Dunking Data For 1988-1993: MJ is the Goat In-Game Dunker for Wing Players

[QUOTE=Beastmode88]How often does Lebron james poster centers? I swear everytime he dunks on someone it's a guard.. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I've been looking for a Lebron James poster on Roy Hibbert forever and then realized it was never coming. Hibbert can barely get off the ground but for some reason Lebron always seems to bitch up when he sees him in the paint instead of taking Hibbert's soul with a vicious dunk. Swingmen of the 90's would have posterized that scrub into submission and made him this era's Shawn Bradley by now.

[QUOTE=Beastmode88]How often does Lebron james poster centers? I swear everytime he dunks on someone it's a guard.. :facepalm[/QUOTE]I'll say this for James (as a few others have touched on in this thread), I believe his strong preference for one-footed takeoffs drastically reduces his poster opportunities. However, his one-footed explosion is a great strength of his, so I do not believe his approach is incorrect.

It's just, typically (though not always), one-footed posters will tend to happen when a defender is on a player's hip or is running to meet the player at the rim (such as on a fast break). Two-footed posters are much more versatile and more often include the ol' "defender waiting at the rim for a battle" scenario.

[QUOTE=3ball]-


[B][U]Total Number of Dunks for Each Player in Various Seasons[/U][/B] (retrieved from 76er's Media Guides)

1988... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lb0whh&s=8#.U_0tH_ldX2U[/url]
1989... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ra47s3&s=8#.U_0qN_ldX2U[/url]
1990... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29aw57s&s=8#.U_0sDPldX2U[/url]
1991... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.U_0tS_ldX2V[/url]
1993... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6i9zef&s=8#.U_02XvldX2U[/url]

88'-93'... [url]https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/s720x720/1795563_10204531167778660_7768591196828075347_n.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]

Do the media guides include regular and postseason dunk totals or just regular season? How can we verify that without mere speculation?

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k][B][U]I've been looking for a Lebron James poster on Roy Hibbert forever [/U][/B]and then realized it was never coming. Hibbert can barely get off the ground but for some reason Lebron always seems to bitch up when he sees him in the paint instead of taking Hibbert's soul with a vicious dunk. Swingmen of the 90's would have posterized that scrub into submission and made him this era's Shawn Bradley by now.[/QUOTE]

Lebron doesn't dunk on Hibbert. He just blocks Hibbert's dunks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emoRlBi9OzU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwgKwhd9VPo[/url]

[QUOTE=Young X]MJ is the best at dunking in traffic I've ever seen by far. [B]His combination of 1st step quickness, elite leaping ability of either 1 or 2 feet and fearlessness was unbeliveable. Vince's 1st step wasn't as good, Wade's vertical isn't as good, Bron doesn't have the same fearlessness or 1st step, Wilkins didn't have the same quickness, etc.[/B]

Sh!t like this...

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Drexler_5a3411aa88633318670558bc6a82e9ed.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67d426c26375b8c.gif[/IMG]

(sorry to steal your gifs OP)

The fact that there's no longer any handchecking/touch fouls to affect him is why I think he would murder the league even worse if he played today. It would literally be impossible to keep from getting to the rim, he's way too explosive.[/QUOTE]

That is true.

I prefer Nique as a dunker over Jordan, and Carter over both of them.

But for effectiveness? Different story, for the reasons in bold.

[QUOTE=jlip]Lebron doesn't dunk on Hibbert. He just blocks Hibbert's dunks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emoRlBi9OzU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwgKwhd9VPo[/url][/QUOTE]

It's Roy Hibbert :oldlol: He takes 5 seconds just to gather himself to go up for a layup or dunk and has a 10 inch vertical leap on top of that.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO_Vx8Oeydo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjJUjL_QG4[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74qoWx9zh4[/url]

:lol

This made me remember talking to a young man on the BBALL court recently..

He Knew about AIR Jordans....the shoe.....because they had a "Air cushion system"...and he knew about Michael Jordan.....and those were Jordan's shoes.

But he didn't know about Michael " AIR" Jordan.





- Before the Titles, Before the fadeaway's, Before the determination, Before the clutchness....he was already a super duper star because he could Dunk....alot!......and his Dunks were thunderous and he was high up....very high up.

