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I love this idea. Only problem like others have stated is the traveling.
To solve the traveling I say they give those series an extra day of rest or have them meet in a neutral arena(this would be a problem cause it would eliminate home court advantage)
So I say just give those series that has to go from East to West or vice versa a extra day in between games
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]I am a wimp?
I am not the one complaining about the western team "having a harder path" to the finals.
Man up. If your western team is better...then in the finals they will prove it.
Stop making excuses.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330113&page=1&pp=15[/url]
East teams get to rest their guys. West teams are fighting a ****ing massacre.
We get it kid, you aren't going to change your mind.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]I guess I fail to see the point. If the west is superior, then the west team will b*tch slap the eastern team comes the finals.
Should the University of Georgia football team complain that they have to play in the SEC?
No. If UGA cannot beat Alabama in the SEC championship, then who cares that they could beat Notre Dame should they meet in the Championship?
The point is...UGA is not the best team. If they were, they would be Champions.[/QUOTE]
You [I]are[/I] completely missing the point, I mean you're arguing for a watered down product just because the finals will present the same matchup.
Not going to bring college sports into it because that's entirely different as there are hundreds of teams playing school sports.
NBA is a pro league with only 32 top professional teams.
There's is more to a sports league than just who wins in the end.
Minnesota wins more games than teams making the playoffs in the east, they deserve recognition for being better than those teams. They deserve the extra money that comes with making the playoffs. All this goes for any team that competes better.
Instead Minnesota and Phoenix will end up in the worst positions in the NBA, because the day the regular season ends the standings is flipped for non-playoff teams in terms of importane.
Suck enough in the NBA and you get rewarded, suck in the English Premier League and you get booted out of the league for at least a year.
lol Spurs had it just as easy or even easier than the heat/pacers last year...they basically swept their way to the finals
and its a myth that western conference is harder to play in than the east...while west teams are a lot more potent offensively, the east teams play a more physical defensive style.
The only issue I have with this is the entire season would have to be reworked. You can no longer have east teams playing each other 4x and the west teams 2x (and vice versa)
It would have to be evenly split (or as even as you can possibly work it with arena bookings and travel and the like)
Travel would be a bitch, but the NBA is already going back to the 2-2-1-1-1 for the finals, which last I checked is one East team vs. one West team
[QUOTE=D.J.]Only issue I have is travel. Picture that format with the Knicks playing the Lakers the 1st round, then Golden State. Or the Lakers playing the Knicks the 1st round, then having to play Boston. In terms of travel, the current system is much better.[/QUOTE]
I would certainly like the format change, for it certainly will boost the quality of the playoffs and make things more competitive. Similarly for allstar selection, the conference format just favors the east.
But this post right here makes so much sense too.
[QUOTE=Solefade]lol Spurs had it just as easy or even easier than the heat/pacers last year...they basically swept their way to the finals
and its a myth that western conference is harder to play in than the east...while west teams are a lot more potent offensively, the east teams play a more physical defensive style.[/QUOTE]
6 game series w/multiple OT = sweep?
And you're proving the point. Spurs had an "easy" WCF because they avoided OKC, who were beaten by the Grizz. OKC matches up well vs. the Spurs and had previously knocked them out of the finals. East teams don't have to worry about matchups.
Oh and let's not forget that your last statement is total bullsh1t, considering that the Grizz are a top 3 tough, brutal, physical defensive team who played very rough D on the spurs, even if it was a 5 game series.
[QUOTE=Droid101]This isn't about my Western team. This is about liking to watch the best teams play the best teams to see who wins. Nobody who lives outside of Georgia wants to see Atlanta in the playoffs over the Suns. Nobody.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I can understand that.
But then the Suns should learn how to be one of top 8 teams out of a 16 team conference.
And let's be honest. This is only about seeing the Heat play "good" teams as evident by the OP and others only mentioning potential Heat match ups.
