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[QUOTE=Godzuki]probably because Assad controls Syria....
why does everyone keep trying to find fault in the US when we're THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT HELPS MF'ERS these days :facepalm[/QUOTE]
To be fair, America pretty much caused this uprising in Iraq..
[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]To be fair, America pretty much caused this uprising in Iraq..[/QUOTE]
well the picture was still pretty ugly before we stepped in too, so take that into account...same in Syria where it wasn't really us more than the EU i think where we helped.
but its rather ridiculous to me we're the main ones trying to broker peace between Israel/Palestine...and yet we're the "warmongers only out for ourselves taking everyones resources(which nobody can prove we have at all lol but so many stupid mf'ers keep saying this shit).....
we're the ones everyone is looking to to stop ISIS....WTF is everyone else when these atrocities are happening?
all 1/2 the people here do is try to find fault with us in everything, and never own up to good we try to do, which is most of the time, too bad things don't always work out in hindsight. Things rarely go as perfectly as someone intends in life in general but there are always critics at every corner.
[QUOTE=PejaNowitzki]I did not like the thought of military action in Iraq, I thought that the U.S. should have stayed out completely but after seeing what ISIS has been doing, the utterly unspeakable atrocities they've been committing, beheading little kids, mass murder and torture, pure genocide against anyone that isn't an ass backwards 7th century fundamentalist nutjob, things that would make a Nazi blush makes me say **** these people.
If Obama wants to bomb them into oblivion, he's got my support.[/QUOTE]
But the US can't bomb ISIS effectively w/o killing a lot of innocents with them.
[QUOTE=Godzuki]well the picture was still pretty ugly before we stepped in too, so take that into account...same in Syria where it wasn't really us more than the EU i think where we helped.
but its rather ridiculous to me we're the main ones trying to broker peace between Israel/Palestine...and yet we're the "[B]warmongers only out for ourselves taking everyones resources[/B](which nobody can prove we have at all lol but so many stupid mf'ers keep saying this shit).....
we're the ones everyone is looking to to stop ISIS....WTF is everyone else when these atrocities are happening?
all 1/2 the people here do is try to find fault with us in everything, and never own up to good we try to do, which is most of the time, too bad things don't always work out in hindsight. Things rarely go as perfectly as someone intends in life in general but there are always critics at every corner.[/QUOTE]
Any country that sells weapons get's accused of being a war monger. The U.S happens to be very good at making weapons and other countries want to buy those weapons. It's just business.
Part of the reason why people are looking at the U.S to neutralize ISIS is because 11 years ago that is the country the U.S decided to invade. When you take down a government and introduce a new one you have to expect responsibility if things are back firing which is what's happening.
The U.S will break the backbone of ISIS. I imagine the Kurds, Iraqi Army and the Shiites will clear out the rest.
[QUOTE=step_back]Any country that sells weapons get's accused of being a war monger. The U.S happens to be very good at making weapons and other countries want to buy those weapons. It's just business.
Part of the reason why people are looking at the U.S to neutralize ISIS is because 11 years ago that is the country the U.S decided to invade. When you take down a government and introduce a new one you have to expect responsibility if things are back firing which is what's happening.
The U.S will break the backbone of ISIS. I imagine the Kurds, Iraqi Army and the Shiites will clear out the rest.[/QUOTE]
nah it doesn't matter what it is...whether we have any fault in the situation or not....the world looks to the U.S. as their savior/protector especially when atrocities occur. It can be the Boko Haram killings in Nigeria where the people will be asking for America to step in and help...it can be Iraq when Sadaam and his sons were running rampant and they were asking for the US's help....it can be Israel/Palestine which both sides say only the U.S. is able to broker peace....its every entire bad situation in the world where people look to the U.S. around the world to help them.
We're obviously the richest country in the world by a large margin, with the most powerful military by a large margin, and we tend to help natural disasters/catastrophes around the world the most of any country, which i think is the main reason we're seen as the worlds helper/savior. very little of that is based on our previous involvements or faults in things....
while all of the internet nerds want to constantly demonize us.
[QUOTE=Godzuki]nah it doesn't matter what it is...whether we have any fault in the situation or not....the world looks to the U.S. as their savior/protector especially when atrocities occur. It can be the Boko Haram killings in Nigeria where the people will be asking for America to step in and help...it can be Iraq when Sadaam and his sons were running rampant and they were asking for the US's help....it can be Israel/Palestine which both sides say only the U.S. is able to broker peace....its every entire bad situation in the world where people look to the U.S. around the world to help them.
