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if the sixers end up with andrew wiggins
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ok maybe thats a little extreme but i would be really happy about the 76ers future
Dante Exum
[QUOTE=COnDEMnED]I hope they don't **** this up, I'm going to feel bad for Cavs fans if they blow it again.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how bad you have to be to blow 3 #1 picks..
[QUOTE=Le Shaqtus]I don't know how bad you have to be to blow 3 #1 picks..[/QUOTE]
Does this post suggest you think Kyrie Irving was a poor choice?
Lol of course the Cavs will **** this up. Would be nice to see them pick Randle or someone to go nicely with the others except Kyrie.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Lol of course the Cavs will **** this up. Would be nice to see them pick Randle or someone to go nicely with the others except Kyrie.[/QUOTE]
^^^Mad the Cavs' jump cost Motown its pick. :oldlol:
This pick is an utter no-brainer, imo.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Does this post suggest you think Kyrie Irving was a poor choice?[/QUOTE]
Never been fond of Irving to be honest, and he hasn't really made their situation any different which is what a #1 pick is supposed to do.
Mad Joe D lost the pick, but happy 50 years of Cleveland ineptitude will continue to ruin any perceived luck.
Lol yeah, if Kyrie was even decent you'd think he could avoid back2back #1 picks after he was drafted.
Dat dere defense doe.
[QUOTE=Le Shaqtus]Never been fond of Irving to be honest, and he hasn't really made their situation any different which is what a #1 pick is supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
This is true, but there was and hasn't been anyone better from that draft. Irving by far has been the best player from that draft. I don't think the Cavs would be in any better of a situation if they had drafted Derrick Williams or someone else.
[QUOTE=Le Shaqtus]Never been fond of Irving to be honest, and he hasn't really made their situation any different which is what a #1 pick is supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
So, you think Derrick Williams would have been the correct pick? Those were the only two guys considered by anyone as a legitimate choice at No. 1. And, the Cavs' record has improved in each of Kyrie's first three years, including +12 in wins this past season.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Lol yeah, if Kyrie was even decent you'd think he could avoid back2back #1 picks after he was drafted.
Dat dere defense doe.[/QUOTE]
There was a 1% chance of the Cavs getting this pick. lol
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]There was a 1% chance of the Cavs getting this pick. lol[/QUOTE]
1.7%, but yea...
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]There was a 1% chance of the Cavs getting this pick. lol[/QUOTE]
He's been out of the playoffs and on at least a 10th worst team in a historically bad conference 3 years running.
And as far as Kyries draft goes, I'm not sure it's right but Kemba took his team to the playoffs.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]And as far as Kyries draft goes, I'm not sure it's right but [B]Al Jefferson[/B] took his team to the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]He's been out of the playoffs and on at least a 10th worst team in a historically bad conference 3 years running.[/QUOTE]
Well, everyone seems to be in love with John Wall right now and Kyrie's Cavs have consistently been better than Wall's Wizards over their first three years in the league.
Doesn't happen overnight. Hell, Steph Curry was just a rookie and his team was 26-56 at Kyrie's age. And, he had a pretty nice, veteran roster around him, whereas Kyrie is surrounded by fellow 20 to 22-year-olds trying to find their way in the league.
I think you're being a bit narrow sighted... or trolling me, which is probably the reality. You can't possibly believe that Irving was the wrong pick in 2011. I just don't believe that you believe that, at the time or in retrospect.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Al Jefferson is easily the best player on that team and there are also a plethora of valuable veterans in that starting lineup and rotation logging heavy minutes (Gerald Henderson, Josh McRoberts, Jeffery Taylor, Ramon Sessions, Gary Neal, etc).
Completely and totally different situation.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Come on now, are you seriously trying to argue Kyrie was the wrong pick at #1? If that draft happened again today, he'd still be the #1 pick.
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Come on now, are you seriously trying to argue Kyrie was the wrong pick at #1? If that draft happened again today, he'd still be the #1 pick.[/QUOTE]
...and there would be no discussion. Am I taking crazy pills, here?
They drafted Lebron and Kyrie #1 overall so I think they are pretty good at what they do. Especially in such a stacked draft.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Couple of things...
1.) Kemba Walker isn't the best player on the Hornets, Al Jefferson is with his 51%, 22/11 season.
2.) Kemba almost had no numbers better than Irving this season and Irving actually regressed offensively this past season. Irving shot 4% better than Walker from the field overall, Irving shot 3% better from the three, Irving shot 2% better than Walker from the line, they both had exactly the same assists, Irving had 0.3 more SPG, Walker had 0.6 more RPG, Walker had 0.4 less TOPG, Irving scored 3.1 more PPG.
3.) Yes, let's pretend Charlotte hasn't had any high picks recently. 2013 they had the #4 pick, 2012 when Cleveland picked Waiters at #4 the Bobcats had the #2 pick with MKG. So yes, I guess Walker hasn't had any high draft picks to work with at all.
I never said he was the wrong pick. You quoted me and then fabricated a reasoning.
He's never made the playoffs in one of the most absolute historically weak conferences in the history of the NBA after three years of top 4 picks, and a coach and center who's either been to the finals or won it.
That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Al Jefferson is easily the best player on that team and there are also a plethora of valuable veterans in that starting lineup and rotation logging heavy minutes (Gerald Henderson, Josh McRoberts, Jeffery Taylor, Ramon Sessions, Gary Neal, etc).
Completely and totally different situation.[/QUOTE]
No one was lining up to get Jefferson; how do you think he ended up on the f[I]u[/I]cking Bobcats? Bynum was a top player on a championship team. In retrospect both seem unlikely but you can't sit here and pretend the players around them (Kyrie and Kemba) had nothing to do with the outcome.
You CavTards want to sit here and treat Kyrie like he's playing baseball.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]No one was lining up to get Jefferson; how do you think he ended up on the f[I]u[/I]cking Bobcats?[/QUOTE]
Several teams showed interest in him, it's just the fact Jefferson took the most money. Plain and simple. He ended up having his best season in like 5 years. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]I never said he was the wrong pick. You quoted me and then fabricated a reasoning. [/quote]
No, I assumed that's what you were arguing since you stepped right into the middle of a debate about how the Cavs could "blow" three No. 1 picks. When you interject a very low opinion of Irving into that conversation, people are naturally going to assume you are siding with the "bad pick" scenario.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]He's never made the playoffs in one of the most absolute historically weak conferences in the history of the NBA after three years of top 4 picks, and a coach and center who's either been to the finals or won it. [/quote]
The Cavs weren't even trying to make the playoffs during his first two years in the league. Dan Gilbert and Chris Grant notoriously and publicly talked about a "three year plan" that they had devised for them to get into playoff contention.
This past season was their first real attempt to make it in, and it was marred -- not by Irving -- but by the Andrew Bynum experiment that went hopelessly wrong almost immediately. The Cavs were 17 games below .500 with him on the roster and with a completely healthy team around him. They were virtually .500 after he was traded and they managed to do so even with injuries to key guys (Irving, Waiters, Deng, Varejao).
We'll never know if it was a playoff team without the Bynum experiment in the first half of the season, but the numbers usually don't lie when they're that glaring. And, in retrospect, I'll take not making the playoffs last season for Joel Embiid being our center for the next 8+ years.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to see these "better" stats from Kemba. A very quick glimpse shows little support for that notion. Less points on far worse efficiency and less assists, while being on a roster where he was more of an afterthought for opposing defenses who had to contend with Al Jefferson on a nightly basis.
Meanwhile, Irving was the focus of every opponent, every night, all season long, and he still put up 20+/6+ with a career low turnover rate and improved defense.
No, I don't see where you're coming from.
[QUOTE=Springsteen]Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.[/QUOTE]
Lol he took a 3 year deal. Wake up idiot. No one wanted him.
[QUOTE=Springsteen]Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out. I'm pretty accepting of where the Pistons are at after 4-5 bad years; it's amazing to see you Cav homers come hard after a half century of suck. You guys are delusional.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out.[/QUOTE]
Ummmm, those stats show Walker's 2014 playoff stats, while the Irving's is the whole season. So Walker's stats are from a 4 game sample. :applause:
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied. Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out.[/QUOTE]
So, you compare 4 games by Walker to 71 by Irving? :oldlol:
You can't be serious right now. This [I][B]has [/B][/I]to be an attempt at trolling. I'm now convinced.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out. I'm pretty accepting of where the Pistons are at after 4-5 bad years; it's amazing to see you Cav homers come hard after a half century of suck. You guys are delusional.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Lol it pulls up playoff stats.
Well I wasn't really trying to say Kyrie was the wrong pick just sticking up for someone in his class that's done better from an achievement perspective. The point remains he hasn't done shit, and neither has the organization, after several top picks in a historically terrible conference.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Well I wasn't really trying to say Kyrie was the wrong pick just sticking up for someone in his class that's done better from an achievement perspective. The point remains he hasn't done shit, and neither has the organization, after several top picks in a historically terrible conference.[/QUOTE]
Walker hasn't done anything better than Irving individually since they were drafted. I don't remember Walker winning Rookie of the Year. I don't remember Walker winning the three point contest. I don't remember Walker making an All-Star team. I don't remember Walker winning All-Star MVP. The Bobcats made the playoffs, that's it. Jordan dumped $13.5 million a year on Jefferson to start making the playoffs right f*cking NOW. You know the highest signed free agent since Irving was drafted? Jarrett Jack at $6.3 million.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Walker hasn't done anything better than Irving individually since they were drafted. I don't remember Walker winning Rookie of the Year. I don't remember Walker winning MVP of the Rookie/Sophomore game. I don't remember Walker making an All-Star team. I don't remember Walker winning All-Star MVP. The Bobcats made the playoffs, that's it. Jordan dumped $13.5 million a year on Jefferson to start making the playoffs right f*cking NOW. You know the highest signed free agent since Irving was drafted? Jarrett Jack at $6.3 million.[/QUOTE]
I remember Walker making the playoffs tough guy. I'll take that over MVP at the AND1 All Star Rookie Game.
Was it not the Cavs plans to make the playoffs this year? Did they not trade for Deng, hire their old proven coach, and sign Bynum? Kyrie could not get it done. He's a solid offensive player who doesn't do shit on defense, isn't a leader, and doesn't make players around him better.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]I remember Walker making the playoffs tough guy. I'll take that over MVP at the AND1 All Star Rookie Game.
Was it not the Cavs plans to make the playoffs this year? Did they not trade for Deng, hire their old proven coach, and sign Bynum? Kyrie could not get it done. He's a solid offensive player who doesn't do shit on defense, isn't a leader, and doesn't make players around him better.[/QUOTE]
The Cavs missed the playoffs and it was their goal to make it I agree. Where did that put the Bobcats and Cavs? Cavs get the #1 pick. Bobcats got swept.
I would offer the pick to the Pistons for Drummond straight up.