Name your top 10 SG's of all time

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Championships

3/4

This guy West went 1/9.

1 FOR 9. If ANY player in the current era ever did that he would never be considered an all time great. Nostalgia is blinding you. Guy is a MASSIVE choker. 1 for ****ing 9, absolutely embarassing. People sh*t on LeBron for losing in 2 of 4 finals lol.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm
I guess Jordan's opponents were all-time chokers, too. They went 0-6 against him, after all.

But thank you for showing us that Havlicek with his 8/8 trumps everyone in the clutch factor, while West was a choker...:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Psileas]:facepalm
I guess Jordan's opponents were all-time chokers, too. They went 0-6 against him, after all.

But thank you for showing us that Havlicek with his 8/8 trumps everyone in the clutch factor, while West was a choker...:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
How would LeBron be perceived today if he were 1 for 9 in the finals? He'd never hear the end of it and it'd damage his legacy. Him going 2 for 4 damaged his legacy. No free passes.

[QUOTE=D.J.]All-NBA 1st teams- [B]West(10)[/B] Wade(2)
All-Defensive 1st teams- [B]West(4)[/B] Wade(0)
Runner up for MVP- [B]West(4)[/B] Wade(0)
Finals Appearances- [B]West(9)[/B] Wade(4)[/QUOTE]
Wade played against the 2nd greatest shooting guard ever in Kobe, and a perennial MVP contender in Lebron. He's also one Lebron chokefest away from having 4 rings and being undefeated in the finals. Excuse me for not putting too much stock in the "advantages" you posted for West.

2009 Wade > any version of West

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Much less teams in the league = Much less players = Much more chance to get on All NBA Teams.

Basically much less competition than Wade.[/QUOTE]


You unknowingly just made even more of a case for West. :oldlol: Fewer players means the quality is going to be much higher, yet he still managed 10 All-NBA 1st teams and 4 All-Defensive 1st teams.

[QUOTE=D.J.]You unknowingly just made even more of a case for West. :oldlol: Fewer players means the quality is going to be much higher, yet he still managed 10 All-NBA 1st teams and 4 All-Defensive 1st teams.[/QUOTE]
The league was much less popular and there was much less money to be made so naturally there was a far smaller talent pool. And the talent level of the league back then clearly wasn't near today's level :lol

I mean he played in a league with 8-14 teams for many years so there's a much easier chance to get on all NBA teams then playing in a league with 30 teams.

[QUOTE=Milbuck]Wade played against the 2nd greatest shooting guard ever in Kobe, and a perennial MVP contender in Lebron. He's also one Lebron chokefest away from having 4 rings and being undefeated in the finals. Excuse me for not putting too much stock in the "advantages" you posted for West.

2009 Wade > any version of West[/QUOTE]


Wade's best season was 30/8/5 and that was his only season over 27.7 PPG. West had seasons of 31/8/5, 31/6/5, 31/7/6, and 31/8/5. Try again.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Wade's best season was 30/8/5 and that was his only season over 27.7 PPG. West had seasons of 31/8/5, 31/6/5, 31/7/6, and 31/8/5. Try again.[/QUOTE]
6'5 Elgin Baylor 20 RPG :lol :lol :lol INFLATED STATS

[QUOTE=D.J.]Wade has only been to 4 Finals and of the 3 he did win, he was a sidekick in 2 of them. You don't get to conveniently punish a guy for playing in another era. You still have not successfully refuted the stats I posted that clearly put West over Wade. If Wade was so great, why does he have only 2 All-NBA 1st teams? Why has he never made an All-Defensive 1st team? Why has he never been so much as a runner up(never mind actually winning) for MVP?[/QUOTE]
Jerry West was a sidekick for his one and ONLY ring. Wade didn't get too many All-NBA First selections, because he had to beat Kobe. You know, the guy who's the ins greatest SG of all time. Same with All-Defensive First Teams. Dude was genuinely robbed of of 2 All-D first teams ('09 and '10). In a league without Kobe, Wade would've made the All-NBA first teams in '05, '06, '07, '09, '10, '11, and '12. Anyways, if Wade wins a ring this year averaging 20/5/5, he's over West without a doubt. Until then, I have West at #3.

Also, AI over Wade? That's just retarded. AI has literally NO case over Wade.

