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[QUOTE=Brizzly]Not a lot of seriousness in this thread, I think we'll wrap this shit up. Thought we could make something fun.
But can't be done:(
Great post Laz and to all who took this with a little bit of seriousness.[/QUOTE]
Υοur first thread didn't exactly reek of seriousness, either. You should have required some minimum amount of effort (=explanation) behind each choice.
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Bill Russell didn't get 1st? :facepalm :facepalm Celtics were always clearly the best defensive team with him except once I believe, not even close before or after, all the reports/quotes, always impressive to see him play defense, very athletic, great fundamentals, really smart... Lots of ignorant people around here, I guess.
Well, I would vote for Hakeem at #2 but since Russell wasn't 1st he gets my vote.[/B]
Hmm... Dennis Rodman
[QUOTE=Brizzly]Good post but never seen any real footage from them myself and they all played long time ago.
Who would you say is the best defender in modern NBA?
If you have time do this.
Best post defender
Best help defender
Best perm defender
And best all around defender.[/QUOTE]
I would say that Bruce Bowen, or perhaps Michael Cooper, were the two greatest perimeter defenders that I witnessed.
As for centers, Russell defense covered the most area, and he was a great "help" defender, as well.
Duncan is probably one of the greatest "help" defensive centers (yes, he was almost always playing center on defense.)
Thurmond was arguably the greatest "one-on-one" defensive center (although Chamberlain reduced his opposing centers nearly as much.)
And Chamberlain was, without question, the greatest post defensive player in NBA history. Watch CavsFan's "block party" footage when you get a chance. He was blocking nearly everything at the hoop. In fact, he was clearly the greatest shot-blocker of all-time, ...which was amazing considering his reputation. Every team in the league knew that he would eat up anything in the lane, and yet, he was still blocking 8-10 shots per game nearly his entire career.
Rodman
Kobe Bryant
kobe
Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.[/QUOTE]
Nate would be #2 after Russell #1, IMO.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.[/QUOTE]
And how about their '72 playoff matchup? Kareem had a season in which he averaged 34.8 ppg on .574 shooting. In the first round against Nate... 22.8 ppg on a ... get this... .405 FG%. Not only that, but Thurmond OUTSCORED Kareem in that series, 25.4 ppg to 22.8 ppg, and outshot him by a .437 to .405 margin.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]And how about their '72 playoff matchup? Kareem had a season in which he averaged 34.8 ppg on .574 shooting. In the first round against Nate... 22.8 ppg on a ... get this... .405 FG%. Not only that, but Thurmond OUTSCORED Kareem in that series, 25.4 ppg to 22.8 ppg, and outshot him by a .437 to .405 margin.[/QUOTE]
Damn Kareem has two huge chokes. Wilting come playoff time... And I hear that "he's underrated here" :oldlol: when he is always ranked #2 alltime.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Damn Kareem has two huge chokes. Wilting come playoff time... And I hear that "he's underrated here" :oldlol: when he is always ranked #2 alltime.[/QUOTE]
In that same '72 post-season, and against an old Chamberlain, he shot .457 from the field. And in the last four games of that series, three of which were Laker wins, he shot a combined .414.
You want more?
In the first round of the '81 playoffs, his 54-28 Lakers were beaten by Moses' 40-42 Rockets, in a series in which Moses easily outscored him, and held him to a .462 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .473.)
Then, two years later, Moses just slaughtered him in a series in which Malone outscored him by a solid margin, and outrebounded him by over 10 per game.
And in the '84 Finals, Kareem shot .481 from the field in a seven game loss, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .487.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]In that same '72 post-season, and against an old Chamberlain, he shot .457 from the field. And in the last four games of that series, three of which were Laker wins, he shot a combined .414.
You want more?
In the first round of the '81 playoffs, his 54-28 Lakers were beaten by Moses' 40-42 Rockets, in a series in which Moses easily outscored him, and held him to a .462 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .473.)
Then, two years later, Moses just slaughtered him in a series in which Malone outscored him by a solid margin, and outrebounded him by over 10 per game.
And in the '84 Finals, Kareem shot .481 from the field in a seven game loss, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .487.[/QUOTE]
Magic>Kareem? What do you think? I have Magic and Bird ahead of Kareem.
I hate to be brutally honest but any list that does not place Russell #1 should be discarded. From a historical perspective:
1. Bill Russell
2. Anyone else
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Magic>Kareem? What do you think? I have Magic and Bird ahead of Kareem.[/QUOTE]
Wilt, MJ, Russell, and Magic...
What are he results so far OP? You still doing a top 10?
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Wilt, MJ, Russell, and Magic...[/QUOTE]
Minus Wilt I have the top 3 in that order with Kareem 5th.
Kobe, most all all defensive teams of any player. Period. :bowdown: