling of the arm on this play to draw the foul.
Why is is when Wade throws himself into defenders people say "He's just taking advantage of the rules," but when Kobe tries to draw fouls it's treated like evidence he's out to hurt someone?
[QUOTE=hotsizzle][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjWWPu__xE[/url]
Lebron isnt even close to the ball. Its an above the head play...if you suspend Kobe's, you suspend that...[/QUOTE]
Judgement call. If you slow it down enough, it does look malicious, but watching the game in real time, it was obvious that he was just attempting to poke the ball away.
I would not have cried if they would have suspended him over this, though I don't think it was warranted at all. One thing I can assure you of... if they would have suspended him, he wouldn't have done the exact same thing a couple of months later.
This is becoming a trend with Kobe. It is the same exact situation as the first one, which makes it look even less like a coincidence.
No suspension:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nIHCR--Bg[/url]
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k][QUOTE=Laker Logic]
No, this is evidence of the refs coddling Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVxJWeVcVU[/url]
Wasn't even touched. He's made a habit of this and now he's starting to injure players. I'm all for the league trying to clean this crap up. It's ridiculous. He should have gotten 3 games for stupidity alone.[/QUOTE]
That's the worst call I've ever seen, but it's Kobe near the end of the game. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Laker Logic][QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]
I'm glad you posted that, because it's a perfect example of what hes TRYING to do, which is draw a foul and which is what a shooter should do. He's uses the exact same fling of the arm on this play to draw the foul.
Why is is when Wade throws himself into defenders people say "He's just taking advantage of the rules," but when Kobe tries to draw fouls it's treated like evidence he's out to hurt someone?[/QUOTE]
Wade doesn't throw his body into players and have a mid-air seizure. He actually tries to make the shot after receiving the contact or initiating the contact. Kobe is just out to get a cheap whistle and the way he snaps his arm is not normal. Who else in the league snaps their arm back like that? :oldlol:
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Why is is when Wade throws himself into defenders people say "He's just taking advantage of the rules," but when Kobe tries to draw fouls it's treated like evidence he's out to hurt someone?[/quote]
Wade attacks the hoop more than Kobe... Kobe is flailing around out on the perimeter trying get his shots up..
Attacking the rack is "taking advantage of the rules".... Fadeaways from 20 feet are not gonna get you a call..
He really should adjust himself to stop all the flailing....Or better yet, attack the hoop more
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Judgement call. If you slow it down enough, it does look malicious, but watching the game in real time, it was obvious that he was just attempting to poke the ball away.
I would not have cried if they would have suspended him over this, though I don't think it was warranted at all. One thing I can assure you of... if they would have suspended him, he wouldn't have done the exact same thing a couple of months later.
This is becoming a trend with Kobe. It is the same exact situation as the first one, which makes it look even less like a coincidence.[/QUOTE]
haha It makes it seem more and more as a coincidence. WHY would he do it again intentionally when he knows the league is watching him? Its natural to him, he flails his arms. 1) I doubt he goes "Ok, Im gonna hurt you now" in that time span and 2) He wouldn't do it again if it was intentional
[QUOTE=hotsizzle][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxjWWPu__xE[/url]
Lebron isnt even close to the ball. Its an above the head play...if you suspend Kobe's, you suspend that...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Laker Logic]I'm glad you posted that, because it's a perfect example of what hes TRYING to do, which is draw a foul and which is what a shooter should do. He's uses the exact same fling of the arm on this play to draw the foul.
Why is is when Wade throws himself into defenders people say "He's just taking advantage of the rules," but when Kobe tries to draw fouls it's treated like evidence he's out to hurt someone?[/QUOTE]
Even if it's what he's trying to do (draw a foul) it's not what he should do. I don't know where you got the idea that flopping (which is exactly what that is) is the proper thing to do, but you're mistaken. It's basically trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the refs. Another way to word it is... well... cheating. There's no room for that kind of crap on the defensive end, nor the offensive end. It's disgusting to watch.