( side note, when the Air Jordans were released.....they were called SKY Jordans for sizes 5 - 11 kids)

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67d426c26375b8c.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_goat_93_Finals_31ae617362c141a817e06295ffac1c45.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_blow_by_dominique_and_p_a8bf151e4b1e9ab3a2bb53b09c19229f.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_HopStep_Poster_on_80238d01ed987cdc607f1ff84f8f070f.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/20f0995721cfd7c8754424866d06c4ee.gif[/IMG]...[B]MJ on Dr. J[/B]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/43ee315eb78f1f19fc95ef9374271095.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/06f7330ce5244086308a42cb6a329d86.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_dropstep_two_hands_over_a099eadaf5f4a6b3e821864fc1ca1fd2.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/1997_Finals_Flu_Game_Jordan_a8995f3cc9cacb412fdb537af22c1245.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/604831a820cb7d8ab0c623aae5962cf7.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]It's Roy Hibbert :oldlol: He takes 5 seconds just to gather himself to go up for a layup or dunk and has a 10 inch vertical leap on top of that.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO_Vx8Oeydo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjJUjL_QG4[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74qoWx9zh4[/url][/QUOTE]

If it's [B][I]just[/I][/B] Roy Hibbert who "[I]takes 5 seconds just to gather himself to go up for a layup or dunk and has a 10 inch vertical leap on top of that."[/I] Why are you making a big deal about Lebron not dunking on him? What would be so impressive about dunking on someone who is slow and has a limited vertical leap? Why have you been so eagerly [QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]looking for a Lebron James poster on Roy Hibbert forever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=3ball]Only regular season.. I have no reason to lie.. I like everyone.. I wish we had postseason because Jordan's dunks go up in the postseason, just like the rest of his numbers... half of those dunks in those GIF's are [I]from[/I] the postseason.[/QUOTE]
Ordered those four guides BTW. I'll upload the scans to this thread when they arrive. :cheers:

[QUOTE=fpliii]Ordered those four guides BTW. I'll upload the scans to this thread when they arrive. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
Very cool.. thanks a lot.. Looking forward to seeing those numbers from the group of players in those years.

[QUOTE=3ball]Only regular season.. [B][U]I have no reason to lie.. I like everyone..[/U][/B] I wish we had postseason because Jordan's dunks go up in the postseason, just like the rest of his numbers... half of those dunks in those GIF's are [I]from[/I] the postseason.[/QUOTE]

I don't necessarily question the bold part, but probably 99.9% of your posts have been dedicated exclusively to the MJ>Lebron arguments. Whether that position is true or not, I couldn't care less, but it's obvious that your goal is to present that case at all costs.

[QUOTE=jlip]Do the media guides include regular and postseason dunk totals or just regular season? How can we verify that without mere speculation?[/QUOTE]
Regular season only. Refer to the 05-06 edition (which includes dunks from 04-05):

[url]http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/05-06SIX_p1-50.pdf[/url]

On page 9, at the bottom, the totals for each year are listed under the heading "SEASON TOTALS." This goes back to 87-88, and there appears to be some air of consistency.

Further, the top 2 guys are Shaq and Amare. Both played in the postseason, and dunked a good deal:

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html[/url]

36 and 40 playoff dunks respectively. But in Pollack's guide, they're credited with 255 and 237, matching their regular season totals exactly.

So my conclusion is that the dunks counted in Pollack's guides comprise only regular season totals.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]I've been looking for a Lebron James poster on Roy Hibbert forever and then realized it was never coming. Hibbert can barely get off the ground but for some reason Lebron always seems to bitch up when he sees him in the paint instead of taking Hibbert's soul with a vicious dunk. Swingmen of the 90's would have posterized that scrub into submission and made him this era's Shawn Bradley by now.[/QUOTE]
He had multiple chances in the 2013 ECF but didn't. He's too busy picking on the small guards like Jason Terry, then boasting. Bully coward style. MJ was busy taking pride posterizing huge shot blocking centers in the paint. Why? Actual competitor.

[QUOTE=jlip]If it's [B][I]just[/I][/B] Roy Hibbert who "[I]takes 5 seconds just to gather himself to go up for a layup or dunk and has a 10 inch vertical leap on top of that."[/I] Why are you making a big deal about Lebron not dunking on him? What would be so impressive about dunking on someone who is slow and has a limited vertical leap? Why have you been so eagerly[/QUOTE]

I make a big deal about it because Lebron seems scared of that scrub as if it's Olajuwon, Robinson or Mutombo sitting in the paint waiting for him :oldlol: . He's had chance after chance to poster Hibbert and every time Lebron sees him in the paint he bails and tries some bullshit layup and then looks at the ref for a whistle if he misses.

