Vintage NBA: George Mikan

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]If you saw pics - taken with an old camera - from Marc Gasol, Kevin Love or David Lee (like I've posted, for example), without having no idea who they were or what they could do, you would say the same though...

But keep talking (ignorant) shit for the **** of it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Lol you actually think they'd be good in this era? You're just mad as hell. I just watch Mikan's highlights and that dude played with 0 defense. A bunch of slow, weak, small guys. Im not the only one saying this. Mikan was also toothpick skinny

and why do you care what I say? :lol :lol
You're acting like I just killed your family

[QUOTE=Smook A.]Lol you actually think they'd be good in this era? You're just mad as hell. I just watch Mikan's highlights and that dude played with 0 defense. A bunch of slow, weak, small guys. Im not the only one saying this. Mikan was also toothpick skinny

and why do you care what I say? :lol :lol
You're acting like I just killed your family[/QUOTE]

[B]Duck the point I was making tough, and I'm the one who's mad :lol

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Thanks for posting. Nice highlights video, people should check it out.

If you watch his highlights, you can see that he looks pretty skilled and smart, with some nice moves and a soft touch around the rim including a good hook-shot (good FT shooter too, underhanded), plus he was 6'10, 250 lbs while pretty mobile - all of this, at least to me. One would think he would be good regardless - even a good starting C nowadays, if he grew up in this era and dedicated his life to basketball - but you can say the shot-clock affected his play considerably, even though he was on the decline before and hadn't play for year.. So, I wouldn't "vouch for him" really, although it's more like a can't tell situation.

Of course ignorant people will just say that he would straight up suck no matter what, not even knowing what they're talking about in reality. They will also talk that (mostly) bullshit about the athleticism and whatnot, when dudes like Marc Gasol, Perkins, Splitter or Pekovic "can be" starting centers in this league. Same old same, it is what it is.[/B][/QUOTE]


As for Lovellette, I think he could definitely be a good starting PF/C if he grew up in this era, while dedicating himself to basketball, yea.

If players like Love, Gasol, Nash or Dirk, for example, played back in the 60's, and if you've saw a couple of grainy-footage highlights from them, along with some old pictures.. you'd be saying the same exact things about them. This is just an "example", don't take the comparisons to the extreme though, but it paints a good picture. It's saddening with some of you ignorant children but it's just the way it is.[/B]

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Duck the point I was making tough, and I'm the one who's mad :lol

As for Lovellette, I think he could definitely be a good starting PF/C if he grew up in this era, while dedicating himself to basketball, yea.

If players like Love, Gasol, Nash or Dirk, for example, played back in the 60's, and if you've saw a couple of grainy-footage highlights from them, along with some old pictures.. you'd be saying the same exact things about them. This is just an "example", don't take the comparisons to the extreme though, but it paints a good picture. It's saddening with some of you ignorant children but it's just the way it is.[/B][/QUOTE]

nig you salty as hell and apparently you can't read for shits.

I don't give no fukcs that 90% of center skillset wasn't teached in his era, we talkin bout now in this league so we compare him to what is now not what ifs. Here's a what if. What if he couldn't apply these magically new acquired skills due to proven low mobility? Or what if he couldn't pull them off in games due to very probable low strength? Or what if he couldn't even stay in games due to being destroyed on defence? Or being too slow to guard his man.
[I]What if he decided the librarian life suits him better tbh?[/I]
Much more probable.

I posted pictures of his physique because given his proven skill set (very low btw) and low athleticism/mobility/hops (from highlights) he not doing shit without a huge physical advantage. But guess what doe? He a toothpick with a high center of gravity. Yet you think you're smart posting pictures of guys who have enormouse size/length/skiill advantge in the gasol brothers or davis lee who is athletic as fukc and very mobile. You kiddin me? :lol

If players like nash/love/gasol/etc would have grainy film you would see they had elite competition. You would see elite ball handling and shooting. You would see an elite post game for gasol and a magnificent high post game for dirk. You would see exceptional ball handling. You would see them playing plays. You would see absolutely elite mobility and coordination. You would see textbook boxing out and lower body strength at love. You would see alot tbh. [COLOR="Lime"]Great comparison btw[/COLOR] :lol :lol

and lmao @durant .. that's like comparing a starving caveman to a nasa scientiest from a game comparison.

