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4th seed. In a weak-as-shit conference.
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Still will be short the 20 mill and not reach his max number. The only team capable of paying Melo max money is Dallas and NY.[/B][/QUOTE]
I guess it's a good thing that Melo himself has stated repeatedly that he is willing to take less money to be on a winning team, right? And that just yesterday he said that if he came to Chicago he wanted Taj on the team and would take less money to do it.
[QUOTE=el gringos]So many people are mistaking the bulls need for Carmelo w Carmelo needing the bulls. [B]The bulls roster and ownership are a terrible fit for carmelo.[/B][/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Chicago's defense will cover his defensive deficiencies well so he can chill on defense while going all out on offense. Chicago is a good fit for him.
[QUOTE=Milbuck]I guess it's a good thing that Melo himself has stated repeatedly that he is willing to take less money to be on a winning team, right? And that just yesterday he said that if he came to Chicago he wanted Taj on the team and would take less money to do it.[/QUOTE]
[B]Less money what magic number is he supposed to play for 16 mill? wtf is wrong with fans these days. if you believe this you must play on the short bus.
If you asked Wade, Bosh, LBJ to play for that kind of money to stay together is one thing(4 finals 2 rings together). To have Duncan 1 team for 20 years play for that money 5 titles 3000 years old, even Dirk 1 Championship 1 team for 20 years 3000 years old...
You are telling me a dude in his prime with no allegiance to a city, uproot his family and come play for 16 or 17 mill for these teams is a pipe dream. And it guarantees nothing... [/B]
still think the promise of Rose and Noah is not enough for Melo to leave all of those millions in New York.
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Less money what magic number is he supposed to play for 16 mill? wtf is wrong with fans these days. if you believe this you must play on the short bus.
If you asked Wade, Bosh, LBJ to play for that kind of money to stay together is one thing(4 finals 2 rings together). To have Duncan 1 team for 20 years play for that money 5 titles 3000 years old, even Dirk 1 Championship 1 team for 20 years...
You are telling me a dude in his prime with no allegiance to a city, uproot his family and come play for 16 or 17 mill for these teams is a pipe dream.[/B][/QUOTE]
The only pipe dream is people like you clinging to the hope that Melo is going to choose money he doesn't need over having a chance to dominate his conference and contend consistently. The Miami comparison makes absolutely no sense considering that these guys could be just as good. Miami had the big 3, and then 60 feet of shit below them. Chicago would have the core of Rose/Noah/Melo, to add to Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, etc. and a top 3 coach in the NBA/defensive genius.
I don't understand how people can be this clueless. First of all, the 15-16 mil figure is close to the lowest Chicago would offer him, in the case that Melo is willing to take it in order to keep as many existing Bulls pieces there. And according to all sources from yesterday's meeting, Melo has clearly stated that he'd be willing to take less to keep important pieces on the team - namely Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson.
F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking LOL at 17 million being a pipe dream. The guy has stated he could retire this second and be fine, and now he's going to scoff at 17 million on the absolute best possible situation for his basketball career and legacy?
If Phil and Dolan are retarded enough to give Melo 130/5, Melo may very well take it. But to suggest that any other scenario aside from him staying on the Knicks is a "pipe dream" is a blatant deflection of all facts and reports that have come out on this whole situation.
[B]The reality is he isnt going to take that much of discount unless its Miami. He is going to take a chance on Rose being healthy and Noah who has a history of not playing a full season either....
Its a pipe dream to think he's going to take that much of a discount, uproot and piss off his family to chase a ring with 2 injury prone players. In a city that he isnt even invested in.
Dolan would probably give him the max but Zen isnt.
Like I said there are only 2 teams that can give him 20 mill thats NY and Dallas and thats probably what its going to take at minimum.[/B]
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]The reality is he isnt going to take that much of discount unless its Miami. He is going to take a chance on Rose being healthy and Noah who has a history of not playing a full season either....
Its a pipe dream to think he's going to take that much of a discount, uproot and piss off his family to chase a ring with 2 injury prone players. In a city that he isnt even invested in.
Dolan would probably give him the max but Zen isnt.
Like I said there are only 2 teams that can give him 20 mill thats NY and Dallas and thats probably what its going to take at minimum.[/B][/QUOTE]
You're just recycling the same thing you've been posting consistently, saying the same thing repeatedly in different ways does not make it true. All of your reasoning is inconsistent with reports regarding the situation, and is based on pure gut feeling.
Phil said if it takes max that is "not a problem". He then talked about the cap going up for anyone who wants to willingly misinterpret it. Phil will give max if needed, which makes Chicago offer much less, as much as $45/$50 less. That's enormous. Chicago needs us to help them take Melo. Good luck with that.
