You guys are clearly salty end of story. Cleveland loves you! keep trying to spin the shit drafts as if there were star players to be had tho its amusing.
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You guys are clearly salty end of story. Cleveland loves you! keep trying to spin the shit drafts as if there were star players to be had tho its amusing.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Irving while at the time wasn't hyped as such I think outside of the truly game changing guys is the next best thing. If you can't grab a LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, MJ, Duncan, Durant etc. than I think when all said and done Kyrie is in that next tier. [/quote]
I love Kyrie, but I'll say it again... the Cavs' organization deserves credit for him being a Cavalier, not viewed as a gift. That was one of the best trades any franchise has made in the last several years. And, again, that's the kind of move that any other franchise would get a ton of love for doing... but, at least from my perspective, it's viewed as "just luck" because it's the Cavs.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]I'm not even saying it's completely fair. At this point I'm not that annoyed with it. I deff was being abit of a troll originally. Just that no matter the strength of the draft when a team gets the 1st overall pick 3/4 drafts it's without question bullshit. Bad for the NBA. Nobody wants to see that. If the pick was 2nd or 3rd there would be far less of a shit storm and it wouldn't stay in people's minds as long. 3 years from now if the Cavs make the finals 3 first overall picks sticks out. 3rd overall, 2nd overall than 1st doesn't as much.[/QUOTE]
I know rage posting when I see it. I've probably done it in my time here, which is why I wasn't too harsh in my retorts earlier. We have a cordial history on this board and I'd like it to remain that way.
With that said, I think a lot of the arguments here are misguided. The actual individual drafts matter... a lot. And, up to this point, I don't feel the Cavs have really been gifted all that much (again, Kyrie was had in a trade). I expect this draft to be much better than the last few, so this pick is hugely important... but, getting No. 1 last year and No. 4 in 2011 and 2012 doesn't exactly strike me as being gifted a dynasty regardless of who we took.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Not to mention Duncan and Robinson were how many drafts apart? Robinson being on the backside of his career when Duncan was getting started. Wasn't he like 35 during the 2nd championship? ... Spurs later consisting of late round steals in Manu/Tony Parker.
Cavaliers just ripped off 3 1st overalls in 4 years. Robinson was drafted 1st overall in 86' the Spurs made the playoffs and than he got hurt and the Spurs "kept him out" which BTW gets mentioned by fans too and drafted Duncan in 1997.[/QUOTE]
1987 actually, but fully agree.
OP iz wrong on this. This draft lottery is rigged, 3 out of 4 years of being number 1 pick sure isn't lucky its nuttin but pure bullshit and a plot to lure Lebron back into Cleveland. What else could tha shit be?:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Myth]And despite getting a #1 pick (good for them on that trade), they lucked into 2 #1 picks. The issue isn't that they got 1 #1 pick, it is that AFTER having a quality #1 pick, they still are getting #1 pick after #1 pick. A team shouldn't need that much luck to succeed when they already have pieces to build around, but the Cavs couldn't drag their sorry asses into the East playoffs despite a more than adequate roster, and then they luck into the 3rd 1st.[/QUOTE]
The misguided Bynum experiment cost them a spot in the playoffs this year, no doubt about. I liked the move at the time, though, and still think it was worth the risk (since there was no risk, financially speaking).
It's not like they didn't try to get in after he was gone, too. The acquisitions of Deng and Hawes got them very close, but the Bynum hole was a little too deep to climb out of. They were close, while also being the second youngest roster in the league.
What happened tonight was by pure chance. They had the best record of any team picking in the Top 10 in the draft. This was not a case of tanking for a pick. That's why I'm not going apologize for getting a little lucky, especially for a sports town that has endured as much bad luck as Cleveland, be it the Browns, Indians or Cavs.
Maybe there is something to this karma thing, because I feel like if any fans deserve it, it is ours.