The fact that you can come back only with personal shit calling people 12 without argumenting properly just shows what a self-entitled cuckolded sissy you are, prolly reaching senility at retirement age.

Might as well recommend you this
[img]http://minorproblems.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/retirement-home.jpg[/img]

Nigggas im done with this thread. Soon jlauber/lazaereus gon come out of nowhere with 6k word essay :lol

[QUOTE=swagga]nig you salty as hell and apparently you can't read for shits.

I don't give no fukcs that 90% of center skillset wasn't teached in his era, we talkin bout now in this league so we compare him to what is now not what ifs. Here's a what if. What if he couldn't apply these magically new acquired skills due to proven low mobility? Or what if he couldn't pull them off in games due to very probable low strength? Or what if he couldn't even stay in games due to being destroyed on defence? Or being too slow to guard his man.
[I]What if he decided the librarian life suits him better tbh?[/I]
Much more probable.

I posted pictures of his physique because given his proven skill set (very low btw) and low athleticism/mobility/hops (from highlights) he not doing shit without a huge physical advantage. But guess what doe? He a toothpick with a high center of gravity. Yet you think you're smart posting pictures of guys who have enormouse size/length/skiill advantge in the gasol brothers or davis lee who is athletic as fukc and very mobile. You kiddin me? :lol

If players like nash/love/gasol/etc would have grainy film you would see they had elite competition. You would see elite ball handling and shooting. You would see an elite post game for gasol and a magnificent high post game for dirk. You would see exceptional ball handling. You would see them playing plays. You would see absolutely elite mobility and coordination. You would see textbook boxing out and lower body strength at love. You would see alot tbh. [COLOR="Lime"]Great comparison btw[/COLOR] :lol :lol

and lmao @durant .. that's like comparing a starving caveman to a nasa scientiest from a game comparison.

The fact that you can come back only with personal shit calling people 12 without argumenting properly just shows what a self-entitled cuckolded sissy you are, prolly reaching senility at retirement age.

Might as well recommend you this
[img]http://minorproblems.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/retirement-home.jpg[/img]

Nigggas im done with this thread. Soon jlauber/lazaereus gon come out of nowhere with 6k word essay :lol[/QUOTE]
Personally I dont think they would be stars but would make the league...And would be very serviceable if put in right situation.


Side question, how do you think Pekovic, Laimbeer and Olynyk would do as is in the 50s and 60s?

[QUOTE=swagga]and lmao @durant .. that's like comparing a starving caveman to a nasa scientiest from a game comparison.
[/QUOTE]

That might be the f*cking worst, most nonsensical simile I've ever read.

What the f*ck do you asshats get out of degrading past players? LeBron is a choker whether or not Mikan was good. Kobe's still a chucking rapist.

It's stupid.

You're stupid.

I hope you drown in a bucket of jizz.

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]If you saw pics - taken with an old camera - from Marc Gasol, Kevin Love or David Lee (like I've posted, for example), without having no idea who they were or what they could do, you would say the same though...

But keep talking (ignorant) shit for the **** of it.[/B][/QUOTE]

black and white photography actually enhances muscle definition because it accentuates shadow contrasts.

lol @ this dude actually arguing pre-integration players would have similar success in the modern league.

[QUOTE=jongib369]Personally I dont think they would be stars but would make the league...And would be very serviceable if put in right situation.