[QUOTE=Milbuck]You're just recycling the same thing you've been posting consistently, saying the same thing repeatedly in different ways does not make it true. All of your reasoning is inconsistent with reports regarding the situation, and is based on pure gut feeling.[/QUOTE]
Chicago would need to start selling off assets cheap to approach that much space. He's not wrong.
[QUOTE=niko]Phil said if it takes max that is "not a problem". He then talked about the cap going up for anyone who wants to willingly misinterpret it. Phil will give max if needed, which makes Chicago offer much less, as much as $45/$50 less. That's enormous. Chicago needs us to help them take Melo. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls have a plethora of assets and young players on affordable contracts that the Knicks, especially Phil trying to clean up that mess of a franchise, would love to have if Melo leaves.
It wont take luck. It takes Melo choosing Chicago. If that happens, then the Knicks will be smart to get something, whether it be future 1sts and the rights to Mirotic etc.
[QUOTE=Milbuck]The only pipe dream is people like you clinging to the hope that Melo is going to choose money he doesn't need over having a chance to dominate his conference and contend consistently. The Miami comparison makes absolutely no sense considering that these guys could be just as good. Miami had the big 3, and then 60 feet of shit below them. Chicago would have the core of Rose/Noah/Melo, to add to Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, etc. and a top 3 coach in the NBA/defensive genius.
I don't understand how people can be this clueless. First of all, the 15-16 mil figure is close to the lowest Chicago would offer him, in the case that Melo is willing to take it in order to keep as many existing Bulls pieces there. And according to all sources from yesterday's meeting, Melo has clearly stated that he'd be willing to take less to keep important pieces on the team - namely Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson.
F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking LOL at 17 million being a pipe dream. The guy has stated he could retire this second and be fine, and now he's going to scoff at 17 million on the absolute best possible situation for his basketball career and legacy?
If Phil and Dolan are retarded enough to give Melo 130/5, Melo may very well take it. But to suggest that any other scenario aside from him staying on the Knicks is a "pipe dream" is a blatant deflection of all facts and reports that have come out on this whole situation.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Great post.
[QUOTE=niko]Chicago would need to start selling off assets cheap to approach that much space. He's not wrong.[/QUOTE]
For all anybody knows, the Bulls could have a 3rd team ready for a 3 way S&T or a team to dump Booz on for a year w/ the exception they get an extra 1st or 2 back w/ him.
Bulls also have 3 players non guaranteed for next season whose contracts equal up to an extra 4 million for some teams cap.
Sure Melo could take the max, but then that completely goes against everything he has said pertaining to free agency.
This will continue to boil down to where Melo chooses guys. If he wants to be a Bull, they will have their core intact for the most part if not completely. Windhorst, Broussard, and Penn even talked about how if the Bulls pull off a sign and trade, or even a trade moving Booz and not amnesting him, the Bulls will have the MLE and BAE to go afer more rotation players.
If he can't leave NYC for whatever reasons, and takes the max, he'll have more money than ever but will kill the Knicks flexibility. Or at least the flexibility Phil has in mind.
Niko, i fully understand the Bulls cap situation. We both are in agreement the Bulls have to do things to get Melo here for the right money and the core still in tact.
Dumping Booz wont be as hard as ppl make it out to be.
Remember when GS traded away Rjeff(11Mil) Biedrins(9mil) and Rush(4mil) to sign Andre Iggy?
Those guys were even more overpayed than Booz by far and aren't really even functioning NBA players.
Bulls are definitely in contact with bottom feeder teams like Orl, Philly, maybe even Jazz for a 1 year Booz reunion! lol
[QUOTE=Nash]still think the promise of Rose and Noah is not enough for Melo to leave all of those millions in New York.[/QUOTE]
Its just not the "promise" of Rose and Noah. You can't leave out Thibs who as big a factor as any here. And throw on the possibility of having other core players like Taj whos a beast and Jimmy 2nd team D Butler, rookie McDermott, maybe adding DJ/Hinrich back to the mix. Possibility of brining over Mirotic now or in a year.
Theres a lot to it.
[QUOTE]still think the promise of Rose and Noah is not enough for Melo to leave all of those millions in New York.[/QUOTE]
Rose is just icing on the cake, if Rose returns to form or close to it. If Rose becomes a run-of-the-mill 14/6 PG the Bulls with Carmelo are still a contender. This is a team that is a 45-50 win team even without Rose. If you add Carmelo and even a 50% Rose the Bulls join the Heat and Pacers at the top of the East. If Rose is anything close to his old self the Bulls with Carmelo are the favorite in the East.
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Its just not the "promise" of Rose and Noah. You can't leave out Thibs who as big a factor as any here. And throw on the possibility of having other core players like Taj whos a beast and Jimmy 2nd team D Butler, rookie McDermott, maybe adding DJ/Hinrich back to the mix. Possibility of brining over Mirotic now or in a year.