We're obviously the richest country in the world by a large margin, with the most powerful military by a large margin, and we tend to help natural disasters/catastrophes around the world the most of any country, which i think is the main reason we're seen as the worlds helper/savior. very little of that is based on our previous involvements or faults in things....
while all of the internet nerds want to constantly demonize us.[/QUOTE]
None of that changes what I said. You can't go into a country and remove the government, put in a new one and when things start to go bad shortly after you say. "The World expects us to sort out other people's problems" They're your problems too.
I'm not saying the U.S doesn't help out where it can with aid etc ( For the record you're not the only country that does it) but none of that is even relevant. ISIS is a product of the war. Whether you like it or not the U.S has to act. Iraq is still very much in an after care relationship with the U.S.
[QUOTE=step_back]None of that changes what I said. You can't go into a country and remove the government, put in a new one and when things start to go bad shortly after you say. "The World expects us to sort out other people's problems" They're your problems too.
I'm not saying the U.S doesn't help out where it can with aid etc ( For the record you're not the only country that does it) but none of that is even relevant. ISIS is a product of the war. Whether you like it or not the U.S has to act. Iraq is still very much in an after care relationship with the U.S.[/QUOTE]
no we're not the only country, we just happen to give/help the most of any country...
but you can't argue people are asking US for help all around the world, even in situations we never had any involvement in. You can't keep sticking on one point in one or two situations then keep pretending you're right that we are only expected to get involved because we started messes there. That is just not true at all. We're involved in so much around the world, and are looked to get involved, because we're seen today as a leader of the world powers. I mean we're involved with NKorea protecting the South, we're involved with the azn nations and their island disputes trying to maintain peace, we're always trying to keep some type of peace throughout so many regions, and we're generally front and center in doing so.
I emphasize the Iraqi people were asking for our help before we ever went in...against Sadaam.
but again people all around the world ask/expect us to help them when there are atrocities occurring.
I'm not against helping against ISIS btw, so i'm not arguing that, my argument is about every internet conspiracy theorist and 1/2 the nerds here always talking shit about us that has zero validity or truth behind it. We're always the bad guys only out for ourselves in their stupid minds....and yet current events disproves that in sooo many situations.
USA practically put Saddam Hussein in power and armed him..
[QUOTE=Godzuki]no we're not the only country, we just happen to give/help the most of any country...
[B]but you can't argue people are asking US for help all around the world, even in situations we never had any involvement in. [/B] You can't keep sticking on one point in one or two situations then keep pretending you're right that we are only expected to get involved because we started messes there. That is just not true at all. We're involved in so much around the world, and are looked to get involved, because we're seen today as a leader of the world powers. I mean we're involved with NKorea protecting the South, we're involved with the azn nations and their island disputes trying to maintain peace, we're always trying to keep some type of peace throughout so many regions, and we're generally front and center in doing so.
I emphasize the Iraqi people were asking for our help before we ever went in...against Sadaam.
but again people all around the world ask/expect us to help them when there are atrocities occurring.
I'm not against helping against ISIS btw, so i'm not arguing that, my argument is about every internet conspiracy theorist and 1/2 the nerds here always talking shit about us that has zero validity or truth behind it. We're always the bad guys only out for ourselves in their stupid minds....and yet current events disproves that in sooo many situations.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing that anyway.
All developed countries get asked for help. You happen to be the richest. That's just the pecking order. The EU sends huge amounts of money to other countries too and plenty of countries provide aid but that's something entirely different to asking for help in the form of Military action. Most countries would rather not get involved.
The reason why I keep coming back to why the U.S needs to help Iraq is because that's exactly what the thread is about. I'm staying relevant to the thread.
[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]USA practically put Saddam Hussein in power and armed him..[/QUOTE]
i love the very obscure generalizations of what we did in hindsight.
give us the FULL story...in terms of the situation back then, what we intended to happen in our actions back then and why we did it, and how the outcome differed in what our intentions were. there is never a full and accurate detail of things with most of you who always blame us for everything, ever....
the other thing is we're all people who were alive in the last 80~ years or so, so blaming us for stuff past generations did, during entirely different times like cold war where the big thing was communism vs democracy, Russia vs US in nuclear WW3...etc. were VERY different times as well with reasons for subterfuge.
thats why people who can't argue in current events are rather clueless IMO. since that i would call OUR responsibility, at least we had say/vote/etc...you know our generation with our current beliefs according to the world today(unlike any time in the past, no matter how retarded the people who always pretend history repeats itself use that are...)
It's about damn time.
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[QUOTE=russwest0]more military spending. yay! :rockon:[/QUOTE]
Why do you hate America? Why do you hate freedom? Those brave soldiers are fighting for all Americans to live well.
[QUOTE=step_back]I hope the Americans kill the British people that left England to go and fight for ISIS. Those treacherous pigs deserve it.[/QUOTE]
Those people aren't british.