Side question, how do you think Pekovic, Laimbeer and Olynyk would do as is in the 50s and 60s?[/QUOTE]

pekovic is a monster with .74 FT with a relatively reliable jumper. 1v1 when he gets position he scores on anybody in the league right now (vs perkins, vs dwight, vs deandre, vs noah, vs gasols, etc) so imagine this dude in a world without double teaming where people are much less athletic and strong. :lol

In the no defense, no double-team, no real rim attacking 50s and 60s he would the freaking GOAT. All his defensive deficiencies (rim protection, positional defense) would be all but negated and his offensive proficiency would be maximized by the lack of height/size, double teams and zones.

Laimbeer would revolutionize the game with his shooting, he would simply shoot over alot of people as defenses wouldn't know what to do with him. His rebounding rate would probably make him one of the leaders in rebounding (up there with wilt and russell) .. see this: [url]http://doubledribble.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/nba-stars-of-1960s-pace-adjusted-stats/[/url]
So a perennial MVP candidate and dominating force.

I've not seen much of olynik so dunno bout this one.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]That might be the f*cking worst, most nonsensical simile I've ever read.

What the f*ck do you asshats get out of degrading past players? LeBron is a choker whether or not Mikan was good. Kobe's still a chucking rapist.

It's stupid.

You're stupid.

I hope you drown in a bucket of jizz.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes grading is degrading for guys playing an inferior game. The rule of evolution. The caveman is not as intelligent as the man today.. though judging by your post there might be outliers :roll:

Anyways..you know what's ****ing worst? A faggt like you bringing NO ARGUMENT but still talking shit like I just called out his family. That's called being SHOOK bro. SHOOK.
Stay mad :lol

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[IMG]https://www.toledoblade.com/image/2008/02/16/800x_b1_cCM_z/Geroge-Mikan-Nat-Clifton-Babe-Pressley-Slater-Martin.jpg[/IMG]
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from left to right: mailman, horse trainer, pornography historian and mall santa in today's era[/CENTER]

[QUOTE=swagga]Sometimes grading is degrading for guys playing an inferior game. The rule of evolution. The caveman is not as intelligent as the man today.. though judging by your post there might be outliers :roll:

Anyways..you know what's ****ing worst? A faggt like you bringing NO ARGUMENT but still talking shit like I just called out his family. That's called being SHOOK bro. SHOOK.
Stay mad :lol[/QUOTE]

You started calling people names because they said a player you've never watched would be okay. You're a moron.

Between your poor grammar and retarded logic I'm surprised you can even turn on a computer. Oh wait, you said you were 'done' in this thread and then responded multiple times. Great job.

Are you so stupid that you think the skill set of a caveman isn't better in areas than now? Tell me, how much Gortex and Cheerios did they have during the ice age to keep them alive? Yet, they survived and excelled.

You claim I have no argument, when I said, "Aaron Gray plays today." But you come in saying, "LOL OLD STUFF SUCKZ."

You think a legitimate 6'10" athlete from 60 years ago couldn't play a game where Hasheem Thabeet, Aaron Gray and Dexter Pittman play? Look out for those elite world beaters.

Evolution isn't a rule either, it's a God damned theory. The game evolved, not humanity you jag.

Please kill yourself.

[IMG]http://legendaryauctions.com/ItemImages/000153/153091a_lg.jpeg[/IMG]

Cool picture.

[QUOTE=swagga]pekovic is a monster with .74 FT with a relatively reliable jumper. 1v1 when he gets position he scores on anybody in the league right now (vs perkins, vs dwight, vs deandre, vs noah, vs gasols, etc) so imagine this dude in a world without double teaming where people are much less athletic and strong. :lol

In the no defense, no double-team, no real rim attacking 50s and 60s he would the freaking GOAT. All his defensive deficiencies (rim protection, positional defense) would be all but negated and his offensive proficiency would be maximized by the lack of height/size, double teams and zones.

