I can't forgive Lebron for 2011, 2013, and 2014

We were robbed of epic Wade vs. Lebron and Lebron vs. Bosh in the playoffs. And then after Miami got spanked by the Spurs, he wanted to recruit Carmelo Anthony to create Team USA Lite...

And then, he left Wade and Bosh (who are like 33 and 31 respectively) for two more superstar teammates. I'm sorry, but I cannot even put Lebron over Hakeem and Dirk. When the going gets tough, he leaves.

Duncan, Dirk, Ewing, Hakeem, Kobe, Malone, and Jordan all played for one team (when it mattered) and went through rebuilding several times. Lebron wants to buy his titles. Lebron = LeJourneyMan

He's cost his teams two, almost three, titles. The best player in the world being regulated to third fiddle in the 2011, where he was outscored by both Wade and Bosh... sorry, can't do it. It's been given a pass from 2003-2010, one final's pass... and his stans are calling for yet another final's pass?

I'm being objective here. I'm going to give Durant the same treatment. It's been like 7 sevens already, and he still has no titles. He's got Westbrook, and this whole nice guy act is starting to go stale.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]We were robbed of epic Wade vs. Lebron and Lebron vs. Bosh in the playoffs. And then after Miami got spanked by the Spurs, he wanted to recruit Carmelo Anthony to create Team USA Lite...

And then, he left Wade and Bosh (who are like 33 and 31 respectively) for two more superstar teammates. I'm sorry, but I cannot even put Lebron over Hakeem and Dirk. When the going gets tough, he leaves.

Duncan, Dirk, Ewing, Hakeem, Kobe, Malone, and Jordan all played for one team (when it mattered) and went through rebuilding several times. Lebron wants to buy his titles. Lebron = LeJourneyMan

He's cost his teams two, almost three, titles. The best player in the world being regulated to third fiddle in the 2011, where he was outscored by both Wade and Bosh... sorry, can't do it. It's been given a pass from 2003-2010, one final's pass... and his stans are calling for yet another final's pass?

I'm being objective here. I'm going to give Durant the same treatment. It's been like 7 sevens already, and he still has no titles. He's got Westbrook, and this whole nice guy act is starting to go stale.[/QUOTE]
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Whose alt is this dude?

[QUOTE=onhcetum]We were robbed of epic Wade vs. Lebron and Lebron vs. Bosh in the playoffs. And then after Miami got spanked by the Spurs, he wanted to recruit Carmelo Anthony to create Team USA Lite...

And then, he left Wade and Bosh (who are like 33 and 31 respectively) for two more superstar teammates. I'm sorry, but I cannot even put Lebron over Hakeem and Dirk. When the going gets tough, he leaves.

Duncan, Dirk, Ewing, Hakeem, Kobe, Malone, and Jordan all played for one team (when it mattered) and went through rebuilding several times. Lebron wants to buy his titles. Lebron = LeJourneyMan

He's cost his teams two, almost three, titles. The best player in the world being regulated to third fiddle in the 2011, where he was outscored by both Wade and Bosh... sorry, can't do it. It's been given a pass from 2003-2010, one final's pass... and his stans are calling for yet another final's pass?

I'm being objective here. I'm going to give Durant the same treatment. It's been like 7 sevens already, and he still has no titles. He's got Westbrook, and this whole nice guy act is starting to go stale.[/QUOTE]

The more players you associate the term 'superstar' with, the more dilute the term becomes. If 'Kyrie' is a superstar, at least 15-20 other players in the league are, which means there's not much value to you throwing the label around. Restrict superstar to a reasonable definition (i.e. top 5 player) and LeBron has only played with 'one' superstar in his career - Wade circa 2011.

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]

I think every one of your posts has been this idiotic point.

2014 LeBron Finals - .679 TS%

If he would have shot 37 more times and not made a single basket he would have had a higher FG% than Kobe's career pinnacle- the 2010 Finals.

That you would WANT that is so far beyond idiotic it strains credulity. Yet such is the way of the Kobe-stan.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]The more players you associate the term 'superstar' with, the more dilute the term becomes. If 'Kyrie' is a superstar, at least 15-20 other players in the league are, which means there's not much value to you throwing the label around. Restrict superstar to a reasonable definition (i.e. top 5 player) and LeBron has only played with 'one' superstar in his career - Wade circa 2011.[/QUOTE]

Superstar = all-star, endorsements, commercials, shoe deals, red carpet events... BIG TIME players... one notch above regular old "all-stars"

And stop being fooled by Bosh and Wade's drop in ppg... they went from being the #1 option to sharing touches between the three. Bosh had like 38 in a game against the Bulls in the playoffs and Wade put up almost 27 ppg in 2011 in the finals... what other teammates (of superstar players) are compatible of such a performance?

the superstars are the face of the league. Josh Smith is an all-star, Blake Griffin is a superstar. Jrue Holiday is an all-star, CP3 is a superstar. Al Hortford is an all-star, Tim Duncan is a superstar. Jordan is a superstar, Mitch Richmond is an all-star.

