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[QUOTE=andgar923]or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.[/QUOTE]
Nah, whites just had the technical power to do the same shit everyone has been doing since the dawn of man but to a much more devastating and definitive effect.
Man is inherently evil, unfortunate as it is to say.
[QUOTE=BasedTom]Look at Australia before and after. How dare those evil imperialists bring schools, technology, and hospitals to the lands they colonized.
Not every place was the Belgian Congo...And let's be real here, Belgium should never have entered the race in the first place.[/QUOTE]
i dont think you know australian history but tons of indigenous people died amongst other things when Cook arrived at Australia...
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??[/QUOTE]
You should've read the full post, but i just wanted to be clear
I said that there really is no american interest in this situation because you said I only wanted what's best for america.
Just pointing out that america will be fine either way. I think currently a partition of the country is the only hope to avoid a civil war, if not a massive regional war.
America would imo bear a significant amount of responsibility for any Sunni-shia war, as our push for democracy in Iraq triggered it imo. We should have just let saddam control iraq if the alternative was this.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]My point was america is going to be fine either way, one of the main reasons I think assigning a pro american dictator in Iraq would have been a good idea is because I legitimately think it would benefit the innocent people of Iraq and the whole region.
American foreign policy is selfish, no doubt,[B] but america is overall a moral country and would lead to better outcomes in the long run imo. [/B]Eg. how we ran the occupation of Japan after WW2
How I rank the possible outcomes in this situation:
1. establish a pro american moderate sunni dictator. An Iraqi Hosni Mubarak basically.
IMO ideally we would have kept in place Saddam's military and the Baath party. The Baath party had all the experienced technocrats and Saddam had one of the strongest armies in the middle east (they tied with Iran during the iraqi-iran war)
We would have chosen a moderate among the sunni elite, a non-crazy person.
Iraqis would benefit because the order that would have been kept in place by not dismantling the military and government institutions. Also the guy we chose would have been less crazy than saddam, Qusay, or Uday.
Eg. the rape rooms would have been gotten rid of.
2. Leave Saddam in power. Saddams crazy sons (read up on them, they were worse than he was) would have also been left in power.
3. what we actually did, push for democratic elections, which inevitably would have resulted in civil war given the historical and demographic context of Iraq[/QUOTE]
one day you will wake up from your delusions.
not ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.:facepalm
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]You should've read the full post, but i just wanted to be clear
I said that there really is no american interest in this situation because you said I only wanted what's best for america.
Just pointing out that america will be fine either way. I think currently a partition of the country is the only hope to avoid a civil war, if not a massive regional war.
America would imo bear a significant amount of responsibility for any Sunni-shia war, as our push for democracy in Iraq triggered it imo. [B]We should have just let saddam control iraq if the alternative was this.[/B][/QUOTE]
not only in Iraq.
to a lesser extend look at Libya and the north african countries. CIA and similar western institutions of other countries boosted the revelution there.
America destroyed Gaddafis regime.
and now look what a once quite wealthy and well developed country has become: an absolute SHITHOLE.
that happens everytime America claims they "free" a country. EVERY single time.
yet American people still let their politicians get away with it or even support the wars:facepalm
[QUOTE=tomtucker]no, that was donald rumsfelt and bush.........not the US population[/QUOTE]
Technically, it was the Mahdi Army. They also filmed it.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Technically, it was the Mahdi Army. They also filmed it.
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:applause: Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
Still he could have stopped this mess happening today. ISIL is just take towns at will now
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]one day you will wake up from your delusions.
not ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
:facepalm your criticisms would be less hypocritical if you didn't simultaneously dismiss the far more purposeful crimes of the German empire.
Further as a german you should be thankful that america kept the USSR from occupying all of germany. Eg. compare west germany and east germany.
America helped germany and western europe a lot. Do you honestly think after the devastation of WW2 without american interference you all wouldn't have become soviet satellites?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany[/url]
[QUOTE]As Allied troops entered and occupied German territory during the later stages of World War II mass rapes took place both in connection with combat operations and during the subsequent occupation. Most Western scholars agree that the majority of the rapes were committed by Soviet servicemen, but estimates vary widely. Russian historians have criticized the estimates and argue that these crimes were not widespread.