Theres a lot to it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Compare that to what the Knicks had to offer...NY's only case is more money and not having to move. If he signs with NY he has to know he will never win a ring as a major contributor (maybe he would win at 36 as a role player somewhere a la Payton and Zo') and would be forgotten. He is already 30 and the Knicks are not going to be contending anytime soon. If he goes to the Bulls he has a chance to be remembered as a great player if he wins a title with them.
It's already leaking the offer was shitty and the bulls are hard pressing on other guys. You're team isn't willing to take the huge hit required to pay Melo and the knicks aren't bending over for you to make it happen.
Because Noah by himself is better than the entire Knicks roster at this point.
[QUOTE=niko]It's already leaking the offer was shitty and the bulls are hard pressing on other guys. You're team isn't willing to take the huge hit required to pay Melo and the knicks aren't bending over for you to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
You seem upset. Insecure maybe?
[QUOTE=-Lebron23-]You seem upset. Insecure maybe?[/QUOTE]
Knicks fans don't want to lose Melo, and they act like chi just wants them to give him to us... its a trade u can have picks and maybe even mirotic but they want more. Fine don't sign and trade him, let him walk for nothing. What can the Knicks get that's better than what the bulls have to offer?
[QUOTE=dontgetchoked]Knicks fans don't want to lose Melo, and they act like chi just wants them to give him to us... its a trade u can have picks and maybe even mirotic but they want more. Fine don't sign and trade him, let him walk for nothing. What can the Knicks get that's better than what the bulls have to offer?[/QUOTE]
[B]Chi fans will be massively but hurt if he doesnt go there.
Zen will not give him away to help the other team. He will go for the throat if not we'll take the cap space and move on.[/B]
[QUOTE=dontgetchoked]Knicks fans don't want to lose Melo, and they act like chi just wants them to give him to us... its a trade u can have picks and maybe even mirotic but they want more. Fine don't sign and trade him, let him walk for nothing. What can the Knicks get that's better than what the bulls have to offer?[/QUOTE]
I just find it funny that Knicks fans act like they are on the driver's seat on this situation at all. The only reasons why Melo hasn't ruled out re-signing there are money and lifestyle, hardly merits of a franchise that fvcks up consistently yet keeps its fans thinking there is something special to it thanks to the cocoon that stupid NY media creates.
When the only reason a player of his caliber wants to stay with you is money, it might be time to let go
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Chi fans will be massively but hurt if he doesnt go there.
Zen will not give him away to help the other team. He will go for the throat if not we'll take the cap space and move on.[/B][/QUOTE]
He is not giving Melo away because Melo is an unrestricted free agent, meaning he can go where he wants. Can you understand that? Knicks can pay him more than anybody else, that's it.
If Melo says he's leaving, you know damn well Phil will try to get something in return. NBA basketball is a business, there's no place for feelings and Phil has the responsibility to do the best for his team.
[QUOTE=Fiddlesticks]Melo doesn't have to play defense because [B]Jimmy Butler [/B]will guard the other teams best Wing and Noah or[B] Gibson [/B]will guard the best big men. As a result Melo can always guard the other team's worst offensive player.[/QUOTE]
No chance that both those players are still on the team come opening night if Melo is on the roster.
[QUOTE=dontgetchoked]Knicks fans don't want to lose Melo, and they act like chi just wants them to give him to us... its a trade u can have picks and maybe even mirotic but they want more. Fine don't sign and trade him, let him walk for nothing. What can the Knicks get that's better than what the bulls have to offer?[/QUOTE]
Not all Knick fans. You would be suprised at the percentage that want him out of town.
[QUOTE=-Lebron23-]He is not giving Melo away because Melo is an unrestricted free agent, meaning he can go where he wants. Can you understand that? Knicks can pay him more than anybody else, that's it.
If Melo says he's leaving, you know damn well Phil will try to get something in return. NBA basketball is a business, there's no place for feelings and Phil has the responsibility to do the best for his team.[/QUOTE]
Have read anything anyone wrote? You coming in stating the obvious means you should go away.
We will not help him get his money and stay in the East. I dont know for a fact but Zen isnt an idiot. Take the 17 mill and go away. Would i rather get something sure somewhat but i dont want him to benefit from my teams loss.
The only great thing we get would be from luxury tax hell. Thats a fresh and good start.
[QUOTE=Rameek]Have read anything anyone wrote? You coming in stating the obvious means you should go away.
We will not help him get his money and stay in the East. I dont know for a fact but Zen isnt an idiot. Take the 17 mill and go away. Would i rather get something sure somewhat but i dont want him to benefit from my teams loss.
The only great thing we get would be from luxury tax hell. Thats a fresh and good start.[/QUOTE]
You're so butthurt you can't even make sense.