Laimbeer would revolutionize the game with his shooting, he would simply shoot over alot of people as defenses wouldn't know what to do with him. His rebounding rate would probably make him one of the leaders in rebounding (up there with wilt and russell) .. see this: [url]http://doubledribble.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/nba-stars-of-1960s-pace-adjusted-stats/[/url]
So a perennial MVP candidate and dominating force.

I've not seen much of olynik so dunno bout this one.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]You started calling people names because they said a player you've never watched would be okay. You're a moron.

Between your poor grammar and retarded logic I'm surprised you can even turn on a computer. Oh wait, you said you were 'done' in this thread and then responded multiple times. Great job.

Are you so stupid that you think the skill set of a caveman isn't better in areas than now? Tell me, how much Gortex and Cheerios did they have during the ice age to keep them alive? Yet, they survived and excelled.

You claim I have no argument, when I said, "Aaron Gray plays today." But you come in saying, "LOL OLD STUFF SUCKZ."

You think a legitimate 6'10" athlete from 60 years ago couldn't play a game where Hasheem Thabeet, Aaron Gray and Dexter Pittman play? Look out for those elite world beaters.

Evolution isn't a rule either, it's a God damned theory. The game evolved, not humanity you jag.

Please kill yourself.[/QUOTE]

look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol

[QUOTE=swagga]look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your opinion, what do you think of these games? First is shorter, but the second is an all around better game...Reed and Kareem go at it

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgynFUSJjg[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ[/url]

[QUOTE=jongib369]Thanks for your opinion, what do you think of these games? First is shorter, but the second is an all around better game...Reed and Kareem go at it

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgynFUSJjg[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ[/url][/QUOTE]

[B]Why are you looking for an ignorant kid's opinion? Dude who most likely never played organized basketball in his life, who knows nothing about the game and only started to watch recently. Seriously? :facepalm [/B]

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Why are you looking for an ignorant kid's opinion? Dude who most likely never played organized basketball in his life, who knows nothing about the game and only started to watch recently. Seriously? :facepalm [/B][/QUOTE]
It's not that I agree with him, just like hearing other peoples opinion. Even if to some they're absurd

[QUOTE=swagga]look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol[/QUOTE]

Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
:applause: wow that is enough ether to kill 10 men :oldlol:

[QUOTE=jongib369]It's not that I agree with him, just like hearing other peoples opinion. Even if to some they're absurd[/QUOTE]

[B]I like to hear different opinions only when a certain person knows what he's talking about and when they're objective, not just saying stuff for the **** of it, or hating. This is a hyperbole - and yet again maybe not :lol - but I wouldn't go around asking nuclear physics to a grade school kid, who finds everything funny, let's say.[/B]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]

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[B]that shit that make your soul burn slow[/B]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. [B]People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters.[/B] They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://youtu.be/hp0O1PpA3UU[/url]


O_O

[QUOTE=jongib369]Thanks for your opinion, what do you think of these games? First is shorter, but the second is an all around better game...Reed and Kareem go at it

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgynFUSJjg[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ[/url][/QUOTE]

a completely different type of game from what I see... unfortunately I don;t have much time to view them right now. From what I see that type of game is much more appliable today.
Reed and Kareem would no doubt be great players today.
Kareem is GOAT imo.

nice vids btw.

Mikan did a lot of great things (and if you include BAA+NBL, that's 6 titles, two threepeats). In general though I'm very hesitant about pre-shot clock guys (especially considering Mikan wasn't considered the most mobile of big men; pretty fluid for the position back in the day though), so I don't want to speculate as to his place in today's game.

Either way, great videos and links in this thread. :applause:

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.
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i use the available information. I don't make shit up like players might learn something and judge by that. I judge by what is proven. You brought players into the discussion and I told you what they bring to the table that 50s guys did not.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.
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The game has evolved beyond rules. The game favors a distinct type of players, some like wilt and russell have the gifts to play in all eras, others like mikan would simply not adapt due to all the things I already pointed out.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.
[/QUOTE]
they do when you lack skills. Pau Gasol is a ****ing elite post player at 7'1' with retardo length that can put the ball on the floor and that has a high post game. We're talking about a primary option for a team that almost beat team usa twice, one of the most skilled players to ever play.
Kevin Durant has a ridiculous first step at 6'10'... isn't that athleticism idiot?