[B]The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers ranged up to 2 million.[1][6][7][8][9] In many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[10] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[7] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[11] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[3][12] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone[/B].[/QUOTE]
via the marshall plan the US made modern europe possible
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan[/url]
[QUOTE]The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was the American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II in order to prevent the spread of Soviet Communism.[1] The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948.[2] The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, and make Europe prosperous again.[3] The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale rescue program.[4]
The initiative[5] was named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan, with help from Brookings Institution, as requested by Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[6] Marshall spoke of an urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.
Nobody from western europe, Canada, Kuwait, japan, taiwan or south korea has any right to criticize america.
if Germany would have gotten absorbed by the USA i wouldnt complain( i wouldnt have been born anyway) because they would have deserved it.
what Germany did in the past in a 20 year span has nothing to do with what America is doing through their entire history to this day
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]if Germany would have gotten absorbed by the USA i wouldnt complain( i wouldnt have been born anyway) because they would have deserved it.
what Germany did in t[B][B]he past in a 20 year span has [/B][/B]nothing to do with what America is doing through their entire history to this day[/QUOTE]
You realize imperial germany is different from nazi germany right?
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]You realize imperial germany is different from nazi germany right?[/QUOTE]
no,i
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]one day you will wake up from your delusions.
n[B][B]ot ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.[/B][/B]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Off the top of my head:
Taiwan - Chiang Kai Shek was a dictator that only managed to survive losing the chinese civil war, because the US 7th fleet prevented mao from invading. He was basically a military dictator in taiwan until his death
[QUOTE]Chiang Ching kuo succeeded his father to serve as Premier of the Republic of China between 1972 and 1978, and was the President of the Republic of China from 1978 until his death in 1988. Under his tenure, the government of the Republic of China, while authoritarian, became more open and tolerant of political dissent. Towards the end of his life, Chiang relaxed government controls on the media and speech and allowed native Taiwanese into positions of power, including his successor Lee Teng-hui.[/QUOTE]
It was only during his son's leadership of taiwan that it became a genuine democracy. Today Taiwan is a vibrant pro american democracy with a dynamic free market economy. People live in a highly developed first world country.
South Korea -Syngman Rhee and Park Chung-hee were both dictators of south korea. Korea was a colony of japan. The russians took the north, we took the south. The russians gave the north to kim il sung. We gave the south to rhee
[QUOTE]Park Chung-hee (Korean: [paktɕ͈ʌŋhi] 14 November 1917 – 26 October 1979) was a South Korean president and military general who led South Korea from 1961 until his assassination in 1979. Park seized power through a military coup d'
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]:facepalm your criticisms would be less hypocritical if you didn't simultaneously dismiss the far more purposeful crimes of the German empire.
Further as a german you should be thankful that america kept the USSR from occupying all of germany. Eg. compare west germany and east germany.
America helped germany and western europe a lot. Do you honestly think after the devastation of WW2 without american interference you all wouldn't have become soviet satellites?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany[/url]
via the marshall plan the US made modern europe possible
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan[/url]
You're welcome.
Nobody from western europe, Canada, Kuwait, japan, taiwan or south korea has any right to criticize america.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to 2014. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Done_And_Done]Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...[/QUOTE]
that's not truth
see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)
Your great grandfather was just as bad as me. Therefore you can't criticize me. Some logic. :applause:
I love the US as a country but the foreign policy has done A LOT of damage, with a little bit of good sprinkled in between, and needs a MAJOR overhaul.
[QUOTE=Gr
Isis captured the country's main oil refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]US foreign policy has done far more good than bad.
The fact that you dont speak russian is a testament to that fact.
If a south american were to criticize american foreign policy, than thats fair. But not a western european[/QUOTE]
Like I said, welcome to 2014.
[QUOTE=Gr
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]1. name a country in the world that does more good than the US currently?
2. - Guaranteeing the defense and sovereignty of NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, philippines, Israel, arab allies, etc Thus allowing these countries to spend on non military things.
- largest total expenditure on foreign aid
- largest culumlative private donations to foreign charities
Basically every time a country gets in trouble it turns to the US.
Eg. Ukraine[/QUOTE]
America!!!
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]1. name a country in the world that does more good than the US currently?
2. - Guaranteeing the defense and sovereignty of NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, philippines, [B]Israel[/B], arab allies, etc Thus allowing these countries to spend on non military things.
- largest total expenditure on foreign aid
- largest culumlative private donations to foreign charities
Basically every time a country gets in trouble it turns to the US.
Eg. Ukraine[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
It's like you think supporting an oppressive apartheid state is a good thing. If USA bombed Serbia for what they did, then the Zionist state in Palestine deserves much much worse. But where's the money in that?