Interesting numbers...Jordan and Pippen were basically easily the two best in game dunkers on the perimeter during this time. What makes it stand out more is the fact that the Bulls were always at the bottom in pace. (last in 88 and 93) Drexler is 2nd to Jordan here, but the Blazers of that time always played an up tempo style...if the Bulls had played more up tempo Jordan and Pip would have even more dunks. I want to see the 92, 94, 95, and 96 numbers.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]if the Bulls had played more up tempo Jordan and Pip would have even more dunks.[/QUOTE]
:applause:

Though they still got a lot of transition buckets do their combined suffocating defense.

.
[B]Year[/B]..... [B]Shots[/B]..... [B]Dunks[/B]....[B]Shots Per Dunk[/B]

1988..... 165,439..... 5,727..... 28.89 <------ harder to dunk
1989..... 182,375..... 6,475..... 28.17
1990..... 192,942..... 7,011..... 27.52
1991..... 193,050..... 7,241..... 26.66
1992..... 193,401..... 8,122..... 23.81
1993..... 190,296..... 8,252..... 23.06
1994..... 186,948..... 8,515..... 21.96
1995..... 180,414..... 8,645..... 20.87
1996..... 190,675..... 8,468..... 22.52
1997..... 188,587..... 8,460..... 22.29
1998..... 189,544..... 9,318..... 20.34
1999..... 113,390..... 4,681..... 24.22
2000..... 195,228..... 8,325..... 23.45
2001..... 191,661..... 7,319..... 26.19
2002..... 193,256..... 8,439..... 22.90
2003..... 192,096..... 8,265..... 23.24
2004..... 189,805..... 8,120..... 23.38
2005..... 197,640..... 9,150..... 21.60
2006..... 194,310..... 8,640..... 22.49
2007..... 196,080..... 8,310..... 23.60
2008..... 200,490..... 9,270..... 21.63
2009..... 199,050..... 9,360..... 21.27
2010..... 201,000..... 8,790..... 22.87
2011......199,800..... 8,910..... 22.42
2012..... 161,220..... 7,320..... 22.02
2013..... 201,600..... 9,540..... 21.13
2014..... 204,180..... 9,030..... 22.61 <------ easier to dunk


So it was harder to dunk in Jordan's day, for all the reasons mentioned (no spacing, no defensive 3 seconds, more physical defense, real bigs, better shot contestion, etc, etc, etc).
.

[QUOTE=3ball]The bolded above is wrong.


Year[COLOR="White"]....... [/COLOR] Shots[COLOR="White"]........ [/COLOR]Dunks[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Shots Per Dunk

1988..... 165,439..... 5,727..... 28.89
1989..... 182,375..... 6,475..... 28.17
1990..... 192,942..... 7,011..... 27.52
1991..... 193,050..... 7,241..... 26.66
1992..... 193,401..... 8,122..... 23.81
1993..... 190,296..... 8,252..... 23.06
1994..... 186,948..... 8,515..... 21.96
1995..... 180,414..... 8,645..... 20.87
1996..... 190,675..... 8,468..... 22.52
1997..... 188,587..... 8,460..... 22.29
1998..... 189,544..... 9,318..... 20.34
1999..... 113,390..... 4,681..... 24.22
2000..... 195,228..... 8,325..... 23.45
2001..... 191,661..... 7,319..... 26.19
2002..... 193,256..... 8,439..... 22.90
2003..... 192,096..... 8,265..... 23.24
2004..... 189,805..... 8,120..... 23.38
2005..... 197,640..... 9,150..... 21.60
2006..... 194,310..... 8,640..... 22.49
2007..... 196,080..... 8,310..... 23.60
2008..... 200,490..... 9,270..... 21.63
2009..... 199,050..... 9,360..... 21.27
2010..... 201,000..... 8,790..... 22.87
2011......199,800..... 8,910..... 22.42
2012..... 161,220..... 7,320..... 22.02
2013..... 201,600..... 9,540..... 21.13
2014..... 204,180..... 9,030..... 22.61


So it was harder to dunk in Jordan's day, for all the reasons mentioned (no spacing, no defensive 3 seconds, more physical defense, real bigs, better shot contestion, etc, etc, etc).
.[/QUOTE]

Buh buh buh... dat advanced defense :confusedshrug:

Why was there such a weird jump in '98?