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]The league was much less popular and there was much less money to be made so naturally there was a far smaller talent pool. And the talent level of the league back then clearly wasn't near today's level :lol

I mean he played in a league with 8-14 teams for many years so there's a much easier chance to get on all NBA teams then playing in a league with 30 teams.[/QUOTE]


Still haven't refuted anything I've said. And you have the balls to point to popularity and money. :oldlol: :facepalm

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]How would LeBron be perceived today if he were 1 for 9 in the finals? He'd never hear the end up it and it'd damage his legacy. Him going 2 for 4 damaged his legacy. No free passes.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I don't care how he'd be perceived by others. I don't care about others' criteria. How I'd view him depends on how he'd perform. How was LeBron perceived when he lost to Orlando in 2009, after averaging like 39/8/8? I, for one, was impressed and never held it against him. Same with West. There are clutch teams and clutch players. The 60's Lakers may not have been the clutchest team, but West definitely was up there.

Why are people blaming one player for takin away wades all d teams

There are 2 guard spots

[QUOTE=D.J.]Still haven't refuted anything I've said. And you have the balls to point to popularity and money. :oldlol: :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yeah I did. Around 12 players on each team. We'll average out about 12 or so teams in the league for West's career. 144 players in the league, divide that by 5. So about 28.8 SGs in the league compared to 360 players in the league for Wade so 72 SGs in the league. Much less competition so much more of a chance to get on All NBA teams.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Jerry West was a sidekick for his one and ONLY ring. Wade didn't get too many All-NBA First selections, because he had to beat Kobe. You know, the guy who's the ins greatest SG of all time. Same with All-Defensive First Teams. Dude was genuinely robbed of of 2 All-D first teams ('09 and '10). In a league without Kobe, Wade would've made the All-NBA first teams in '05, '06, '07, '09, '10, '11, and '12. Anyways, if Wade wins a ring this year averaging 20/5/5, he's over West without a doubt. Until then, I have West at #3.

Also, AI over Wade? That's just retarded. AI has literally NO case over Wade.[/QUOTE]


More excuses to knock West and prop up Wade. All stats I provided show West > Wade. Numbers, accolades all favor West.

As for Iverson, he won an MVP, took an offensively challenged team to the Finals, won 4 scoring titles, and has more All-NBA 1st team appearances. You can argue you'd be better off building your team around Wade, but the better and more dominant player is still Iverson. Just like you'd still rank Iverson over Kidd, even though Kidd is the smarter option to build around.

[QUOTE=D.J.]More excuses to knock West and prop up Wade. All stats I provided show West > Wade. Numbers, accolades all favor West.

As for Iverson, he won an MVP, took an offensively challenged team to the Finals, won 4 scoring titles, and has more All-NBA 1st team appearances. You can argue you'd be better off building your team around Wade, but the better and more dominant player is still Iverson. Just like you'd still rank Iverson over Kidd, even though Kidd is the smarter option to build around.[/QUOTE]
Stats are barely better than Wade's in an inflated statistical era. Wade's stats >>>>>>>>>> West's.

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Yeah I did. Around 12 players on each team. We'll average out about 12 or so teams in the league for West's career. 144 players in the league, divide that by 5. So about 28.8 SGs in the league compared to 360 players in the league for Wade so 72 SGs in the league. Much less competition so much more of a chance to get on All NBA teams.[/QUOTE]


Fewer players means the few who do play are of much higher quality. You can think you've successfully refuted anything I've said, but you clearly have not. All numbers and accolades favor West. The only SGs better than West are Jordan and Kobe.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Fewer players means the few who do play are of much higher quality. You can think you've successfully refuted anything I've said, but you clearly have not. All numbers and accolades favor West. The only SGs better than West are Jordan and Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Fewer =/= better.

[QUOTE=D.J.]More excuses to knock West and prop up Wade. All stats I provided show West > Wade. Numbers, accolades all favor West.[/quote]
That's why I said West can still be ranked higher than Wade. Also, you conveniently forgot that West was a role player for the ONLY ring he won.

[QUOTE=D.J.]As for Iverson, he won an MVP, took an offensively challenged team to the Finals, won 4 scoring titles, and has more All-NBA 1st team appearances. You can argue you'd be better off building your team around Wade, but the better and more dominant player is still Iverson. Just like you'd still rank Iverson over Kidd, even though Kidd is the smarter option to build around.[/QUOTE]
The MVP he stole from Shaq? Yeah, ok.