I can't forgive OP for being a fakkit.

LOL at the way he remembers game 6. Most of us remember it as the headband game where Lebron had super-powers for the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.

Yet the fakkit azz OP conveniently forgot all of that and deleted it from his memory because he's probably a Durant stan or something. :facepalm

All i can say is that if you "cant forgive Lebron" (wtf is that supposed to mean anyways? you are a Lebron fan or something that cant forgive him because he didnt win a championship every year or perform like a GOAT every single game????).... then in that case you might not forgive any player in NBA history, because unfortunately nobody was perfect....

Stop trolling....

Great job, OP!:applause: And let's not forget the disgusting amount of ref help he got in 2012. Plus he shot less than 20% from outside the paint in the finals that year. If it wasn't for his dead-eye shooters who were making 5-6 3's at a time, he would have lost to a baby-Durant.

This is so ridiculous :facepalm

Anyway, as if this wasn't the only thing garbage in the OP, he sat out the last 6.30 minutes of the 4th, after having played the entire previous 41 minutes........ After 1-2 mintues you could see there was no point in coming back in.

At the same time, if he would have continued scoring in those meaningless 4th quarters, which he DIDN'T, and he could have from game's 3-5, ALL OF YOU would accuse him of stat-padding... You can't stat-pad nor give up with the game out of reach.

[QUOTE=3ball]In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

A bigger load from Lebron wasn't just feasible, it was necessary.. The Heat had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent (lowest ppg.. biggest differential to Spurs in Ortg) and frequently couldn't answer after the Spurs converted - this contributed to the Spurs momentum as much as the Heat's bad defense did.. *A bad offense makes the opponent's offense better, just like a bad defense does.

Despite it being both feasible and necessary, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

Since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?...

Only Lebron.. and only in this day and age where it makes all the monetary sense in the world to keep comparing this guy to the real goat, whose physical and skill superiority is now [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10429100&postcount=17][u]more clear than ever[/u][/url].. It makes sense why Lebron would need to jump ship every few years to keep up the pace.[/QUOTE]


This clown still stealing posts from other boards lmfao

[QUOTE=pegasus]Great job, OP!:applause: And let's not forget the disgusting amount of ref help he got in 2012. Plus he shot less than 20% from outside the paint in the finals that year. If it wasn't for his dead-eye shooters who were making 5-6 3's at a time, he would have lost to a baby-Durant.[/QUOTE]

I love how the haters just make shit up, then ignore the facts when posted. :rolleyes: Op was already proven wrong about most of his shit.

LeBron cares deeply, he does, I hope you two reconcile.

he needs your love.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]Superstar = all-star, endorsements, commercials, shoe deals, red carpet events... BIG TIME players... one notch above regular old "all-stars"

And stop being fooled by Bosh and Wade's drop in ppg... they went from being the #1 option to sharing touches between the three. Bosh had like 38 in a game against the Bulls in the playoffs and Wade put up almost 27 ppg in 2011 in the finals... what other teammates (of superstar players) are compatible of such a performance?

the superstars are the face of the league. Josh Smith is an all-star, Blake Griffin is a superstar. Jrue Holiday is an all-star, CP3 is a superstar. Al Hortford is an all-star, Tim Duncan is a superstar. Jordan is a superstar, Mitch Richmond is an all-star.[/QUOTE]

Bosh, Kyrie and Love are not superstars. Endorsements, commercials and shoe deals do not affect on-court production (which is what helps your team to win) so are useless criteria here, and I don't even think those three have enough of them anyway to be considered superstars on the level of LeBron, Durant or Blake etc.

You're an awful troll, probably butthurt by the success Lebron has accrued over his career and particularly his tenure in Miami. Sad.

[QUOTE=pauk]All i can say is that if you "cant forgive Lebron" (wtf is that supposed to mean anyways? you are a Lebron fan or something that cant forgive him because he didnt win a championship every year or perform like a GOAT every single game????).... then in that case you might not forgive any player in NBA history, because unfortunately nobody was perfect....

Stop trolling....[/QUOTE]

I should have titled the thread differently. I should have said that Lebron is not even a top 15 player. I said I can't "forgive Lebron" because people are appalled and upset when die-hard fans don't put Lebron in our top 15, much less in our top 10. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many titles.

Lebron is being talked up as an all-time great player, so that's how I'm going to grade him. You see me talking about Carmelo in this manner? Carmelo, a great player, will be forgotten in a few years. His expectations are low, no one criticizes him when he comes up short because no one thinks he's an all-time great. If you want me to judge Lebron on the Vince Carter/TMac/Michael Redd scale, I will, just don't bring up his name with the likes of Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Magic, Bird and so on...

OP is a real douche in real life.

They even made a meme about him in the bodybuilding forum.

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129383511[/url]

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3973911&d=1324598887[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JtcQ4.jpg[/img]

Great thread OP :applause:

Lebron stans shook. OP telling the truth.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I should have titled the thread differently. I should have said that Lebron is not even a top 15 player. I said I can't "forgive Lebron" because people are appalled and upset when die-hard fans don't put Lebron in our top 15, much less in our top 10. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many titles.

Lebron is being talked up as an all-time great player, so that's how I'm going to grade him. You see me talking about Carmelo in this manner? Carmelo, a great player, will be forgotten in a few years. His expectations are low, no one criticizes him when he comes up short because no one thinks he's an all-time great. If you want me to judge Lebron on the Vince Carter/TMac/Michael Redd scale, I will, just don't bring up his name with the likes of Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Magic, Bird and so on...[/QUOTE]
Skip bayless impression?

[QUOTE=Lebron23]OP is a real douche in real life.

They even made a meme about him in the bodybuilding forum.

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129383511[/url]

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3973911&d=1324598887[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JtcQ4.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

LOL another one of those people that never watched other legends play and just assume Lebron isn't/doesn't have the potential to be on the same level as them...

Guess its time to call Lebron Tragic James

[QUOTE=Lebron23]OP is a real douche in real life.

They even made a meme about him in the bodybuilding forum.

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129383511[/url]

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3973911&d=1324598887[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/JtcQ4.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
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Lebron Stans Can't Handle The Truth

Shaking my head at the amount of racial and homosexual slurs... as the NBA has shown through the Donald Sterling fiasco, this type of ignorance and hatred has no place in the game...

We're all here because we're fans of basketball. We love watching, playing, and talking about basketball...

I have no agenda. I've defended Lebron constantly in the past whenever 5 > 2 was brought up and how it wasn't fair.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]I'm sorry but I can't put Lebron any where near the top 15 in the all-time rankings, much less in the conversations with Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan, Magic, Shaq, and Bird. The "Chosen One" has turned into the "Frozen One" too many times.

[B]2011 NBA Finals:[/B] He robbed Wade of his second final's MVP. No "superstar" in NBA history has ever sabotaged his teams chances like Lebron did. It's not like he had one terrible quarter or a few bad games. He disappeared the entire series. Bosh and Wade both scored more than Lebron.

[B]2013 NBA Finals:[/B] In the closing minutes of Game 6, Lebron had three turnovers and two bricks. If not for Ray Allen's miracle shot, Lebron would have gone down as the biggest goat, not GOAT, in NBA history. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

[B]2014 NBA Finals:[/B] He cramped up in Game 1. How come he was the only one that cramped up? Did he forget to stretch or drink water? That's his responsibility. Last time I checked, everyone else finished the game fine... even the guys that are a few years away from retirement homes...

In Game 5, he sat out the remaining 8 or 9 minutes of the game... when Miami was only down 11 points... Heck, Michael Beasley showed that he wanted it more than Lebron. I don't care if you lose or win the series. All of the great ones have lost... (even Jordan got swept), but they go down swinging.

[B]Leastern Conference:[/B] [B]Not to mention Lebron plays in the Leastern Conferences. He's playing the likes of the Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Charlotte in the first round, while teams are playing the Blazers, Warriors, and Grizzlies as first round opponents. [/B]Their biggest in-conference rivals have been the Indiana Pretenders, who's offense is to watch Lance or Paul George go iso.

Let's not forget that Lebron still hasn't won a ring without his superstar friends. Let's not forget that he was trying to recruit Carmelo to join him... How much help does this guy need?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Smoke117]You can't forgive him?...what are you his ****ing side piece? This thread is just pathetic.[/QUOTE]

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