Nobody will care if the Pacers face 2 "garbage" east team prior to the ECF. ISH would lose their shet if Miami plays 2 "garbage" east teams prior to the ECF.
[QUOTE=oarabbus][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330113&page=1&pp=15[/url]
East teams get to rest their guys. West teams are fighting a ****ing massacre.
We get it kid, you aren't going to change your mind.[/QUOTE]
And as a 49ers fan it would have been great to get some rest for our main guys instead of fighting a ****ing massacre in the NFCW.
Man, why couldn't we be the Patriots and play in the AFCE with the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills.
:cry:
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]And as a 49ers fan it would have been great to get some rest for our main guys instead of fighting a ****ing massacre in the NFCW.
Man, why couldn't we be the Patriots and play in the AFCE with the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills.
:cry:[/QUOTE]
The NFL has much better parity than the NBA, so your points are irrelevant. Not to mention differences in playoff format.
Oh, and you're a Heat and Niners fan, who went to FSU, huh? :coleman:
Us true Niners fans know whats up when someone shows up and the Bulls, Heat, or Lakers is their favorite basketball team.
edit: and since you seem to be missing the point, it's bullsh1t that the Pacers have such an easy road to the ECF as well. Don't try to make this about the Heat. It isn't.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]Okay, I can understand that.
But then the Suns should learn how to be one of top 8 teams out of a 16 team conference.
[B]And let's be honest. This is only about seeing the Heat play "good" teams as evident by the OP and others only mentioning potential Heat match ups.[/B]
Nobody will care if the Pacers face 2 "garbage" east team prior to the ECF. ISH would lose their shet if Miami plays 2 "garbage" east teams prior to the ECF.[/QUOTE]
People care about a league that applaudes winning instead of losing, you can't see past it because of the 13 year old fan mentality.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]You [I]are[/I] completely missing the point, I mean you're arguing for a watered down product just because the finals will present the same matchup.
Not going to bring college sports into it because that's entirely different as there are hundreds of teams playing school sports.
NBA is a pro league with only 32 top professional teams.
There's is more to a sports league than just who wins in the end.
Minnesota wins more games than teams making the playoffs in the east, they deserve recognition for being better than those teams. They deserve the extra money that comes with making the playoffs. All this goes for any team that competes better.
Instead Minnesota and Phoenix will end up in the worst positions in the NBA, because the day the regular season ends the standings is flipped for non-playoff teams in terms of importane.
Suck enough in the NBA and you get rewarded, suck in the English Premier League and you get booted out of the league for at least a year.[/QUOTE]
No they don't. Minnesota, if you want to make the playoffs, finish better than 1/2 your conference. Same for Phoenix.
This also works in my world. A Duke law student that graduates in the bottom 1/2 of his class is generally not as competitive as a student from Houston that graduates in the top 1/2 of his.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]No they don't. Minnesota, if you want to make the playoffs, finish better than 1/2 your conference. Same for Phoenix.
This also works in my world. A Duke law student that graduates in the bottom 1/2 of his class is generally not as competitive as a student from Houston that graduates in the top 1/2 of his.[/QUOTE]
You're implying Phoenix and Minnesota aren't as competitive as the weakest eastern conference teams.. I don't even know what to say, I mean they've won more games with a tougher schedule...
Figures. Only Heat fans would be against this. :roll:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Figures. Only Heat fans would be against this. :roll:[/QUOTE]
I hate the Heat as much as anyone, and I am against this.
There is literally zero precedent for this in any of the major US sports leagues. All of them use separate leagues/conferences, and have the winner of each meet in the finals.
Check that. Heat fans and one imbecile.
Completely agree with op.Not just for playoff seedings there should be no conferences or divisions,period.In the age of liar jets the travel excuse doesnt make any sense.Teams should face each other three times in the regular season and best 16 advance to the playoffs.
How can anyone be against this. Its completely unfair that one of the 10 best teams in the league wont be in the playoff b/c one of the conferences is so fcking horrible
Please sign me up for this.
TIRED of watching uninteresting first round matchups in the east year after year.
[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]How can anyone be against this. Its completely unfair that one of the 10 best teams in the league wont be in the playoff b/c one of the conferences is so fcking horrible[/QUOTE]
As a Nets fan, I wouldn't want back-to-back matchups against say the Lakers and Warriors. They would never go all the way if they had to do that.
[QUOTE=mr.big35]why change something that is not broken[/QUOTE]
This would be changing something that IS broken, so what's the point of your post?
Bump. Atlanta and Charlotte should not be in the playoffs when Dallas would be 3rd in the East.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Figures. Only Heat fans would be against this. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Funny. The OP explicitly wants this change because he believes this a way to "expose" the Heat. This is the reasoning he gave. The Heat.
So if someone at your job wants to change company policy only because they specifically believe it will "expose" you (basically targeting you), are you inclined to support that proposal?
lol imagine the travel involved in that LA - TOR matchup
2-2-1-1-1 wouldnt work for that series.
[QUOTE=NustABut]lol imagine the travel involved in that LA - TOR matchup
2-2-1-1-1 wouldnt work for that series.[/QUOTE]
Why is Portland - New Orleans any better?
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Nope. The NBA already does the best job of crowning the rightful champion. [B]There are no flukes, unlike pretty much every other major sport. [/B]A hot pitcher or hot goalie can't carry you to a title, nor is it decided by one and done like the Super Bowl or NCAA.[/QUOTE]
This is why I especially hate the NFL. The entire season is irrelevant because one hot game by a inferior team can make them the champion. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. A championship is meaningless.
Wish this would happen to would make the playoffs more fun to watch.
[QUOTE=secund2nun]This is why I especially hate the NFL. The entire season is irrelevant because one hot game by a inferior team can make them the champion. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. A championship is meaningless.[/QUOTE]
But does the NFL have any other choice? Are they going to have best of 3 series?
But I do agree. Inferior teams can win the Superbowl in the NFL. That's why being a 6th seed may not be all that bad given their recent track record.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]Funny. The OP explicitly wants this change because he believes this a way to "expose" the Heat. This is the reasoning he gave. The Heat.[/quote]
And?
[quote]So if someone at your job wants to change company policy only because they specifically believe it will "expose" you (basically targeting you), are you inclined to support that proposal?[/QUOTE]
Apples and bowling balls. Try making a point that applies here.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU][B]Funny. The OP explicitly wants this change because he believes this a way to "expose" the Heat. This is the reasoning he gave. The Heat.[/B]
So if someone at your job wants to change company policy only because they specifically believe it will "expose" you (basically targeting you), are you inclined to support that proposal?[/QUOTE]
Try and see past this, you've been given a ton of arguments that have nothing to with the Heat or any other team specifically, but you cling to this so bad.
[QUOTE=Droid101]Why is Portland - New Orleans any better?[/QUOTE]
Didnt say anything about that brah
that wouldnt work either :biggums:
But first the pelicants have to make top 16
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]
[/QUOTE]
And?
[B]And...that is the reason why Heat fans would oppose it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to reason that fans of the franchise the OP intents to adversely affect would oppose the change.[/B]
Apples and bowling balls. Try making a point that applies here.
[B]I did. Keep up.[/B]
[QUOTE=NustABut]Didnt say anything about that brah
that wouldnt work either :biggums:
But first the pelicants have to make top 16[/QUOTE]
both teams are in the west so it is likely to happen sometime in the future... and what about memphis vs la... thats pretty much across the whole country as well and that happens every year
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]I did. Keep up.[/QUOTE]
No. Actually you didn't...unless you think being a little bitch suffices?
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Try and see past this, you've been given a ton of arguments that have nothing to with the Heat or any other team specifically, but you cling to this so bad.[/QUOTE]
Even if the Heat did not exist, I see little reason to change the current format. You are going to get the same result at the end of the day: the champion. Whether by eliminating conferences or leaving it the same...