[QUOTE=AirFederer]Lebron has no two footed jump.
[/QUOTE]


:coleman: go to :16 secs in this video and tell me LBJ has no 2 footed dunk/jumps:oldlol:

[b]LEBRON JAMES 7 DUNKS on Toronto Raptors[/b]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6H3YgM1JHw&hd=1[/url]

[quote=DonDadda59]Buh buh buh... dat advanced defense :confusedshrug:

Why was there such a weird jump in '98?[/quote]
Probably the addition of the no charge circle, and (another) change to the hand check rule.


[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/29/sports/nba-preview-97-98-five-new-rules-are-likely-to-give-pros-a-face-lift.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/29/sports/nba-preview-97-98-five-new-rules-are-likely-to-give-pros-a-face-lift.html[/URL]

[I]October 29, 1997

[/I] [I]Blame Pat Riley's no-layup rule that forbids players passage to the basket. Or Charles Oakley's massive forearms that stop penetrating point guards in their tracks. Or point your finger at a bunch of unimaginative offenses that seem to generate points.[/I]

[I]Five rule changes instituted by the league's competition committee this season are the most significant since the restriction of hand-checking by defensive players before the 1994-95 season -- another rule that had much do with those naughty, naughty tactics of Riley and the Knicks.[/I]

[I]''Basically, we're trying to encourage more driving to the basket,'' said Rod Thorn, the National Basketball Association's vice president of operations.[/I]

[I] ''Our hope is that teams will get a few more shot opportunities or draw a foul, whatever the case may be. We'd like to force some people to develop a medium-range game.''[/I]

[I]Teams averaged slightly more than 79 shots a game last season, a figure Thorn would like to see increase by at least a few shots. The league's two-highest scoring teams, Utah and Chicago, met in the N.B.A. finals this past June. But neither the Bulls nor the Jazz managed to crack the 100-point barrier in a six-game series.[/I]

[B][I]The rule changes:[/I][/B]

[I]*Moving back the 3-point line, which was 22 feet from the basket the last three seasons. It will be lengthened to its original distance of 23 feet 9 inches, except in the corners, where the distance will remain 22 feet.[/I]

[I]*A defender will not be permitted to use his forearm to impede the progress of an offensive player who is facing the basket in the frontcourt.[/I]

[I]*A player may not call a timeout if both of his feet are in the air and any part of his body has broken the vertical plane of the sideline or baseline.[/I]

[I]*The illegal-defense rule in which two defenders had to be at the foul line while guarding players uninvolved in the offense far out on the perimeter has been eliminated. One of the defenders will be allowed to go outside the lane, if the defender so chooses. This discourages teams from effectively removing two players from the action.[/I]

[I]*A no-charge area near the basket will be expanded. The area, in which an offensive foul is not called if contact is made with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position, will be the area consisting of a half circle with a four-foot radius measured from the middle of the goal. Five hashmarks on the floor this season will mark the area to better help officials.[/I]

[QUOTE=3ball]The bolded above is wrong.


Year[COLOR="White"]....... [/COLOR] Shots[COLOR="White"]........ [/COLOR]Dunks[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Shots Per Dunk

1988..... 165,439..... 5,727..... 28.89
1989..... 182,375..... 6,475..... 28.17
1990..... 192,942..... 7,011..... 27.52
1991..... 193,050..... 7,241..... 26.66
1992..... 193,401..... 8,122..... 23.81
1993..... 190,296..... 8,252..... 23.06
1994..... 186,948..... 8,515..... 21.96
1995..... 180,414..... 8,645..... 20.87
1996..... 190,675..... 8,468..... 22.52
1997..... 188,587..... 8,460..... 22.29
1998..... 189,544..... 9,318..... 20.34
1999..... 113,390..... 4,681..... 24.22
2000..... 195,228..... 8,325..... 23.45
2001..... 191,661..... 7,319..... 26.19
2002..... 193,256..... 8,439..... 22.90
2003..... 192,096..... 8,265..... 23.24
2004..... 189,805..... 8,120..... 23.38
2005..... 197,640..... 9,150..... 21.60
[B]2006..... 194,310..... 8,640..... 22.49
2007..... 196,080..... 8,310..... 23.60
2008..... 200,490..... 9,270..... 21.63
2009..... 199,050..... 9,360..... 21.27
2010..... 201,000..... 8,790..... 22.87
2011......199,800..... 8,910..... 22.42
2012..... 161,220..... 7,320..... 22.02
2013..... 201,600..... 9,540..... 21.13
2014..... 204,180..... 9,030..... 22.61[/B]