Only Wade knob gobblers defend the way he plays & goes to the line. Are you in denial? Most of this board hates the way Wade goes to the FT line all game long and gets phantom calls.
****ing irrational Kobe fan... still haven't changed a bit. You're no better than the Wade fans.
[QUOTE]Wade doesn't throw his body into players[/QUOTE]
I think Dirk would disagree.
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and have a mid-air seizure. He actually tries to make the shot after receiving the contact or initiating the contact. [/QUOTE]
So you don't think Kobe was trying to make those shots? That's funny since he's flailing the arm after the shot's already off, while Wade will jump into players and then throw the ball up over his shoulder frequently. And guess what, I don't have a problem with it. If you can draw a foul you should. My problem is with the way people interpret two players doing the same thing...exaggerating or trying to draw contact to get a foul called where there wasn't one.
[QUOTE]Kobe is just out to get a cheap whistle and the way he snaps his arm is not normal. Who else in the league snaps their arm back like that? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Kobe does a lot of things that other players in the league don't do, and I guess this is as good a place as any for you to insert the obvious rape joke. It has to come sooner or later, might as well be now.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:, and people wonder why no one likes Kobe or his delusional fans. Damn, these dudes everything this guy does. :confusedshrug:
Before you even respond, let me stop myself. Your name is Laker Logic. That in itself has always said enough about the way you... or the way you don't, more accurately, think. I should be drug out into the street and shot for even bothering.
[QUOTE]Wade attacks the hoop more than Kobe... Kobe is flailing around out on the perimeter trying get his shots up..[/QUOTE]
Kobe attacks the rim plenty. Not play-for-play with Wade, but he has a harder time drawing fouls going to the rim sometimes than he does from the perimeter. He's also a better outside shooter than Wade, so it's no surprise he shoots from outside more.
[QUOTE]Attacking the rack is "taking advantage of the rules".... Fadeaways from 20 feet are not gonna get you a call..[/QUOTE]
It got him a call on the clip somebody just posted from the Utah game. Next theory, please.
[QUOTE]He really should adjust himself to stop all the flailing....Or better yet, attack the hoop more[/QUOTE]
I said in my first post in this thread that he's going to have to adjust, and I'm sure he will. Not the end of the world.
This was obvious. Why the hell did they just throw his arms back for no reason? Funny how right when he did that, he was free to grab the ball.
[QUOTE=SCREWstonRockets]This was obvious. Why the hell did they just throw his arms back for no reason? Funny how right when he did that, he was free to grab the ball.[/QUOTE]
No reason?
Its called to draw a foul.
[QUOTE=Vendetta]Before you even respond, let me stop myself. Your name is Laker Logic. That in itself has always said enough about the way you... or the way you don't, more accurately, think. I should be drug out into the street and shot for even bothering.[/QUOTE]
...and your name is Shogon Ramen or something nonsensical...isn't it? And you cut your hair with a cereal bowl and are a virgin at 30 aren't you? What does that say about your reasoning ability oh wise one?
You're telling me that an offensive player, with the choice between a 2 point play and a possible three point play, should not try to draw a foul if they can? Okay Einstein. Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and every other Hall of Famer should be yanked from the Hall tomorrow for drawing fouls where none happened then, because that doesn't fit your little naive picture of how the game is played.
Idiot.
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]Its called to draw a foul.[/QUOTE]
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[I]"Why didn't we think of that?"[/I]
Don't know if it's been posterd yet, but Kobe has received a one game suspension to be served tonight versus the Bucks. I got this from AM xtra sports 570 here in Southern Cali.
I'm not the biggest Kobe fan in the world, but I don't think he should have been suspended.
kobe fans should be happy, hes only suspended for one game big deal. usually when you get suspended for something and then do the same thing three weeks later you get an increase in your previous punishment.
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]No reason?
Its called to draw a foul.[/QUOTE]
Hitting someone else is going to net you a call? Wow.
[QUOTE=Spike Spiegel]Hitting someone else is going to net you a call? Wow.[/QUOTE]
I mean he fails his arm to draw a foul. He doesnt do it for no reason.