More All-NBA First teams? By one. Wade has 3 All-NBA Third teams. AI has one. Wade is an 8x All-NBA team member. AI? 1. Wade has 3 rings. AI? 0. Wade has 3 All-Defensive teams. AI? 0. Wade has 1 FMVP. AI? 0. Wade just posted the highest FG% for a guard in the past 30 odd years. AI's career high is 46%.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Fewer players means the few who do play are of much higher quality. You can think you've successfully refuted anything I've said, but you clearly have not. All numbers and accolades favor West. The only SGs better than West are Jordan and Kobe.[/QUOTE]
'Cause Bob Couse and Hal Greer are better than Kobe, T-Mac, etc. right?

[QUOTE=D.J.]Wade's best season was 30/8/5 and that was his only season over 27.7 PPG. West had seasons of 31/8/5, 31/6/5, 31/7/6, and 31/8/5. Try again.[/QUOTE]
"Try again" :oldlol:

You're delusional if you think West would put up those kinds of seasons during Wade's time. And even more delusional if you think prime Wade wouldn't shit on the league in the 60s.

Prime Shaq would average his usual 25-30ppg, 10-12 rpg in the 60s, right?

Is this aj guy really going to call Jerry West a "role player" during the playoff run where he averaged 23/5/9 and then prop up wade for his rings in the very next sentence

:biggums:

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]Stats are barely better than Wade's in an inflated statistical era. Wade's stats >>>>>>>>>> West's.[/QUOTE]


Average shooting percentage in the league in the 60s and early 70s was around 43-44%. West was consistently in the high 40s. Average shooting percentage in the league in the mid-late 2000s was 45-46% and Wade was shooting similar percentages to West.

Average defensive rating when West played was in the mid 90s. Average defensive rating when Wade played was over 105. Yet with tougher defense, West scored more at a more consistent rate.

[QUOTE=aj1987]That's why I said West can still be ranked higher than Wade. Also, you conveniently forgot that West was a role player for the ONLY ring he won.[/QUOTE]


You mean a role player who averaged 25.8 PPG/9.7 APG/4.2 RPG during the regular season?


[QUOTE]The MVP he stole from Shaq? Yeah, ok.[/QUOTE]


Iverson deserved his MVP. And I'm sure you probably feel Dwight should've won over Rose in '11.


[QUOTE]More All-NBA First teams? By one. Wade has 3 All-NBA Third teams. AI has one. Wade is an 8x All-NBA team member. AI? 1. Wade has 3 rings. AI? 0. Wade has 3 All-Defensive teams. AI? 0. Wade has 1 FMVP. AI? 0. Wade just posted the highest FG% for a guard in the past 30 odd years. AI's career high is 46%.[/QUOTE]


Ok? Chauncey Billups has a Finals MVP too. Bruce Bowen has more All-Defensive teams. Iverson is an MVP winner with 4 scoring titles and is a career 26/6 player.


[QUOTE]'Cause Bob Couse and Hal Greer are better than Kobe, T-Mac, etc. right?[/QUOTE]


Creating a false argument.


[QUOTE]"Try again" :oldlol:

You're delusional if you think West would put up those kinds of seasons during Wade's time. And even more delusional if you think prime Wade wouldn't shit on the league in the 60s.

Prime Shaq would average his usual 25-30ppg, 10-12 rpg in the 60s, right?[/QUOTE]


You mean West, a player who could shoot like there was no tomorrow and get to the line 10 times a game back then couldn't put up similar numbers in a game with no handchecking and still retaining the ability to create?

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Is this aj guy really going to call Jerry West a "role player" during the playoff run where he averaged 23/5/9 and then prop up wade for his rings in the very next sentence

:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Since you're always retarded. That guy called Wade a role-player in '12. Wade averaged 25/4/5 @ 53% TS. West averaged 23/5/9 @ 46% TS.

Also, pace. 117 to 91.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Since you're always retarded. That guy called Wade a role-player in '12. Wade averaged 25/4/5 @ 53% TS. West averaged 23/5/9 @ 46% TS.

Also, pace. 117 to 91.[/QUOTE]

I'm always reminded of your intelligence when you immediately respond to anybody slightly disagreeing with you as a "retard" "fakkit" etc

Represent for the mature folks

[QUOTE=D.J.]You mean a role player who averaged 25.8 PPG/9.7 APG/4.2 RPG during the regular season?[/quote]
Since when do RS stats have any bearing to Playoff stats. Also, pace.