[QUOTE=9512]Why do you hate America? Why do you hate freedom? Those brave soldiers are fighting for all Americans to live well.[/QUOTE]
Making healthcare affordable is a good start.
[B]U.S. Warplanes Attack Militants in Iraq[/B][QUOTE]American warplanes struck Sunni militant positions in northern Iraq on Friday, the Pentagon and Kurdish officials said, confirming the first significant American military operation in the country since United States forces withdrew in 2011.
Two F-18 fighters dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery target near Erbil, according to a statement by Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary. Militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria were using the artillery to shell Kurdish forces defending Erbil,
[QUOTE=No.45]"You're startling me with the severity of what you're describing," the CNN host said. "You said they are --- beheading children?"
[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/leader-isis-systematically-beheading-children-christian-genocide[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdIEm1s6yhY[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/07/world/meast/stopping-isis/index.html[/url]
pure evil.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying this guy is lying but we really need to make sure claims like this are true before we get dragged into more shit.
do any of you remember the Nayirah debacle?
[QUOTE]
The Nayirah testimony was the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and the American president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]
In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.
Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors...fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29"]link[/URL]
why is it not the french or the germans doing this shit......they have huge armies........and i do belive the germans know a thing or 2 about fighting in wars ......
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Those people aren't british.[/QUOTE]
their passports say they are...................and whole europe is fukked, crawling with muslims.................very dangerous to be a jew in europe, 1940 all over
[QUOTE=tomSR.]their passports say they are...................and whole europe is fukked, crawling with muslims.................very dangerous to be a jew in europe, 1940 all over[/QUOTE]
1940?
[QUOTE=tomSR.]why is it not the french or the germans doing this shit......they have huge armies........and i do belive the germans know a thing or 2 about fighting in wars ......[/QUOTE]
Because we started this shit. We gave the Iraqi's weapons in the 90's and then are surprised when they start using them for purposes other than what the US government wanted them to do. Then Bush decided to look for "weapons of mass destruction" and Osama bin Laden, both of which he never found, and now Obama's administration, military soldiers, and the civilians of the USA are paying for it.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]It's about damn time.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Because we started this shit. [B]We gave the Iraqi's weapons in the 90's[/B] and then are surprised when they start using them for purposes other than what the US government wanted them to do. Then Bush decided to look for "weapons of mass destruction" and Osama bin Laden, both of which he never found, and now Obama's administration, military soldiers, and the civilians of the USA are paying for it.[/QUOTE]
If your trying to fashion some grand blowback theory at least get your damn timeline straight.
This isn't ancient history.
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]We gave the Iraqi's weapons in the 90's and then are surprised when they start using them for purposes other than what the US government wanted them to do.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Airstrike Video hopefully more on these savages.
[URL="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f8_1407563305"]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f8_1407563305[/URL]
ITT: Idiot americans try to make war look cool or justifiable
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]ITT: Idiot americans try to make war look cool or justifiable[/QUOTE]
Quit posting on an American board then.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Quit posting on an American board then.[/QUOTE]
So people outside of America should have to kiss your ass and agree with everything you say otherwise their not welcome on ISH.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=step_back]So people outside of America should have to kiss your ass and agree with everything you say otherwise their not welcome on ISH.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
No, you idiot. If he doesn't like our comments, then he can take his sorry ass elsewhere. If you want to talk about current events, but can allow yourself to not get butthurt, then post away. Some of you foreigners have a stick so far up your ass it must be tickling the back of your throats.
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Because we started this shit. We gave the Iraqi's weapons in the 90's and then are surprised when they start using them for purposes other than what the US government wanted them to do. Then Bush decided to look for "weapons of mass destruction" and Osama bin Laden, both of which he never found, and now Obama's administration, military soldiers, and the civilians of the USA are paying for it.[/QUOTE]
wtf does that have to do with this?
we did arm the Syrian rebels, but Obama purposely didn't arm them with anything strong when they were Syrian rebels, just light weapons. they were also apparently more moderate than they are now...altho that was when Mccain was so supportive of us backing them. that guy is the biggest idiot when it comes to overreacting to everything...Republicans in general always jump the gun on every fukking thing.
ISIS keeps taking over shit to have control over arms stockpiles and other stuff, who knows everything they have now. Thats why i find it really dumb how long we've waited to get involved, even if we're trying to force the Iraqi government to be more inclusive of Sunni's.