It won't matter to you where Melo goes because as soon as he leaves the Knicks are rebuilding and should be looking to get as many assets as possible.
Of course fans like you will be so butthurt that would prefer to renounce those assets just to see Melo fail. Unfortunately for you that's not how decision making at senior management levels work. If Cleveland agreed to S&T Lebron back in 2010, I bet you NY would agree to do the same for Melo now.
[QUOTE=smoovegittar]Not all Knick fans. You would be suprised at the percentage that want him out of town.[/QUOTE]
no way he'll be worth what he'll be making in the 3rd, 4th and 5th year of a max deal.
He's done a lot of banging down low in recent years and has had some shoulder issues.
[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Still will be short the 20 mill and not reach his max number. The only team capable of paying Melo max money is Dallas and NY.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it's going to be extremely close because Boozer is about 17 mill and Dunleavy is 3 mill. They can still get rid of Randolph's contract too. There's plenty of cap flexibility.
The thing that is still up in the air is if Reinsdorf is willing to pay to amnesty Boozer and then sign Melo. I think he will considering how the meeting went. We'll see.
[QUOTE=niko]It's already [B]leaking [/B]the offer was shitty and the bulls are hard pressing on other guys. You're team isn't willing to take the huge hit required to pay Melo and the knicks aren't bending over for you to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source for this?
[QUOTE=D-Rose]
Do you have a source for this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Kenny Anderson's twitter :oldlol: . Apparently his ramblings are a reliable source now
[QUOTE=-Lebron23-]Yeah, Kenny Anderson's twitter :oldlol: . Apparently his ramblings are a reliable source now[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I haven't seen anything about that.
Stein just tweeted:
[QUOTE]@ESPNSteinLine 52s
Pau Gasol Addendum No. 1: Sources say Bulls' rising interest in Pau IS indeed reflection of concern they can't convince Melo to leave NYK[/QUOTE]
I really think it's down to NYK/CHI for Melo. West teams are just not worth it. Gasol would be awesome on the Bulls. I bet they can convince LA to take back Boozer in a S&T by adding a draft pick with him. Reinsdorf would like to save the dough lol.
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Yeah, I haven't seen anything about that.
Stein just tweeted:
I really think it's down to NYK/CHI for Melo. West teams are just not worth it. Gasol would be awesome on the Bulls. I bet they can convince LA to take back Boozer in a S&T by adding a draft pick with him. Reinsdorf would like to save the dough lol.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Pau Gasol scenario makes more sense for everyone involved and the one I eventually see happening.
Safe to cross Dallas off the list me thinks
[QUOTE]@ESPNSteinLine 17m
Getting word now that the Mavericks' meeting with Carmelo Anthony in Dallas has ended after two-plus hours ... after six hours in Houston[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]@ESPNSteinLine 14m
Mavs, I'm told, determined to run out ground ball on Melo til the end but plan to move quickly onto Chandler Parsons & Luol Deng if snubbed[/QUOTE]
Honestly, it wouldn't really bother me if Melo doesn't come. I wouldn't mind bringing lance for like 10mil or cheaper.
Rose/ vet min
Lance/smell
Butler/McBuckets
Taj/Mirotic
Noah/Bairstow/Smith
That's a pretty athletic group with a lot more scoring options than last year and plus we don't have to sacrifice our picks :rockon:
bulls have no offense and melo has no d. Add it together and what do you get?
[QUOTE=CHi1PriDe]Honestly, it wouldn't really bother me if Melo doesn't come. I wouldn't mind bringing lance for like 10mil or cheaper.
Rose/ vet min
Lance/smell
Butler/McBuckets
Taj/Mirotic
Noah/Bairstow/Smith
That's a pretty athletic group with a lot more scoring options than last year and plus we don't have to sacrifice our picks :rockon:[/QUOTE]
If you don't mind a 2nd round exit, ya that's legit. But who is your insurance in case Rose gets injured again/ can't play all the games, surely you don't want a vet min guy there. Also there is no way that Jerry is gonna amnesty Boozer to get freakin Lance Stephenson.
[QUOTE=MellowYellow]If you don't mind a 2nd round exit, ya that's legit. But who is your insurance in case Rose gets injured again/ can't play all the games, surely you don't want a vet min guy there. Also there is no way that Jerry is gonna amnesty Boozer to get freakin Lance Stephenson.[/QUOTE]
We still have DJ/Kirk and fredette lol. Our go to scorer last year in the playoffs was DJ and Taj will only get better playing more consistent minutes. From what I've heard, boozers gone no matter what :applause:
Lance is led the league in triple doubles last year and non sense attitude won't fly with thibs :no:
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Seriously? 'Melo on the Bulls is the absolute best fit for him and the Bulls.
C: Noah
PF: Taj
SF: 'Melo
SG: Butler
PG: Rose
There's not one weakness in that lineup.