BTW, Wade averaged 22/5/5 on 50% at a MUCH slower pace.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Iverson deserved his MVP. And I'm sure you probably feel Dwight should've won over Rose in '11.[/quote]
Nope. LeBron should've won it.


[QUOTE=D.J.]Ok? Chauncey Billups has a Finals MVP too. Bruce Bowen has more All-Defensive teams. Iverson is an MVP winner with 4 scoring titles and is a career 26/6 player.[/quote]
What the **** are you even talking about. Wade has what all 3 of those players have. Scoring title, Rings, FMVP, All-D selections, etc. You needed to bring up 3 players to compare to the achievements that ONLY Wade has.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Creating a false argument. [/quote]
How? Wade played against MUCH better competition and that's a FACT. The centers back then were amazing. Not the guards.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]I'm always reminded of your intelligence when you immediately respond to anybody slightly disagreeing with you as a "retard" "fakkit" etc

Represent for the mature folks[/QUOTE]
I've never used the word "fakkit", retard.

If you don't want to be called a retard, do some research next time before responding to posts. I don't care if people call me a retard when I'm wrong. Stop being a sensitive bitch.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Since you're always retarded. That guy called Wade a role-player in '12. Wade averaged 25/4/5 @ 53% TS. West averaged 23/5/9 @ 46% TS.

Also, pace. 117 to 91.[/QUOTE]


Defensive rating in 1972- 97.9
Defensive rating in 2012- 104.6


Wade also missed 17 games and played only 33 MPG to West's 38 MPG. Wade clearly became a role player to LeBron in '12.

[QUOTE=Smook A.]1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Jerry West
5. Clyde Drexler
6. George Gervin
7. Allen Iverson
8. Ray Allen
9. Reggie Miller
10. Manu Ginobili

Honarable Mention: Pete Maravich, Earl Monroe[/QUOTE]
My list.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Since when do RS stats have any bearing to Playoff stats. Also, pace.

BTW, Wade averaged 22/5/5 on 50% at a MUCH slower pace.


Nope. LeBron should've won it.



What the **** are you even talking about. Wade has what all 3 of those players have. Scoring title, Rings, FMVP, All-D selections, etc. You needed to bring up 3 players to compare to the achievements that ONLY Wade has.


How? Wade played against MUCH better competition and that's a FACT. The centers back then were amazing. Not the guards.


I've never used the word "fakkit", retard.

If you don't want to be called a retard, do some research next time before responding to posts.[/QUOTE]

You should really stop using the word retard. It's kind of offensive to heat fans

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Jerry West
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Clyde Drexler
7. George Gervin
8. Allen Iverson
9. Ray Allen
10. Reggie Miller

[QUOTE=D.J.]Defensive rating in 1972- 97.9
Defensive rating in 2012- 104.6


Wade also missed 17 games and played only 33 MPG to West's 38 MPG. Wade clearly became a role player to LeBron in '12.[/QUOTE]
Pace in 1972 - 112 (league average)
Pace in 2012 - 91.3


If adjusted for pace and minutes, Wade's stats would >>>>>>> '72 West's stats.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]You should really stop using the word retard. It's kind of offensive to heat fans[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but you took offense to me using the word retard. Wasn't a Heat fan who took offense. Clearly, Kobetards are retarded.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Since when do RS stats have any bearing to Playoff stats. Also, pace.

BTW, Wade averaged 22/5/5 on 50% at a MUCH slower pace.[/QUOTE]


How convenient you want to leave out RS stats to fit your agenda. Also, defensive rating. Significantly lower when West played.


[QUOTE]Nope. LeBron should've won it.[/QUOTE]


Nope, Rose should've won it. 25/8/4 while leading Chicago to 62 wins with Boozer and Noah missing nearly 60 games combined.


[QUOTE]What the **** are you even talking about. Wade has what all 3 of those players have. Scoring title, Rings, FMVP, All-D selections, etc. You needed to bring up 3 players to compare to the achievements that ONLY Wade has.[/QUOTE]


Not sure what you're trying to prove. Wade has 1 scoring title and only 1 Finals MVP. All-Defensive doesn't automatically put him above Iverson. Bowen has more All-Defensive selections too. Bringing up 3 players doesn't make Wade better. Sorry.