All i know is no other major country is doing shit but us. they rarely do shit about atrocities around the world everyone cries about and everyone looks to us. meanwhile all the fgts here talk shit like we're so awful, still talking shit like the typical foreign stupid mf'ers they are, educated from world of mouth and muslim bias history books....completely fukking clueless. and filled with the dumbest conspiracy theories in their heads where they can't even support what we take which is pretty important if you have a conspiracy dumbfukks....i swear there aren't dumber people on the internet than the conspiracy foreigners :facepalm
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]No, you idiot. If he doesn't like our comments, then he can take his sorry ass elsewhere. If you want to talk about current events, but can allow yourself to not get butthurt, then post away. Some of you foreigners have a stick so far up your ass it must be tickling the back of your throats.[/QUOTE]
You don't like something someone said so you have a little bitch fit about it and ask him to go elsewhere. You have the audacity to accuse someone of else of being butthurt. :facepalm
You Americans talk shit about others all the time on here but when it's directed at you people should be polite.
Grow a pair and man up.:coleman:
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]To be fair, that guy's post was nothing more than typical "I'm European and thus am inherently more intelligent than you" eurofag nonsense. Didn't even try to make a point; just wanted to take a shot.[/QUOTE]
In other words successful troll was successful.
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]ITT: Idiot americans try to make war look cool or justifiable[/QUOTE]
America is bombing ISIS because they have 40,000 non Muslims trapped on a mountain and are starving them to death.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/09/newday-mcpike-obama-america-is-helping-iraqis.cnn.html[/url]
I can get now what Obama is fighting, which is the non involvement movement of America towards world affairs. He has to justify his actions and make a case to make us okay with it, and now its all sort of coming together for why we've stayed out of it for so long.
He's right tho, nobody else is helping...nobody else gives a shit. Say we're at fault to get involved all you want but the atrocities ISIS are committing are as bad as anything in the worlds history.
You'd think some other big country would jump in but no, its always US...the U.S....and yet every stuipd fukkin foreigner wants to paint us as the devil warmongers....
they force a christian to convert to Islam and then behead him, they are beheading kids....they are killing EVERYONE who isn't muslim....and you MF'ers think we're the bad guys because we're the ONLY major power standing up to these extremists?
stupid mf'ers :facepalm
[QUOTE=Godzuki][url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/09/newday-mcpike-obama-america-is-helping-iraqis.cnn.html[/url]
I can get now what Obama is fighting, which is the non involvement movement of America towards world affairs. He has to justify his actions and make a case to make us okay with it, and now its all sort of coming together for why we've stayed out of it for so long.
He's right tho, nobody else is helping...nobody else gives a shit. Say we're at fault to get involved all you want but the atrocities ISIS are committing are as bad as anything in the worlds history.
You'd think some other big country would jump in but no, its always US...the U.S....and yet every stuipd fukkin foreigner wants to paint us as the devil warmongers....
they force a christian to convert to Islam and then behead him, they are beheading kids....they are killing EVERYONE who isn't muslim....and you MF'ers think we're the bad guys because we're the ONLY major power standing up to these extremists?
stupid mf'ers :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I hope this is the start of a downfall for ISIS. Attacking peaceful people because they don't want to convert to you're wicked and evil religion. US should bomb the shit out of them including Mosul and Arm the Kurds with much better weapons.
[QUOTE]WASHINGTON
[url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/10/pkg-watson-iraq-yazidis-at-mt-shingal.cnn.html[/url]
could be any of us, fortunately we were born lucky...
[url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/09/newday-us-warplanes-target-isis-fighters.cnn.html[/url]
like shooting fish in a barrel. Damn we're so evil being the only major power helping..only out for ourselves!!
giving weapons to nearby enemy forces doesnt seem to work. isil will get their hands on it. they definilitely need to be out. I cant imagine any peace treaty or negotiations.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]America is bombing ISIS because they have 40,000 non Muslims trapped on a mountain and are starving them to death.[/QUOTE]
people die everyday, that is not USA's responsibility.
Why couldn't they help out with with revolution in Argentina and other famine in other south american countries, but instead just "help" countries, that they can later take something from.
The war machine must stop in order for USA becoming the dream again, instead of a joke that it became in the last 10 years.
Literally everybody laughs at Americans now, and it became Russia's and China's bitch
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]people die everyday, that is not USA's responsibility.
Why couldn't they help out with with revolution in Argentina and other famine in other south american countries, but instead just "help" countries, that they can later take something from.
The war machine must stop in order for USA becoming the dream again, instead of a joke that it became in the last 10 years.
Literally everybody laughs at Americans now, and it became Russia's and China's bitch[/QUOTE]
only dumb foreigners keep trying to hate on us but nobody can really just laff at us considering we are the baddest boy on the block. i mean they can but its more like a helpless laff, disingenuous to our real power/influence of the world.
granted, we have our hands tied a lot these days but everyone still recognizes we are by far and away the strongest power in the world today if they know anything of current events/reality :pimp: