1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Kobe/LeBron
10. LeBron/Kobe
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1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Kobe/LeBron
10. LeBron/Kobe
[QUOTE=GODbe]1. GOATbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Russell
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kevin Durant[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[B]1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe/LeBron
Top5 peaks/primes: Shaq, Kareem, Jordan, Wilt and Bird.
[/B]
1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Jabbar
4. Russell
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. LeBron
Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Bird
Magic
Duncan
Hakeem/LeBron
Why the hell do we even bicker about on these boards? 98% of the people have Jordan as their no.1 or 2.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Bird
Magic
Duncan
Hakeem
Why the hell do we even bicker about on these boards? 98% of the people have Jordan as their no.1 or 2.[/QUOTE]
Can I ask why you have Shaq and Kobe above Bird/Magic but not Duncan? I find that particular ranking a little odd, so I'm just interested.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Can I ask why you have Shaq and Kobe above Bird/Magic but not Duncan? I find that particular ranking a little odd, so I'm just interested.[/QUOTE]
I have to admit my rankings from 4-10 can shuffle and its extremely, extremely close.
The main differentiator is I think Shaq at his absolute peak may be the most dominant big man ever (yes even above Wilt and Russell head-to-head). I'm just talking pure peak.
So I kinda give him a bounce there, he's also one of only three men in the top 10 to have led a team to a threepeat (Russell and Jordan being the other 2).
I'd really like to put Bird higher, but I think the injuries really hurt his longevity. I like Bird a lot though.
Magic is great, but I think he also had the most stacked team of the top players maybe with the exception of Russell (relative to the rest of the 60s).
Duncan is great, but I think he's kind of transformed himself into more of a role player the last few years. If he was the defacto no.1 on all 5 Spurs titles, I'd have him much higher.
Kobe has 5 championships, 2 as the team leader, and really impressive longevity, which Bird/Magic didn't have the benefit of.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
[B]5. Duncan[/B]
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Kobe/LeBron
10. LeBron/Kobe[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol :lol
[QUOTE=Angel Face]1. Jordan
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Russell
4. Johnson
5. Bird
6. Chamberlain
7. O'neal
8. Bryant
9. Duncan
10. Olajuwon[/QUOTE]
I'd have Wilt leapfrog Bird/Magic but other than that I'm cool with this list altho Lebron will probably work his way up to like 5 or 6 once he retires.
1. Jeffrey
2. Ferdinand
3. William
4. Norman
5. Earvin
6. Joe
7. Theodore
8. Rashaun
9. Bean
10. Abdul
1. Wilt
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. LeBron
10. Kobe/Hakeem
What the hell...
Players 1-8, in no order:
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Oscar
Magic
Bird
Jordan
Shaq
For players 9 and 10, choose two from the following:
Kobe
Duncan
Hakeem
Lebron
KG
Some other players in consideration (I don't know enough about them) for my second tier...
Baylor, Pettit, Barry, Mikan, Cousy, Doc, Hondo
Third tier, well beyond the top 10, starts with players like Karl, Moses, Barkley...
Abdul-Jabbar
Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Russell
Kobe
Who, based on achievements and accolades, deserves a G.O.A.T. ranking:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. LeBron James
Who I believe were actually the best basketball players (whether they have the accolades or not):
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. LeBron James
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Magic Johnson
10. Kevin Garnett
Not all circumstances are created equal.
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Shaq
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Magic
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem
[QUOTE=Prometheus]Who, based on achievements and accolades, deserves a G.O.A.T. ranking:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. LeBron James
Who I believe were actually the best basketball players (whether they have the accolades or not):
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. LeBron James
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Magic Johnson
10. Kevin Garnett
Not all circumstances are created equal.[/QUOTE]
Whilst I get KG had shitty help, what argument does he actually have over Duncan as a player? Here are their career, prime and peak stats:
Career:
Duncan: 21/12/3/1/3/.548 TS%
Garnett: 18/11/3/1/1/.525 TS%
Prime:
Duncan (99-07): 24/13/4/1/3/.560 TS%
Garnett (99-08): 22/13/5/1/2/.523 TS%
Peak:
Duncan (02-03): 26/15/5/1/4/.572 TS%
Garnett (03-04): 25/15/5/1/2/.520 TS%
Duncan was a far more efficient scorer because he dominated the low post; he didn't settle for outside jumpers, which was KG's main problem. He was also the better post defender and rim protector, which is by far the most important defense come Playoff time. Duncan has had many notable series where he shut his man down; I honestly can't think of a single for one for prime KG. In fact, Dirk had the series of his life against him in 02.
Not all things are created equal, but Duncan has the better stats [B]and[/B] accolades. We're not comparing early 2000s T-Mac and Kobe here, where the former arguably had better production, just not the teams. KG almost always had a drop-off come Playoff time, and Duncan almost always stepped up. Garnett might be the most versatile big ever, but history has shown that the players who dominate in a few areas are almost always more likely to succeed than those that are good at everything.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]
Not all things are created equal, but Duncan has the better stats [B]and[/B] accolades. We're not comparing early 2000s T-Mac and Kobe here, where the former arguably had better production, just not the teams. KG almost always had a drop-off come Playoff time, and Duncan almost always stepped up. [B]Garnett might be the most versatile big ever, but history has shown that the players who dominate in a few areas are almost always more likely to succeed than those that are good at everything.[/B][/QUOTE]
That may be part of his reasoning. I'm not sure, as I'm not him, but I view Duncan and KG as similarly talented players. Duncan is better in the low post, KG in the high. Duncan the better shot blocker/rim protector, KG is arguably the greatest PnR defender of all time. Different strengths, and a (possibly) more rounded game, is likely the crux of his argument.
Barry Bonds
Pele
Uhhhh
Tom Brady
Hole Camels
I give up
1. Abdul-Jabbar
2. Jordan
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Magic
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Robertson
1- KAJ
2- Jordan
3- Russell
4- Magic
5- Wilt
6- Shaq
7- Duncan
8- Kobe
9- Oscar
10- Hakeem
1.) MJ
2.) Kareem
3.) Russell
4.) Magic
5.) Bird
6.) Duncan
7.) Wilt
8.) Shaq
9.) Kobe
10.) LeBron
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James[/QUOTE]
This is identical to my list. :rockon:
1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem
1.Jordan
2. Magic
3. Wilt
4. Lebron
5. Kareem
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. Oscar
#1 Jordan
#2 Duncan
#3 Shaq
#4 LeBron
#5 Hakeem
#6 Kobe
#8 Bird
#9 Magic
#10 KAJ
1.Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Russell
1.Kwame Brown - most underrated player
2.James Harden - defensive player of every year hes played
3.Dwight Howard - Biggest killer instinct ive seen in any player
4.Kendrick Perkins - Best Offensive Player of our generation
5.Derrick Rose - tough as nails, will die for the game
6.Javal McGee - B ball IQ off the chain!!
7.Nick Young - winning always comes first. looking good comes last
8.Mugssy Bogues - most physically gifted PG
9.De Andre Jordan - Sniper Like FG%
10.JR Smith - Mature style, great shot selection
[QUOTE=Lebron23]1.Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Russell[/QUOTE]
Lol duncan after lebron. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Beastmode88]Lol duncan after lebron. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Swap their career path and Lebron would have at least 6 rings by now under coach pop and playing with Parker and Manu.
Timm Duncan literally does nothing better than Lebron James.
[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]Swap their career path and Lebron would have at least 6 rings by now under coach pop and playing with Parker and Manu.
Timm Duncan literally does nothing better than Lebron James.[/QUOTE]
Dude, just stop. I know you're in love with LeBron, but show a little objectivity.
LeBron wins [B]nothing[/B] in 98, 00, 01, 02, or 03. So now he has to win in 99, 03, 04, 05, 06 and 07 to have "at least 6 rings". Seems pretty unlikely.
Also, Duncan is a [B]far[/B] better defender. If you think an athletic wing bring more to the table defensively than a seven footer, you really have lost it. Duncan plays more 50 win teams in two seasons than LeBron has his whole career.
[QUOTE=LBJHEAT]1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Wilt
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Hakeem
7. Magic
8. Kobe
9. Bird
10. LeBron
(11. Russell)
Bird and Magic are NOT top five. Both had short careers and weren't impact players on defense.
Bill Russell is overrated. Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem are much better than him offensively and some of them aren't far away defensively. Russell was a liability on offense at times. Russell may have more championships, but there's no way Russell would win in their situations.[/QUOTE]
Says you.
I've been watching this game a long time and Bird and Magic are two of the biggest overall "impact" players I've seen because of their mastery of team ball and the game as a whole. They absolutely have a place in the top 5.
Even given Magic's shortcomings on defense, his overall impact and leadership is still undeniable. And you're wrong about Bird not having an impact on defense - he always seemed to be in the right place at the right time, and his defensive play was certainly good enough to complement the completeness of the rest of his game.
Without question, I'll take the two players who transformed the game within one glorious decade over guys with bigger career numbers who entered the game too young and overstayed their expiration dates.
1.MJ
2.Duncan
3.KAJ
4.Shaq
5.Bird
6.Russell
7.Kobe
8.Wilt
9.Lebron
10.Hakeem/Magic
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Big#50]1.MJ
2.Duncan
3.KAJ
4.Shaq
5.Bird
6.Russell
7.Kobe
8.Wilt
9.Lebron
10.Hakeem/Magic[/QUOTE]
You got tha nerve to talk shit about my list:roll:
[QUOTE=Lebron23]1.Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
[B]4. Lebron[/B]
5. Duncan
6. Kobe
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Russell[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]Swap their career path and Lebron would have at least 6 rings by now under coach pop and playing with Parker and Manu.
Timm Duncan literally does nothing better than Lebron James.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
[QUOTE=Real14]You got tha nerve to talk shit about my list:roll:[/QUOTE]
I did?
[QUOTE=Big#50]I did?[/QUOTE]
yea
1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Lebron
1. kareem Abdul Jabbar
2. Bill Russell
3. Michael Jordan
4. Wilt Chambelain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Shaquille Oneal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Oscar Robertson
(11. Lebron James 12. Tim Duncan 13. Scottie Pippen 14. Karl Malone 15. John Stockton)