So it was harder to dunk in Jordan's day, for all the reasons mentioned (no spacing, no defensive 3 seconds, more physical defense, real bigs, better shot contestion, etc, etc, etc).
.[/QUOTE]
Just wondering, where'd you find the totals for 06-14? I can't seem to find them online.

[QUOTE=PHILA]Probably the addition of the no charge circle, and (another) change to the hand check rule.


[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/29/sports/nba-preview-97-98-five-new-rules-are-likely-to-give-pros-a-face-lift.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/29/sports/nba-preview-97-98-five-new-rules-are-likely-to-give-pros-a-face-lift.html[/URL]

[I]October 29, 1997

[/I] [I]Blame Pat Riley's no-layup rule that forbids players passage to the basket. Or Charles Oakley's massive forearms that stop penetrating point guards in their tracks. Or point your finger at a bunch of unimaginative offenses that seem to generate points.[/I]

[I]Five rule changes instituted by the league's competition committee this season are the most significant since the restriction of hand-checking by defensive players before the 1994-95 season -- another rule that had much do with those naughty, naughty tactics of Riley and the Knicks.[/I]

[I]''Basically, we're trying to encourage more driving to the basket,'' said Rod Thorn, the National Basketball Association's vice president of operations.[/I]

[I] ''Our hope is that teams will get a few more shot opportunities or draw a foul, whatever the case may be. We'd like to force some people to develop a medium-range game.''[/I]

[I]Teams averaged slightly more than 79 shots a game last season, a figure Thorn would like to see increase by at least a few shots. The league's two-highest scoring teams, Utah and Chicago, met in the N.B.A. finals this past June. But neither the Bulls nor the Jazz managed to crack the 100-point barrier in a six-game series.[/I]

[B][I]The rule changes:[/I][/B]

[I]*Moving back the 3-point line, which was 22 feet from the basket the last three seasons. It will be lengthened to its original distance of 23 feet 9 inches, except in the corners, where the distance will remain 22 feet.[/I]

[I]*A defender will not be permitted to use his forearm to impede the progress of an offensive player who is facing the basket in the frontcourt.[/I]

[I]*A player may not call a timeout if both of his feet are in the air and any part of his body has broken the vertical plane of the sideline or baseline.[/I]

[I]*The illegal-defense rule in which two defenders had to be at the foul line while guarding players uninvolved in the offense far out on the perimeter has been eliminated. One of the defenders will be allowed to go outside the lane, if the defender so chooses. This discourages teams from effectively removing two players from the action.[/I]

[I]*A no-charge area near the basket will be expanded. The area, in which an offensive foul is not called if contact is made with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position, will be the area consisting of a half circle with a four-foot radius measured from the middle of the goal. Five hashmarks on the floor this season will mark the area to better help officials.[/I][/QUOTE]

That was quick :applause:

Amazing how a few tweaks here and there in the rule book can drastically change the game.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Just wondering, where'd you find the totals for 06-14? I can't seem to find them online.[/QUOTE]
This data is available on the Season Summary page that bballref does for each season....

Here is 2014's Season Summary Page - [url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html[/url]

To get total shot attempts, scroll down to Team Stats and look at the 4th column for FGA and go all the way to the bottom - you will see that the league-average for a team's Total FGA was 6806.... Multiply this number by the number of teams (30) and you get 204,180 shot attempts for the entire league in 2014..

To get the number of dunks, scroll down to Team Shooting... Go to 2-pt field goal section and look at the Made Dunk stats... Scroll to the bottom to get the average total dunks for a team on the season... Multiply this by number of teams to get total dunks for the league on the season.

Divide Total Shot Attempts by Total Dunks.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Buh buh buh... dat advanced defense :confusedshrug:
[/QUOTE]
The data shows how Jordan got more dunks each season than Durant/Lebron/Wade... and did so at a time when dunks were quite a bit harder to come by league-wide.

