Where do you rank McHale among all time PFs?

[QUOTE=Nowitness]:facepalm:

A) Barkley faced Duncan 8 times (Duncan winning 75% of them). His stats are not that much better. But take into account Barkley also was a weak defender even in Philly and Phoenix then you sir have no argument.

I love how you place a 1x MVP over a 5x Champion, 2x MVP, 3x FMVP, best player on 5 finals teams and one of the greatest defensive players ever simply because he had stats.

Duncan stats aren't as good because he chose to do what it took to win (play defense, help his team mates, play off-ball...) whilst Barkley stayed out of shape.[/QUOTE]

[B]He Was Still Outplayed by a Fat, Old and Injury-prone Barkley in Rebounds, Points and FG% All While Playing 4-5 MPG More Than Barkley. Now What Would Prime, Healthy and With Ideal Weight Version Barkley Do To Duncan? Smash Him in the Post and For Rebounds! and Run Circles Around Him Off The Dribble or Through Spin Moves. End of Story [/B]

I added the footage to my post on Lucas.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcTg9sQzKs[/url]

BTW, it is truly fascinating. He had an amazing memory. Bobby Fischer (the chess champion), didn't believe he could do it, but was just stunned when he asked him the 14th name on page 83 of the New York phone book...and he did it. And he did it effortlessly, too. Phi Beta Kappa at Ohio St.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]He Was Still Outplayed by a Fat, Old and Injury-prone Barkley in Rebounds, Points, FG% All While Playing 4-5 MPG More Than Barkley. Now What Would Prime Version, Healthy and With Ideal Weight Version Barkley Do To Duncan? Smash Him in the Post and For Rebounds! and Run Circles Around Him Off The Dribble or Through Spin Moves. End of Story [/B][/QUOTE]

You make it sound like prime Duncan was 1999...

When Barkley cam average 25/17/5/1/5 in an NBA finals against two elite defenders whilst controlling the paint then we can talk.

You do realize for a career (not just 8 games) Barkley was outplayed by Malone averaging 5 less points, a worse FG, equal rebounds, less blocks (he beat him in steals by 0.1 and assists). Why isn't he ranked ahead?

[QUOTE=Nowitness]You make it sound like prime Duncan was 1999...

When Barkley cam average 25/17/5/1/5 in an NBA finals against two elite defenders whilst controlling the paint then we can talk.

You do realize for a career (not just 8 games) Barkley was outplayed by Malone averaging 5 less points, a worse FG, equal rebounds, less blocks (he beat him in steals by 0.1 and assists). Why isn't he ranked ahead?[/QUOTE]

[B]How About Barkley

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]How About Barkley

[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]McHale is tricky, because of the careers of other guys he can't possibly rank above 7 or so. But if I'm starting a team, I'd take him over most of the guys ranked ahead of him based on his peak and particular skill set.[/QUOTE]
Agreed with the first sentence.

The question depends in what kind of team you want or already have:
A system geared towards inside out offense and a defense dedicated to funneling the shooter towards inside of the paint, where your guy erases mistakes?
Duncan.

A system dedicated to screen and roll offense with a great ball control guard, and a physical, fouling defense?
Malone. Garnett.

A team full of athletes and shooters that runs and guns?
Barkley. Nowitzki.

McHale probably needs a hall of fame great to let him score one on one and defend the toughest front court player. Tho he can plug in any of the above teams, I suspect that the aforementioned options are better suited.
:kobe:

[QUOTE=Nowitness]Stats say otherwise.

And how did he do after those insane games? Did he win like Duncan managed to do?[/QUOTE]

[B]Stats Say What I Just Said, Cause I Have Those Stats Too.

Nope He Did Not Because He Played In a Tougher Era.

Duncan Would Have Zero Rings Had He Played Show Time Lakers, Big 3 Boston Celtics, Badboy Pistons, MJ-Pippen-Rodman-PHIL Jackson Bulls.

Duncan Has Played With the Best Coach in Modern Basketball and 2 HOFs FROM THE START, HIS PRIME AND YES, HIS WHOLE CAREER!!! That

Chuck almost always played on stacked team with great great players WTF
Round Mound is the biggest dickrider on ISH:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]The top 15 power forwards divide pretty well into categories I think.

Franchise players: Barkley, Malone, Duncan, Dirk, KG, Pettit

Near Franchise Players: Hayes, Webber, Haywood, Gasol

Elite complimentary Players: McHale, DeBusschere, Rodman, Maurice Lucas, Gus Johnson


The first group stands out, after that it comes down to what you value more, individual greatness or team greatness (as a major piece obviously)[/QUOTE]
Near franchise players should be able to win playoff games without the aid of a top 10 alltime great

real talk

franchise players: Dirk, Duncan, Barkley, Malone

second tier: KG; Webber, Mchale, Pettit, hayes etc

[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]McHale is tricky, because of the careers of other guys he can't possibly rank above 7 or so. But if I'm starting a team, I'd take him over most of the guys ranked ahead of him based on his peak and particular skill set.[/QUOTE]

well, not many players can be efficient even when given the opportunity. I'll give you that.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Chuck almost always played on stacked team with great great players WTF
Round Mound is the biggest dickrider on ISH:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

He does have his barkley goggles on a bit but is a good poster just very passionate I guess, anyway my 5 looks like this

Timmy
Malone
Barkley
Dirk
Kg

Bob Pettit is the most disrespected player (let alone PF) of all time. He won a title in the Russell era. Something only Wilt Chamberlain has done. Not even Elgin Oscar or West did that. 2 MVPs and a championship get him right above the four on this topic and only behind Duncan.

More titles than Barkley and Malone
More MVPs than Barkley KG and Dirk

1.Duncan
2.Dirk
3.Pettit
4.KG
5.McHale
6.Malone
7.Barkley

[QUOTE=Round Mound]
Duncan Has Played With the Best Coach in Modern Basketball and 2 HOFs FROM THE START, HIS PRIME AND YES, HIS WHOLE CAREER!!! That