[QUOTE=El Gato Negro]You have no point other than i hate Cleveland. The cavs havnt missed on draft picks they have plenty of cap space, expiring contracts for trades and loads of future picks including three first rounders next year. they havnt messed up anywhere other than coaching and have been very unlucky to get high draft picks in shit draft classes. those the facts not the force fed ish/espn bs.[/QUOTE]
I don't hate the Cavs at all, Mr. "you clearly are missing the point." Probably the most bothersome part is that I like the Cavs, but it wasn't unconditional and now I feel like there is less point in hoping they are good. I was a big Mark Price and Brad Dougherty fan growing up. I was excited when they got Kemp (even though he did not retain his Sonic abilities). I was a big fan of the Cavs in LeBron's earlier years (even rooted for them over the Spurs). Then, I was pissed as hell when LeBron ditched them. I was happy they got Irving, and even intrigued to an extent when they got a 2nd #1 pick. But the 3rd in 4 years means they have no excuse for not being contender in the future when all the other teams get the scraps from those years. Realistically, they should have 3 #1 picks in their prime in the future, while most other teams with #1 picks will have either pre-prime or post-prime players.
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Not to mention Duncan and Robinson were how many drafts apart? Robinson being on the backside of his career when Duncan was getting started. Wasn't he like 35 during the 2nd championship? ... Spurs later consisting of late round steals in Manu/Tony Parker.
Cavaliers just ripped off 3 1st overalls in 4 years. Robinson was drafted 1st overall in 86' the Spurs made the playoffs and than he got hurt and the Spurs "kept him out" which BTW gets mentioned by fans too and drafted Duncan in 1997.[/QUOTE]
Robinson was drafted in '87, but his rookie year was 1990. He was putting up 16/10 and 2+ blocks per game with DPOY level defense during their first championship and was the team's starting center, averaging just under a double-double with still very good defense, during their second one.
That really wasn't even the point, though... it was the level of player we're talking about with Robinson/Duncan, which the Cavs haven't had the opportunity to acquire despite their recent good fortune. I was making the point that the actual drafts matter as much or more than the picks themselves. I stand by that.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]With that said, I think a lot of the arguments here are misguided. The actual individual drafts matter... a lot. And, up to this point, I don't feel the Cavs have really been gifted all that much (again, Kyrie was had in a trade). I expect this draft to be much better than the last few, so this pick is hugely important... but, getting No. 1 last year and No. 4 in 2011 and 2012 doesn't exactly strike me as being gifted a dynasty regardless of who we took.[/QUOTE]
Yeah enough keystrokes have been wasted. Both potentially getting ahead of ourselves too because Cleveland's "1st overall" picks are still pretty young. AB while looking extremely unimpressive as a rookie could turn into something, Irving could still have another gear, this great 1st overall in the current draft could fall flat on his face as well.
Logical or not, right or wrong 3/4 1st overall picks will rub people the wrong way no matter how you slice it. Look at the history of the NBA lottery, look at the past 4 years. Something happened we haven't seen before. Admittedly I didn't think of the Cavs trading for the pick, that was a smart move. Drafts haven't been exactly loaded but still think Irving + this current draft is being downplayed by you.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The misguided Bynum experiment cost them a spot in the playoffs this year, no doubt about. I liked the move at the time, though, and still think it was worth the risk (since there was no risk, financially speaking).
It's not like they didn't try to get in after he was gone, too. The acquisitions of Deng and Hawes got them very close, but the Bynum hole was a little too deep to climb out of. They were close, while also being the second youngest roster in the league.
What happened tonight was by pure chance. They had the best record of any team picking in the Top 10 in the draft. This was not a case of tanking for a pick. That's why I'm not going apologize for getting a little lucky, especially for a sports town that has endured as much bad luck as Cleveland, be it the Browns, Indians or Cavs.