For example, in 1988, Jordan got 158 dunks when dunks were gotten 1 in every 28.89 shots.

In 2013, Lebron got his career-high of 144 dunks... dunks were gotten 1 in every 21.16 shot in 2013.

[QUOTE=Rake2204]If I knew where my 92-93 Fleer Ultra Jam Session cards were I could help you guys out with the 1991-92 dunk stats. Instead, I only recall that David Robinson was #1 that year, though I don't know if that was total dunks or dunks per game.

[img]http://www.deanscards.com/images/products/basketball/1992-93FleerUltra/92-93FUltra201.jpg[/img]

Jordan's:

[img]http://listia.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/4ca8b3e8f71d3b464e64/medium.png[/img][/QUOTE]


I'm such a f***** loser - but I still have both of those cards.

David Robinson had 155 dunks in the 91-92 season for a rank of #1

MJ had 98 dunks that season for a rank of #16

It just gives you the rankings for that specific player on the card, the they cite the 76ers media guide as well.

[QUOTE=3ball]This data is available on the Season Summary page that bballref does for each season....

Here is 2014's Season Summary Page - [url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html[/url]

Scroll down to Team Stats and look at the 4th column for FGA and go all the way to the bottom - you will see that the league-average for a team's Total FGA for the season was 6806.... Multiply this number by the number of teams (30) and you get 204,180 shot attempts for the entire league..

Scroll down to Team Shooting... Go to 2-pt field goal section and look at the Made Dunk stats... Scroll to the bottom to get the average total dunks for a team on the season... Multiply this by number of teams to get total dunks for the league on the season.

Divide Total Shot Attempts by Total Dunks.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.

I actually found this after looking:

[url]www.nba.com/sixers/misc/2010_pollack_stats_.html[/url]

and filled in the missing years from basketball-reference.com (it seems there are slight difference, of a handful from your totals, so I think both are good):

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html[/url]

using the "Team Shooting" table. 2007 seemed to be a mistake (he had 5191), so I double checked, and corrected it.

Here's my data, I tried looking at it in a few ways:

[CODE]Year GP Pace FGA 3PA Dunks Dks/GP Poss/Dk FGA/Dk 2PA/Dk
1988 943 99.6 87.7 5.0 5757 6.1 32.6 28.7 27.1
1989 1025 100.6 89.0 6.6 6475 6.3 31.9 28.2 26.1
1990 1107 98.3 87.2 6.6 7011 6.3 31.0 27.5 25.5
1991 1107 97.8 87.2 7.1 7241 6.5 29.9 26.7 24.5
1992 1107 96.6 87.3 7.6 8122 7.3 26.3 23.8 21.7
1993 1107 96.8 86.0 9.0 8252 7.5 26.0 23.1 20.7
1994 1107 95.1 84.4 9.9 8515 7.7 24.7 21.9 19.4
1995 1107 92.9 81.5 15.3 8645 7.8 23.8 20.9 17.0
1996 1189 91.8 80.2 16.0 8468 7.1 25.8 22.5 18.0
1997 1189 90.1 79.3 16.8 8460 7.1 25.3 22.3 17.6
1998 1189 90.3 79.7 12.7 9318 7.8 23.0 20.3 17.1
1999 725 88.9 78.2 13.2 4681 6.5 27.5 24.2 20.1
2000 1189 93.1 82.1 13.7 8325 7.0 26.6 23.5 19.5
2001 1189 91.3 80.6 13.7 7319 6.2 29.7 26.2 21.7
2002 1189 90.7 81.3 14.7 8446 7.1 25.5 22.9 18.8
2003 1189 91.0 80.8 14.7 8248 6.9 26.2 23.3 19.1
2004 1189 90.1 79.8 14.9 8146 6.9 26.3 23.3 18.9
2005 1230 90.9 80.3 15.8 9150 7.4 24.4 21.6 17.3
2006 1230 90.5 79.0 16.0 8633 7.0 25.8 22.5 18.0
2007 1230 91.9 79.7 16.9 8321 6.8 27.2 23.6 18.6
2008 1230 92.4 81.5 18.1 9261 7.5 24.5 21.6 16.8
2009 1230 91.7 80.9 18.1 9362 7.6 24.1 21.3 16.5
2010 1230 92.7 81.7 18.1 8785 7.1 26.0 22.9 17.8
2011 1230 92.1 81.2 18.0 8906 7.2 25.4 22.4 17.5
2012 990 91.3 81.4 18.4 7324 7.4 24.7 22.0 17.0
2013 1229 92.0 82.0 20.0 9325 7.6 24.3 21.6 16.3
2014 1230 93.9 83.0 21.5 9035 7.3 25.6 22.6 16.7[/CODE]

Dunking was clearly a lot harder to come by in the early 90's and before.