[quote]You're telling me that an offensive player, with the choice between a 2 point play and a possible three point play, should not try to draw a foul if they can? Okay Einstein. Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and every other Hall of Famer should be yanked from the Hall tomorrow for drawing fouls where none happened then, because that doesn't fit your little naive picture of how the game is played.[/quote]
Stop it.... Michael & Larry & Reggie didnt regularly hit people in the face with their flailing arms...
you yourself agree that kobe needs to adjust... and that is the bottom line here... Kobe needs to simply [b]Stop all the flailing and hitting people in the face..[/b]
Its not Wade, Bird & Michael Jordan's fault Kobe cant properly draw a foul...Its not the refs fault either..Its Kobe's
I think the suspension is uneccesary, but kobe is not doing the same thing Bird & Jordan and Reggie and Wade have done..
He is making a foul look like a flagrant foul
I guess Kobe hates international players.
I just want to know this...Do people on here think hes doing it on PURPOSE with an intent to hurt OR do they think hes trying to draw foul and should quit?
I'm a big kobe fan but I'm sick of him being a dirty player, this guy have no respect for anybody, he needs to be discipline, if I'm the Lakers management I would suspend him at least 10 games detrimental to the team, his actions are uncalled for.
[quote] do they think hes trying to draw foul and should quit?[/quote]
I dont think its either of the 2... I think its just a reflex where he tries to clear out with that arm like players do when they drive the lane...
Its not trying to draw a foul as much as looks like hes trying to avoid having the shot contested or blocked and his clear-out motion with his arm is something that he does almost unconsciously..
he still has to fix it tho
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]:confusedshrug:
I don't remember anything. Bron doesn't flail his arms like that... especially on a fadeaway. It would be different if Kobe was driving to the basket where more contact tends to occur. He draws so much attention to it by doing it on outside shots.
I don't feel sorry for the guy. Whether you agree with the suspension or not, it should have been clear to Kobe after the first one that the league isn't going to put up with it. This one is just stupidity on Kobe's part. The league didn't really have any other choice but to suspend him.
Just play the game and quit trying to show that there is contact when there isn't any.[/QUOTE]
I understand that and I agree it
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Stop it.... Michael & Larry & Reggie didnt regularly hit people in the face with their flailing arms...
you yourself agree that kobe needs to adjust... and that is the bottom line here... Kobe needs to simply [b]Stop all the flailing and hitting people in the face..[/b]
Its not Wade, Bird & Michael Jordan's fault Kobe cant properly draw a foul...Its not the refs fault either..Its Kobe's
I think the suspension is uneccesary, but kobe is not doing the same thing Bird & Jordan and Reggie and Wade have done..
He is making a foul look like a flagrant foul[/QUOTE]
No - you stop it. In that post I wasn't defending Kobe's specific practice of flailing his arms, which I've already said he needs to adjust. I was defending the general practice of offensive players doing what they can to draw fouls, in response to this post from Shogun...
[QUOTE]Even if it's what he's trying to do (draw a foul) it's not what he should do. I don't know where you got the idea that flopping (which is exactly what that is) is the proper thing to do, but you're mistaken. [B]It's basically trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the refs. Another way to word it is... well... cheating. There's no room for that kind of crap on the defensive end, nor the offensive end. It's disgusting to watch.
Only Wade knob gobblers defend the way he plays & goes to the line.[/B] Are you in denial? Most of this board hates the way Wade goes to the FT line all game long and gets phantom calls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hotsizzle]I just want to know this...Do people on here think hes doing it on PURPOSE with an intent to hurt OR do they think hes trying to draw foul and should quit?[/QUOTE]
I think it is a combination. Is he purposely hitting people in the face? Probably not. Does he get frustrated when his shot is blocked in crucial situations? Probably.
[B]As a Laker fan it sickens me to see kobe resort to hurting other players to get even, from Miller, Ginobili, AK47, and now Jaric, he is supposed to be a model player emulate by kids but for him to do this, it just not right, he needs to apologize and change his ways.[/B]