Maybe there is something to this karma thing, because I feel like if any fans deserve it, it is ours.[/QUOTE]
I think the Bynum thing is a pretty poor excuse given how epically weak the East is. Hard to say "he is the reason we couldn't win 37 games" when he only played 24 games all season, and he was traded for a recent all-star and a good big for the last 1/3 of the season or so. Sure, he hurt the team, but the East is just so bad.
I'm aware it was chance, and I'm not in any way expecting you to apologize for your team. I'm just hoping you can see why it could make somebody like myself, who was a casual fan of the Cavs, have a hard time pulling for them.
[QUOTE=Myth]But the 3rd in 4 years means they have no excuse for not being contender in the future when all the other teams get the scraps from those years.[/QUOTE]
And, if that's your overall point, then I agree. There is no longer any excuses.
My main gripe was the idea that it wouldn't mean anything if they do become contenders because they've had a streak of luck. It will still take some work and the pieces still have to fit.
I would have been just as happy picking 3rd this year without all this scrutiny.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Robinson was drafted in '87, but his rookie year was 1990. He was putting up 16/10 and 2+ blocks per game with DPOY level defense during their first championship and was the team's starting center, averaging just under a double-double with still very good defense, during their second one.
That really wasn't even the point, though... it was the level of player we're talking about with Robinson/Duncan, which the Cavs haven't had the opportunity to acquire despite their recent good fortune. I was making the point that the actual drafts matter as much or more than the picks themselves. I stand by that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah all I meant was the drafts were ten years apart. If Irving was drafted ten years ago this thread wouldn't have been created. Obviously quality of players are much different, just like the situations are.
[QUOTE=Myth]I think the Bynum thing is a pretty poor excuse given how epically weak the East is. [/QUOTE]
The numbers don't lie.... Something like 15 games under .500 with him while the team was completely healthy... And then they played essentially .500 ball when he was traded despite key lengthy injuries to key guys (Kyrie, Dion, Deng, Varejao).
I don't feel it is an excuse so much as a pretty obvious fact when you dissect the numbers/records while he was on the team and when he wasn't. Even when he wasn't on the floor, he had the team in complete disarray according to reports.
But, whatever.... I have to crash. Getting dizzy.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]And, if that's your overall point, then I agree. There is no longer any excuses.
My main gripe was the idea that it wouldn't mean anything if they do become contenders because they've had a streak of luck. It will still take some work and the pieces still have to fit.
I would have been just as happy picking 3rd this year without all this scrutiny.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is my overall point. They have no excuses for not being towards the top of the NBA when their players get to their primes. I felt they had no legit excuse for even being in this draft, but that wasn't my original point.
I'm going to be getting off soon :cheers:
Btw, if the Cavs were to win a championship because of 3 #1s, I may not be as thrilled as I would have without them winning this draft, but I'll be happy for the fans of the team (assuming not too many of them are bandwagon fans at that point).
[QUOTE=El Gato Negro]You have no point other than i hate Cleveland. The cavs havnt missed on draft picks they have plenty of cap space, expiring contracts for trades and loads of future picks including three first rounders next year. [B]they havnt messed up anywhere [/B]other than coaching and have been very unlucky to get high draft picks in shit draft classes. those the facts not the force fed ish/espn bs.[/QUOTE]
Bennett :biggums:
Im having a hard time "believing" that the Cavs "should" be amazing because of their recent luck in the lottery. This is coming from a guy whose supported a team that's been in the lottery all but 7 times in the past 3 decades.
[QUOTE=clipps]Im having a hard time "believing" that the Cavs "should" be amazing because of their recent luck in the lottery. This is coming from a guy whose supported a team that's been in the lottery all but 7 times in the past 3 decades.[/QUOTE]
Big difference between being in the lottery a lot and winning it a lot, don't ya think?
Bring on the Draft Wheel!!!
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I think there is a good possibility that it happens after this draft.