Jordan's Bulls still win
Shaq/Kobe Laker's still win
Duncan's Spurs still win
Detroit still wins
Lebron's Heat still win
Dirk's Mavs still win
Boston? Nope, they still win
What changes? Who suddenly fails to become a champion? Jordan because he had to face another western conference opponent?
And there is a reason that ALL professional leagues use the current system rather than a single conference set up. Chief among them is that you create geographical rivalries that you are FAR more likely to get in the current format.
It ensures the absolute BEST competition. How could anyone be against that? :facepalm
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]Even if the Heat did not exist, I see little reason to change the current format. You are going to get the same result at the end of the day: the champion. Whether by eliminating conferences or leaving it the same...
Jordan's Bulls still win
Shaq/Kobe Laker's still win
Duncan's Spurs still win
Detroit still wins
Lebron's Heat still win
Dirk's Mavs still win
Boston? Nope, they still win
What changes? Who suddenly fails to become a champion? Jordan because he had to face another western conference opponent?
And there is a reason that ALL professional leagues use the current system rather than a single conference set up. Chief among them is that you create geographical rivalries that you are FAR more likely to get in the current format.[/QUOTE]
if the team who is going to win will win no matter what format, then why not change it? the first rounds will be more interesting and give all the teams in the west a chance to compete...
or are you scared because then the heat would actually have to face real competition and have a higher chance of getting knocked out before making it to the finals?
[QUOTE=selrahc]if the team who is going to win will win no matter what format, then why not change it? the first rounds will be more interesting and give all the teams in the west a chance to compete...
or are you scared because then the heat would actually have to face real competition and have a higher chance of getting knocked out before making it to the finals?[/QUOTE]
I guess.
I have no idea why some are so interested in who comes in second place tho. As I said, who cares that the 49ers could have beaten the Broncos in the SB...you still lost to the Seahawks, the champions. 2nd=not 1st.
And there is a drawback to eliminating conferences. You are far less likely to get a Spurs-Mavs or Spurs-OKC or LAC-MEM or a MIA-INDY series (rivalries). Or a Heat-Knicks series from the late 90s. Or Cavs-Celtics series from the mid 2000s. etc.
You have potentially eliminated historic rivalries and therefore "interesting" first round match ups. And under this format, it will be much harder to create new rivalries because the chances will be slimmer that those teams will meet in this expanded bracket.
But I digress.
[QUOTE=FLDFSU]Even if the Heat did not exist, I see little reason to change the current format. You are going to get the same result at the end of the day: the champion. Whether by eliminating conferences or leaving it the same...
Jordan's Bulls still win
Shaq/Kobe Laker's still win
Duncan's Spurs still win
Detroit still wins
Lebron's Heat still win
Dirk's Mavs still win
Boston? Nope, they still win
What changes? Who suddenly fails to become a champion? Jordan because he had to face another western conference opponent?
And there is a reason that ALL professional leagues use the current system rather than a single conference set up. Chief among them is that you create geographical rivalries that you are FAR more likely to get in the current format.[/QUOTE]
NBA is a pro league with only 32 top professional teams.
There's is more to a sports league than just who wins in the end.
Minnesota wins more games than teams making the playoffs in the east, they deserve recognition for being better than those teams. They deserve the extra money that comes with making the playoffs. All this goes for any team that competes better.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster]NBA is a pro league with only 32 top professional teams.
There's is more to a sports league than just who wins in the end.
Minnesota wins more games than teams making the playoffs in the east, they deserve recognition for being better than those teams. They deserve the extra money that comes with making the playoffs. All this goes for any team that competes better.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be a jackas% but Minnesota doesn't deserve sh*t if they cannot finish in the top half of their conference. You want more money and recognition Minnesota? Stop giving up 104 points a game and figure out a way to not have a losing record on the road.
And if your not first, your last.
IMO, if Miami can't beat the Clippers in the finals, they might as well lose to the Hawks in the first round.