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them.
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alot of the guys are at most comfort when they shoot from the shoulder/ from lower head level. Against current defenses that is simply not gonna cut it.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot.
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the league is crazy athletic now and the rules have been changed in order to free the lane, therefore such players can get away with not having correct footwork. Sure it would be helpful to have footwork, but as it stands today it is unfortunately not mandated by the rule-favored style of play.
Lebron/Jeff Green/Dwight/Rondo are all athletic freaks with insane vert btw.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video.
[QUOTE]
there was very little catch and shoot and the spacing was shit.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots.
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the man defense was atrocious with many absolutely comic lane penetrations imo.
how about fronting the post?
how about not helping one pass away from the shooters?
how about using a traping zone on those helpless guards?
because the game was inferior and it did not properly use spacing, because prolly those guys were bad shooters, because because because..

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.
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i'll give that they were running basic set plays, when I'm refering to plays I'm refering to stuff like elevator, hammer, horns, princeton schema, screening the screener, screening for low post position etc. Something that has multiple options, is flexible, etc. Not post up pass around the perimeter, establish position again, post up. That's rudimentary.
and the guy guarding mikan should learn to front the post imo
they ran zero plays for shooters, they did not maximize spacing like today
a floater from 15 feet will never be a high percentage shot or a shot that should ever be encouraged.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.
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NEVER DID I SAY THAT HE GETS TO TRAIN. That implies that he can learn and apply all those moves in the first place. Because then we'd be judging nothing but IFs. I'm judgeing his game by what the tape shows, nothing more nothing less.
And btw given his constituion I don't see him as a strong low post scorer (Explained this 10 times already)

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.
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Again, I am judging based on what the player shows, not based on IF HE TRAINED with modern means. He was great back then, hats off. It don't mean his game would matter today. I don't assume shit. From the first post I said HIS GAME, not his ASSUMED/HYPOTHETICAL/POSSIBLE/POTENTIAL game. I said his game, what he showed in the video.
And the competition in the video is pathethic sincerely.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.
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playing fast? :lol
the ball security in that video is sad
the ball handling is absolutely primitive
the 25ft shots were bailouts they had no tactics/spacing/plays because of lack of shooting skill and thus a lack of better spacing. Again 20ft floaters are not good shots as you hopefully know since you pretend to have played organized ball. Good basketball is based on easy shots no hard shots, so you basically imply they were taking bad shots....
and shitloads of players use the backboard today but you don't see it so much because the long 2p is one of the most inefficient shots today.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]
This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
slightly different rules??? 3pt line, zone rules, etc, those are game changers
no shooting/no spacing
no complex plays that can collapse a defense with multiple options
no athleticism
no rim defense
those guards would turn the ball over so much today I don't even want to go there
how the fukc is that good basketball? it's primitive basketball, it's nice solid and fundamental and it's great for primary school. It was GREAT back then but now it simply does not cut it. What's so hard to understand, I'm not against the guy I'm just saying his type of game would not be relevant today and his defficiencies would kill his role in this league.

and at the rest of the dickriders in this thread: great contribution does. Ether my ass :roll:

The fun part about criticizing older players for taking difficult shots is that, when they are in fact taking easy shots they'll still criticize them because "anyone can do it" and it doesn't look impressive enough.

Old player makes a tough shot > But it's a bailout!
Old player makes a layup > But it's only a layup!

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]black and white photography actually enhances muscle definition because it accentuates shadow contrasts.

[B]lol @ this dude actually arguing pre-integration players would have similar success in the modern league[/B].[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...read the very first post.

He dominated the HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS for cryingoutloud.