It is what it is. I personally hope Embiid gets to Milwaukee and doesn't bust out Oden or Olowokandi style. Somehow I feel he'll get cursed if he goes to Cleveland.
[QUOTE=BlazerRed]Bennett :biggums:[/QUOTE]
meh, if the cavs took Len same result.
If the cavs took Porter same result.
If the cavs took Cody Zeller same result.
If the cavs took Noel, who the f*ck knows.
The cavs were not about to draft their 3rd 6'3'' guard in 3 years.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]meh, if the cavs took Len same result.
If the cavs took Porter same result.
If the cavs took Cody Zeller same result.
If the cavs took Noel, who the f*ck knows.
The cavs were not about to draft their 3rd 6'3'' guard in 3 years.[/QUOTE]
Should have traded the pick then rather than waste it on a useless sack of shit.
How does Cleveland get so lucky? 3 #1's
Not upset at how it played out. Always felt top 3 was as good as 1 or 2. I was worried about landing 4 and 5. Wiggins Embiid Parker, one will be a Sixer and I'm alright with that. Not totally high on either player. But Cavs can't screw this one up. I wonder who they take because you can argue for Embiid or Wiggins.
I also wonder if Parker could surprise and go above either before sixers pick?
Good luck Cavs I hope your selection actually pans out.
Honestly the NBA had to give the first pick to one of the West lottery teams, I mean if you can't make the playoffs in the East you just completely fail at basketball. Making the playoffs in the West you got to win like 50 games or very close to it and the West had 8 of the best 10 teams in the playoffs and the Suns and Timberwolves probs would have been better than quiet a few of the East playoff teams.
Seriously give it to a team that actually needs it not one that's already had like a insane amount of top 3 picks already. You shouldn't need the #1 pick to be a playoff team in the East teams like the Jazz/Kings needed this way more moving forward and neither has had a top 3 pick in ages (well Jazz have but Kantar is garbage).
That's just garbage the NBA needs to put some rule in place where you can't reward someone for being garbage honestly I would love a rule if you get a top 5 pick you can't have a lottery pick for the next 3 years that way shit teams like the Cavs/Kings/Jazz/Bucks/76ers are forced to trade and actually develop and not rely on being shit to get them players in the draft.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]meh, if the cavs took Len same result.
If the cavs took Porter same result.
If the cavs took Cody Zeller same result.
If the cavs took Noel, who the f*ck knows.
The cavs were not about to draft their 3rd 6'3'' guard in 3 years.[/QUOTE]
Is it fair to say Cavs would be in the same position if they took Noel last year? I mean he didn't play at all this season, and while Bennett had a horror start I would presume if you took him out and added nobody they're still going to end up more or less in the same boat, except with an excuse of sorts because their number one pick was out ala Griffin in his first year.
Although I'd still be a lot more excited by a Cavs future featuring Irving, Waiters, Noel and one of Parker/Wiggins (Embiid would probably be off the table in that situation, don't think it'd have the same twin towers allure that Davis/Noel had for the 5 seconds that dream was a reality for me). I know Bennett has gotten better since his first few weeks but he still doesn't strike me as a superstar like Noel could be
[QUOTE=andremiller07]Honestly the NBA had to give the first pick to one of the West lottery teams, I mean if you can't make the playoffs in the East you just completely fail at basketball. Making the playoffs in the West you got to win like 50 games or very close to it and the West had 8 of the best 10 teams in the playoffs and the Suns and Timberwolves probs would have been better than quiet a few of the East playoff teams.
Seriously give it to a team that actually needs it not one that's already had like a insane amount of top 3 picks already. You shouldn't need the #1 pick to be a playoff team in the East teams like the Jazz/Kings needed this way more moving forward and neither has had a top 3 pick in ages (well Jazz have but Kantar is garbage).