The rule changes in the mid-90's helped free things up to make dunking easier and that period also coincided with the largest ever increase in 3-point attempts (attempts more than doubled from 1991 to 1995).

That's one of the reasons the data is important - it shows that in the late 80's/early 90's, guys like Jordan, Pippen, Wilkins and Drexler were dunking more than Durant, Lebron and Wade, even though dunks occurred league-wide 30% to 50% less often.

For example, in 1988, Jordan got 158 dunks when dunks were completed league-wide once in every 28.89 shots.

In 2013, Lebron got his career-high of 144 dunks... but it was a lot easier to dunk - dunks were completed once in every 21.16 shots in 2013.
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So Jordan dunked more than Durant, Lebron and Wade, and over defenders much more often, even though dunks were completed league-wide 30% to 50% less often back then.

Here's 10 dunks that only Jordan could do, because only Jordan could take off in that specific way while still achieving max hops and only Jordan had the optimal physique to thread the needle and fit amongst the congestion... notice high intensity/quick action upon the catch.


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[QUOTE=nnn123]I'm such a f***** loser - but I still have both of those cards.

David Robinson had 155 dunks in the 91-92 season for a rank of #1

MJ had 98 dunks that season for a rank of #16

It just gives you the rankings for that specific player on the card, the they cite the 76ers media guide as well.[/QUOTE]That's awesome! Good stuff. I remember the Shawn Kemp one too. There was a quote on the back about how his dunks on the street made sparks come off the chain nets.

[QUOTE=3ball]Dunking was clearly a lot harder to come by in the early 90's and before.

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You're delusional. Mandatory man to man defense where you can isolate one guy on the strong side of the floor, higher frequency of fast breaks, and lesser emphasis on defense all say otherwise.

It's not rocket science. You think the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than Don Nelson's Dirk and Nash Mavs because it was so much harder to score?

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So Jordan dunked more than Durant, Lebron and Wade, and over defenders much more often, even though dunks were completed 30% to 50% less often league-wide back then.

Here's 10 dunks that only Jordan could do, because only Jordan could take off in that specific way while still achieving max hops and only Jordan had the optimal physique to thread the needle and fit amongst the congestion... notice high intensity/quick action upon the catch.


[img]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/06f7330ce5244086308a42cb6a329d86.gif[/img]


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Every one of these where he starts from a standstill is a travel....dude moves both feet before dropping the ball for the dribble.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]You're delusional. Mandatory man to man defense where you can isolate one guy on the strong side of the floor, higher frequency of fast breaks, and lesser emphasis on defense all say otherwise.
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It's not rocket science. You think the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than Don Nelson's Dirk and Nash Mavs because it was so much harder to sc[/B]ore?[/QUOTE]

Read the bolded. Over and over again.

All you do is post threads sucking Jordan's wang so...I'm not expecting a lot of common sense.

[quote]It's not rocket science. You think the Bad Boys allowed more PPG than Don Nelson's Dirk and Nash Mavs because it was so much harder to score?[/quote]
You cannot ignore pace. In the early 2000's there were some great defensive teams, but also a lot of bad offense. 2004 in particular was an ugly year for the NBA in terms of offense.

[B]1999-2004 Mavericks DRtg:[/B] 105.4
[B]1999-2004 League Average:[/B] 103.4

Mavericks defensively were 2 points worse than the average NBA team.


[B]1987-1991 Pistons DRtg:[/B] 104.8
[B]1987-1991 League Average:[/B] 108.0

Pistons defensively were 3.2 points better than the average NBA team.

Only Jordan could have done those dunks because he's the only one with those type of moves in tight quarters (you don't see russell westbrook or james harden doing anything like that... it 's a whole different level or dimension that they don't have).

and only he had the physique to even fit into those tight spots.