[QUOTE=BasedTom]:biggums:
It's like you think supporting an oppressive apartheid state is a good thing. If USA bombed Serbia for what they did, then the Zionist state in Palestine deserves much much worse. But where's the money in that?[/QUOTE]
Be careful you can be banned for this just saying:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=zoom17]Be careful you can be banned for this just saying:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I don't mind jews at all. Hell, I live in a city with a sizable community of them and have had the great opportunity to meet Holocaust survivors.
The troubles of the past don't excuse the crimes going on today. All groups and people are capable of committing evils
The World must fear evil men... but there is a greater evil... one that the World must fear most of all... and that is the indifference of good men.
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]that's not truth
see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)[/QUOTE]
+ a higher crime rate........the weak punishments in euro countries means they don
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]that's not truth
see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)[/QUOTE]
Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............
I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][B]US foreign policy has done far more good than bad.[/B]
The fact that you dont speak russian is a testament to that fact.
If a south american were to criticize american foreign policy, than thats fair. But not a western european[/QUOTE]
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Link in the OP is down. Anybody have another?
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americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world. thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm
[QUOTE=pastis]americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world. thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm[/QUOTE]
hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm
Hearts and minds obviously won.
There is no solution, these people are still in the dark ages.
Divine right no doubt, in their heads and many others what they are doing is justified.
[QUOTE=pauk]Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............
I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........[/QUOTE]
There are people with Kosovo passports in the OP's video. Just saying.
[QUOTE=pauk]Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............
I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........[/QUOTE]
Relatively. It's true that Bosnia is one of the shining examples of a liberal interpretation in the Muslim world (a sample size of around 0,1% of the global Muslim population).
And even in Bosnia 15% of the Muslims agree the death penalty should apply to anyone leaving Islam. That's a huge percentage of batshit insane, foaming at the mouth crazy people. To say that has nothing at all to do with Islam is to be willfully ignorant.
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]that's not truth
see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)[/QUOTE]
lol@this bullshit
[QUOTE=brownmamba00]lol@this bullshit[/QUOTE]
proof? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=fiddy]proof? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
up to 100% support for extremism :roll:
I know yall bulgarians are some of the most islamophobic mfers on earth but yall should learn not to talk out of your ass.
Only in Iraq Afghanistan Palestine aka places that get gangraped by the US and Israel will you see hunger for extreme violence in the 90%s and that's because they really don't know better and don't see a way out for their motherland that has turned into a shithole over the years through exploitation. Combine that with poverty and an almost non-existant education system and that's what you will get.
btw where do yall get these stats 15% want the death penalty for apostasy in Bosnia? It's only 2 percent.
[url]http://edisworldview.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/what-is-the-problem-within-islam/[/url]
as for ISIS, the war that is going on is purely for political power and money. The Salafis are brain washing young adults between 18-24 in Europe to come and fight for them and kill fellow muslims. (which is strictly forbidden in the Kuran)
The Salafis are even sending young women over to syria to cook and **** for the soldiers...these are the people who are destroying the image of Islam.
btw why are the US allies funding ISIS? (the saudis, kuwait,etc)
shit looks shady to say the least.
[QUOTE=brownmamba00]up to 100% support for extremism :roll:
I know yall bulgarians are some of the most islamophobic mfers on earth but yall [B]should learn not to talk out of your ass[/B].
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Im not claiming anything. :no: No one is repressed or forbidden to express his religion in Bulgaria, unfortunately new mosques are being in Bulgaria almost every year. Despite everything i just said, we have our reasons to be islamophobic. For the record im atheist.
As for USA's buddies funding ISIS they might want to take down Iran.
These Fcked up countries living in 4th world mentality just piss me right off.
nothing good comes from these countries harboring extremist groups and men who support women oppression.
This sounds bad, but the world would be better off if we wiped Saudi Arabia and other religious fanatic harboring countries off the face of the earth and start again. These neanderthal living degenerates need to catch up with the times...
[QUOTE=poido123]These Fcked up countries living in 4th world mentality just piss me right off.
nothing good comes from these countries harboring extremist groups and men who support women oppression.
This sounds bad, but the world would be better off if we wiped Saudi Arabia and other religious fanatic harboring countries off the face of the earth and start again. These neanderthal living degenerates need to [B]catch up with the times[/B]...[/QUOTE]
What are they missing? Justin Bieber? Miley Cyrus? Gay Marriages? Feminism? Western society has been going downhill as well for some time.