That's just garbage the NBA needs to put some rule in place where you can't reward someone for being garbage honestly I would love a rule if you get a top 5 pick you can't have a lottery pick for the next 3 years that way shit teams like the Cavs/Kings/Jazz/Bucks/76ers are forced to trade and actually develop and not rely on being shit to get them players in the draft.[/QUOTE]
Please, if there's any team who has drafted worse than the Cavs based on draft position in recent year, it's the Kings. They have quite literally gone no where in the last 5, arguably 6 seasons.
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]Please, if there's any team who has drafted worse than the Cavs based on draft position in recent year, it's the Kings. They have quite literally gone no where in the last 5, arguably 6 seasons.[/QUOTE]
We have had zero top 3 picks, the Cavs have had 4 or 5, two of our top 5 picks are quality players in the NBA in Tyreke Evans and DMC. Big difference drafting 7-15 than it is 1-4
"This is the last year we'll be in the draft lottery." -Dan gilbert
[QUOTE=BlazerRed]Should have traded the pick then rather than waste it on a useless sack of shit.[/QUOTE]
We tried trading it. :sleeping
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Dat moment when you realize you are going to Cleveland or Milwaukee.
Celts are right where they statistically had the best chance of being, so no shock there.
But that Cleveland thing...:oldlol:
[QUOTE=BlazerRed]Should have traded the pick then rather than waste it on a useless sack of shit.[/QUOTE]
Easy to play armchair GM but what most people on here don't realize is that it take two to tango. The cavs did try though.
What GM in their right mind would trade up for last year's number 1?
I mean c'mon. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=bigt]Is it fair to say Cavs would be in the same position if they took Noel last year? I mean he didn't play at all this season, and while Bennett had a horror start I would presume if you took him out and added nobody they're still going to end up more or less in the same boat, except with an excuse of sorts because their number one pick was out ala Griffin in his first year.
Although I'd still be a lot more excited by a Cavs future featuring Irving, Waiters, Noel and one of Parker/Wiggins (Embiid would probably be off the table in that situation, don't think it'd have the same twin towers allure that Davis/Noel had for the 5 seconds that dream was a reality for me). I know Bennett has gotten better since his first few weeks but he still doesn't strike me as a superstar like Noel could be[/QUOTE]
Bennett did get a lot better he had some decent games but he went down with a knee sprain or something.
Even if Noel was healthy he wouldn't have gotten much burn on Cleveland's team last year. He's a very raw prospect, i like him a lot, and i like him a lot pre draft. His weight is scary though. 206 pounds at the combine and he was 220ish at kentucky. He's gonna get pushed around a lot. I wish him the best though and I do think he has a very high ceiling.
[QUOTE=Myth]If you get a #1, #2, #4 over the course of a bad stretch, fine, especially if your team set out strategically to land those, including trading players for picks that worked out. But 3 #1s is unheard of, and to do it by pure luck after your shitty team failed to make the playoffs with a pretty good roster? Just insane.
Imagine if Clippers had Griffin (2009), but then lucked into Irving 2 years later, followed by Anthony Davis. There would be no excuse for them to not be a championship contender.[/QUOTE]
Right...it's hilarious how butt-hurt Cavs fans don't get it.
It's not hard. NBA fans that aren't Cavs fans don't want a shit franchise like them to get all these players. Why? Because they have a history of being a shit franchise and not putting pieces around elite players.
We don't want to see a franchise that lucked into one of the 8 or so best players ever...and could only give him Mo Williams in 7 years....get 3 number 1 draft picks. It would be like this for other teams. The Wolves haven't made the playoffs in what seems like forever...and they've had KG and Kevin Love.
So what's the point? You get KG and can't do shit. You get Kevin Love and can't do shit. You get Lebron and you can't surround him with shit.
Just seems pointless. These shit franchises continue to get pick after pick...and they don't do anything with them half the time.
That is why fans are upset. If some improbable thing was going to happen...we wanted it to be for a team like the Suns or something. That would make the league better. Not giving a shit franchise another great pick.
As a NBA fan...hopefully they turn it around.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Right...it's hilarious how butt-hurt Cavs fans don't get it.
It's not hard. NBA fans that aren't Cavs fans don't want a shit franchise like them to get all these players. Why? Because they have a history of being a shit franchise and not putting pieces around elite players.
We don't want to see a franchise that lucked into one of the 8 or so best players ever...and could only give him Mo Williams in 7 years....get 3 number 1 draft picks. It would be like this for other teams. The Wolves haven't made the playoffs in what seems like forever...and they've had KG and Kevin Love.
So what's the point? You get KG and can't do shit. You get Kevin Love and can't do shit. You get Lebron and you can't surround him with shit.
Just seems pointless. These shit franchises continue to get pick after pick...and they don't do anything with them half the time.
[B]That is why fans are upset. If some improbable thing was going to happen...we wanted it to be for a team like the Suns or something. That would make the league better.[/B] Not giving a shit franchise another great pick.
As a NBA fan...hopefully they turn it around.[/QUOTE]
i don't see what separates the suns from the timberwolves and the cavs. What have the suns accomplished? Having Amare walk from them for nothing? Trading for old shaq? :confusedshrug:
People seems to forget that the NBA has the fewest amount of different teams winning a championship, and apparently on ISH if your franchise hasn't won one, you are a sh*t franchise.
I suppose... But as non-Cavs fan, if they do select what turns out to be a HOF type player with their first pick, it'd be frustrating and a bit pointless to watch said player accumulate stats on non-contending Cavs teams before bolting to a shiny big market.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]i don't see what separates the suns from the timberwolves and the cavs. What have the suns accomplished? Having Amare walk from them for nothing? Trading for old shaq? :confusedshrug:
People seems to forget that the NBA has the fewest amount of different teams winning a championship, and apparently on ISH if your franchise hasn't won one, you are a sh*t franchise.[/QUOTE]
What separates them?
They didn't get Lebron and then surround him with nothing for 7 years. The Suns got Nash, Amare, Marion...and a group of quality role players as well for years.
They clearly built more around Amare than the Cavs did around Lebron....it's not even remotely close.
But that isn't even really the point. The Suns didn't get 4 number 1 picks in 11 years.
Nobody cares about this if the Cavs do something with this latest one now. We want them to. We want them to be good. We want to see more quality teams.
That is what this is about. The more quality teams...the more fun the NBA is. And we rightfully are worried that a franchise like the Cavs that seem to always screw it up...is going to screw it up again and we are worried we are going to see really good young players wasting away in Cleveland.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]I suppose... But as non-Cavs fan, if they do select what turns out to be a HOF type player with their first pick, it'd be frustrating and a bit pointless to watch said player accumulate stats on non-contending Cavs teams before bolting to a shiny big market.[/QUOTE]
t i get the point.. I'm ultra pissed at the Indianapolis colts for having all that time with Peyton, having a year with no QB, then tanking for Andrew Luck.
But look at KD an OKC. KD hasn't seemed to give any indication he wants out. Not every superstar player is like Lebron. (and it's not like the cavs weren't contending with Lebron, they were in the mix his last 3 seasons)
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]What separates them?
They didn't get Lebron and then surround him with nothing for 7 years. The Suns got Nash, Amare, Marion...and a group of quality role players as well for years.
They clearly built more around Amare than the Cavs did around Lebron....it's not even remotely close.
But that isn't even really the point. The Suns didn't get 4 number 1 picks in 11 years.
Nobody cares about this if the Cavs do something with this latest one now. We want them to. We want them to be good. We want to see more quality teams.
That is what this is about. The more quality teams...the more fun the NBA is. And we rightfully are worried that a franchise like the Cavs that seem to always screw it up...is going to screw it up again and we are worried we are going to see really good young players wasting away in Cleveland.[/QUOTE]
Did Cleveland ruin Lebron's career? No.
Did Milwaukee ruin Kareem's career? No.
Did Orlando ruin Dwight's career? No.
Did Orlando ruin Shaq's career? No.
Did OKC ruin Harden's career? No.
Did Denver ruin Melo's career? No.
I get the saltiness, but let's not act like a player goes to Cleveland and contracts some terrible space jam disease where they are terrible the rest of their career.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]Did Cleveland ruin Lebron's career? No.
Did Milwaukee ruin Kareem's career? No.
Did Orlando ruin Dwight's career? No.
Did Orlando ruin Shaq's career? No.
Did OKC ruin Harden's career? No.
Did Denver ruin Melo's career? No.
I get the saltiness, but let's not act like a player goes to Cleveland and contracts some terrible space jam disease where they are terrible the rest of their career.[/QUOTE]
Dude. I don't understand this. Nobody is saying this just about the Cavs....it's just that the Cavs are the most recent team to do this shit.
It's a wide spread problem in the NBA for some of these markets/franchises.
Nobody said the Cavs ruined Lebron's career. But they sure wasted 7 years of it giving him scraps to work with...let's be honest.
That is all this is. People would be saying the same shit if so many other teams had done what the Cavs have done the last 11 years.
You Cavs fans act like it's personal. It's not. It's about what your franchise has done for a long time now. It's just been a poorly run franchise for a long time now and as fans it scares us to see so much young talent heading to a shit franchise with a history of screwing things up...because we want more quality teams.
I just hate the draft lottery for this reason. I know the Cavs got lucky...this isn't about that. I'm for an almost completely random draft with each team getting the same odds each year. Because giving high picks to shit teams fails just as much as it works. It promotes tanking and being bad...and essentially turns some markets into developmental teams. Like the Wolves.
And most likely what would have been the Cavs with Irving had they not lucked into the first pick this year.
We just want to see them do something with it now. They could not have done worse with Lebron...hopefully they do better with all the stuff they have now.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]t i get the point.. I'm ultra pissed at the Indianapolis colts for having all that time with Peyton, having a year with no QB, then tanking for Andrew Luck.
But look at KD an OKC. KD hasn't seemed to give any indication he wants out. Not every superstar player is like Lebron. (and it's not like the cavs weren't contending with Lebron, they were in the mix his last 3 seasons)[/QUOTE]
See...this is the problem people have with Cavs fans.
Comparing KD and Lebron? What?
KD is playing on a loaded team with a legit superstar and a great 3rd guy in Ibaka with a really good drafting GM with tons of future assets and young players.
The Cavs were so much worse than these Thunder teams it's just laughable to compare them...
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Dude. I don't understand this. Nobody is saying this just about the Cavs....it's just that the Cavs are the most recent team to do this shit.
It's a wide spread problem in the NBA for some of these markets/franchises.
Nobody said the Cavs ruined Lebron's career. But they sure wasted 7 years of it giving him scraps to work with...let's be honest.
That is all this is. People would be saying the same shit if so many other teams had done what the Cavs have done the last 11 years.
You Cavs fans act like it's personal. It's not. It's about what your franchise has done for a long time now. It's just been a poorly run franchise for a long time now and as fans it scares us to see so much young talent heading to a shit franchise with a history of screwing things up...because we want more quality teams.
I just hate the draft lottery for this reason. I know the Cavs got lucky...this isn't about that. I'm for an almost completely random draft with each team getting the same odds each year. Because giving high picks to shit teams fails just as much as it works. It promotes tanking and being bad...and essentially turns some markets into developmental teams. Like the Wolves.
And most likely what would have been the Cavs with Irving had they not lucked into the first pick this year.
We just want to see them do something with it now. [B]They could not have done worse with Lebron...[/B]hopefully they do better with all the stuff they have now.[/QUOTE]
that's just revisionist history. You act as if the cavs were in the lottery rather then contenders. Lebron had his opportunities in Cleveland.