[QUOTE]How? Wade played against MUCH better competition and that's a FACT. The centers back then were amazing. Not the guards.[/QUOTE]


There were only 2 All-NBA teams until '89. Things would look much different if there was a third team. And even with only 2, West was still regularly on the 1st team.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Pace in 1972 - 112 (league average)
Pace in 2012 - 91.3


If adjusted for pace and minutes, Wade's stats would >>>>>>> '72 West's stats.[/QUOTE]


And even with a higher pace, the defensive rating was significantly lower when West played.

[QUOTE=D.J.]How convenient you want to leave out RS stats to fit your agenda. Also, defensive rating. Significantly lower when West played.[/quote]
Adjust Wade's stats for pacer and minutes, they's be much better than West's.


[QUOTE=D.J.]Nope, Rose should've won it. 25/8/4 while leading Chicago to 62 wins with Boozer and Noah missing nearly 60 games combined.[/quote]
Been done to death. Not going to argue about that crap again.


[QUOTE=D.J.]Not sure what you're trying to prove. Wade has 1 scoring title and only 1 Finals MVP. All-Defensive doesn't automatically put him above Iverson. Bowen has more All-Defensive selections too. Bringing up 3 players doesn't make Wade better. Sorry.[/quote]
:facepalm

How many FMVP's does AI have? Rings? All-Defensive teams?

1 MVP and 4 scoring titles won't put him above Wade, especially considering the FACT that AI was a low efficiency volume scorer.

Wade is a better rebounder, a better defender, extremely underrated passer, MUCH more efficient, etc. He's a damn good scorer as well.

Sorry, but 3 rings, 1 FMVP >>>>>>> 1 MVP.

Wade is a LOT better than AI and it's actually not even close.

[QUOTE=D.J.]There were only 2 All-NBA teams until '89. Things would look much different if there was a third team. And even with only 2, West was still regularly on the 1st team.[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't change the fact that the guards back then sucked ass.

[QUOTE=D.J.]And even with a higher pace, the defensive rating was significantly lower when West played.[/QUOTE]
Again, pace. what don't you understand? Also, you can't just compare DRTG across eras.

1972 PPG - 110.2 (league average)
2012 PPG - 96.3

Jerry West in back to back finals losses put up....


53 points(10 assists)
41 points
24
40
39
26
42/13/12 game 7
33
34
34/9 including his famous halfcourt shot at the buzzer:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVGIVgVRw6g[/url]

Which these days would have been a 3....giving the Lakers a 2-1 lead in the series
He follows that up with...

37 points 18 assists and 5 rebounds
20/4(worst game)
33/13/6
28/6/5

Put 09 Wade in the 60s...he wouldnt do much if any more than that. And all he would get for it is people today saying he wouldnt do it today.


What is Wade really gonna do that West didnt? Have 58/10 instead of 53 and 10? Have 60/16/16 instead of West 40+ triple double?

Hell...

Would Wade still be in the NBA given 60s medical care? Hes resting sections of the year given millions of dollars and the magic of modern doctors. Wade doesnt strike me as the type to hold up in those days.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Jerry West in back to back finals losses put up....


53 points(10 assists)
41 points
24
40
39
26
42/13/12 game 7
33
34
34/9 including his famous halfcourt shot at the buzzer:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVGIVgVRw6g[/url]

Which these days would have been a 3....giving the Lakers a 2-1 lead in the series
He follows that up with...

37 points 18 assists and 5 rebounds
20/4(worst game)
33/13/6
28/6/5

Put 09 Wade in the 60s...he wouldnt do much if any more than that. And all he would get for it is people today saying he wouldnt do it today.


What is Wade really gonna do that West didnt? Have 58/10 instead of 53 and 10? Have 60/16/16 instead of West 40+ triple double?

Hell...

Would Wade still be in the NBA given 60s medical care? Hes resting sections of the year given millions of dollars and the magic of modern doctors. Wade doesnt strike me as the type to hold up in those days.[/QUOTE]
Wade > West

[B]Considering everything, career all-time:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Jerry West
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Clyde Drexler
6. Allen Iverson
7. George Gervin (gets underrated plenty, could even be higher.. check out his career and his play)
8. Sidney Moncrief (getting overlooked like crazy here smdh)
9. Joe Dumars (also getting underrated/forgotten here)
10. Ray Allen/Earl Monroe*

HM: Reggie Miller, Pete Maravich, Sam Jones*, Manu Ginobili, Mitch Richmmond, David Thompson, Vince Carter, Hal Greer.......

Primes/peaks would be different though, even 1/2 dudes mentioned in the HM above, could be top10.

*Edit: Shit, now that I really thought about it, Sam Jones deserves to be in that lower half of the top10, probably 9th or 10th, bouncing Ray-Ray out of the top10.
[/B]

Feel free to say it again. The book on that issue is pretty much written. The Heat could win 3 more rings I doubt Wade goes any higher than Hondo. And hes never been ranked over West either. Just a lot of talk for nothing really.

Once you get far enough behind your teams #1 far as the best player little you do even gets credited. Wade winning rings as a 16/5/4 player or whatever he was last playoffs is gonna hurt his standing not help it in the eyes of people like those here who will find any reaon to hate on the past.

The ISH of 2034 is gonna clown the hell outta Wade. It wont be fair. But its gonna happen.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Pace in 1972 - 112 (league average)
Pace in 2012 - 91.3


If adjusted for pace and minutes, Wade's stats would >>>>>>> '72 West's stats.


I'm sorry, but you took offense to me using the word retard. Wasn't a Heat fan who took offense. Clearly, Kobetards are retarded.[/QUOTE]


You're too dumb to realize when somebody is sneek dissing you. :roll:

Keep up your convincing "****ing retards wade da best 1 year peak eva omg 09 wade da goat" argument. It's working well

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]You're too dumb to realize when somebody is sneek dissing you. :roll:

Keep up your convincing "****ing retards wade da best 1 year peak eva omg 09 wade da goat" argument. It's working well[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, you're doing it again. Stop being a retard. I said I have West at #3. Higher than Wade. :facepalm

Retard.

[B]Just to remind folks here..

Sidney Moncrief was once the best SG in the league, before injuries and Jordan's arrival, many on your lists can't claim that. He has 5 all-nba teams including 1st once (with the likes of Magic, Gervin, Isiah or Jordan in the league), he made 4 all-defensive 1st and won 2 DPOY's, also was 5 times top10 in MVP voting, including 4th once. He's arguably the greatest defensive guard ever, he was averaging around 21/6/5 on great efficiency in his prime, and had some great playoff runs while leading his team deep, one of the few guards to lead his team in points, rebounds and assists, for a season, also. His career was cut short by recurring injuries when he was still relatively young but to me he's top10 and above some of those more known names.

Joe Dumars has two rings and a FMVP, he was putting like 20/5 in his prime, making all-defensive 1st and even 2nd all-nba once, not the greatest longevity but solid enough and had some good post-season runs... All-in-all just can't put the likes of Ray Allen or Reggie Miller above.

Earl Monroe also had a really good prime/peak and even got to win a title as a good contributor.

George Gervin had a stellar career and he's close to the top5 here.

I'll say it again though, if it was only primes/peaks my list would've been different.[/B]

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Just to remind folks here..

Sidney Moncrief was once the best SG in the league, before injuries and Jordan's arrival, many on your lists can't claim that. He has 5 all-nba teams including 1st once (with the likes of Magic, Gervin, Isiah or Jordan in the league), he made 4 all-defensive 1st and won 2 DPOY's, also was 5 times top10 in MVP voting, including 4th once. He's arguably the greatest defensive guard ever, he was averaging around 21/6/5 on great efficiency in his prime, and had some great playoff runs while leading his team deep, one of the few guards to lead his team in points, rebounds and assists, for a season, also. His career was cut short by recurring injuries when he was still relatively young but to me he's top10 and above some of those more known names.

Joe Dumars has two rings and a FMVP, he was putting like 20/5 in his prime, making all-defensive 1st and even 2nd all-nba once, not the greatest longevity but solid enough and had some good post-season runs... All-in-all just can't put the likes of Ray Allen or Reggie Miller above.

Earl Monroe also had a really good prime/peak and even got to win a title as a good contributor.

George Gervin had a stellar career and he's close to the top5 here.

I'll say it again though, if it was only primes/peaks my list would've been different.[/B][/QUOTE]

I mean its your opinion and its a solid one but for me I'd def put allen above moncrief and dumars probably reggie too but like I said its your opinion