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[B][U]Jordan Threading the Needle with Dunks in Traffic that No One Else Could Do[/U][/B]


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[QUOTE=eliteballer]Every one of these where he starts from a standstill is a travel....dude moves both feet before dropping the ball for the dribble.[/QUOTE]
Jordan is the only one capable of completing a dunk in these spots because of the moves he has...

When he's posting up and he half-spins baseline but does that subtle upfake first to freeze the defender - only Jordan does that - then he has to tightrope the sideline and finish with a poster at the rim...

All these things together... only Jordan could do them... which is why the stats show he is the goat in-game dunker for wing players... he had all these extra layers to his game in addition to all the regular stuff (transition and dribble penetration).
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MJ for sure has a case! But for me in terms of number of great in game dunks, give me Nique! If there was a point system to where THE MOST SICK DUNKS wins, I think Nique would come out the victor. And don't forget in terms of tip jams off the rim, Nique has NO EQUAL! In terms of difficulty or creativity, give me Vince. In terms of the most complete in game dunker ever (one foot or two feet) give me MJ. For a dunker who could manipulate the defense with his hands and glide the best, give me the Dr. J.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]It's not rocket science. [/QUOTE]
The NBA mandated that defenders cannot occupy the paint (defensive 3 second rule) - this rule coupled with today's 3-point shooting and the subsequent spacing [I]are why all of Lebron's dunks were wide open in 2013 and 2014[/I] - he didn't have to dunk on anybody.

Whereas the lack of spacing in Jordan's day meant he had to dunk over and through people all the time... you should re-read the op, since it had video proof of Lebron's open dunks and Jordan's posters in traffic.

And now we have actual numbers proving that it was MUCH harder to get a dunk in the early 90's than it is in this era.... The data can't be denied.

In 1988, Jordan got 158 dunks - at that time, dunks were completed league-wide once in every 28.7 shots.

In 2013, Lebron got his career-high of 144 dunks... but it was a lot easier to dunk - dunks were completed once in every 21.1 shots in 2013.

What is so hard to understand about this?

[QUOTE=3ball]The NBA mandated that defenders cannot occupy the paint (defensive 3 second rule) - this rule coupled with today's 3-point shooting and the subsequent spacing [I]are why all of Lebron's dunks were wide open in 2013 and 2014[/I] - he didn't have to dunk on anybody.

Whereas the lack of spacing in Jordan's day meant he had to dunk over and through people all the time... you should re-read the op, since it had video proof of Lebron's open dunks and Jordan's posters in traffic.

And now we have actual numbers proving that it was MUCH harder to get a dunk in the early 90's than it is in this era.... The data can't be denied.

In 1988, Jordan got 158 dunks - at that time, dunks were completed league-wide once in every 28.7 shots.

In 2013, Lebron got his career-high of 144 dunks... but it was a lot easier to dunk - dunks were completed once in every 21.1 shots in 2013.

What is so hard to understand about this?[/QUOTE]

Jordan had less space? Look in every clip you posted....he's isolated against one guy and has a clear path to the basket.

Why are there more dunks per shot now? The guys are more athletic now. Doesn't mean it isn't harder to get in there for a dunk.

IE How many PG's back then could easily throw down in a game vs. now? \

I like how you conveniently ignored my comment about Jordan traveling. He moves BOTH feet before his dribble touches the ground on all of them.

Kobe can do those dunks all day:[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sizsclc7sK8...except[/url] he adds more flavor like a windmill.

Kobe is a better dunker: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U[/url]

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look at all these dunks, in traffic, on multiple players.

nobody finishes like lebron today. hell nobody has ever finished like lebron around the rim.

what makes these more impressive than any of the ones posted here, are the defenses being played.

[B]“All you have to do is look at the stats,” Bird says. “There’s better shooting back then, better defense now."

“Offenses are a little more complex because the defenses have forced that,” Ainge says. “In the ’80s, defense was important but you didn’t do as much double-teaming, you didn’t do as much trapping. You played guys straight up."

"Players today have the skills from before but are also more athletic."

2001, Colangelo, on why the rule change was proposed:[/B]

[B]"Our belief is that the game has evolved, and the product we have presently was one that needed attention," Colangelo said "The game has changed in the sense that we've lost a lot of fluidity. We've evolved because of our defensive guidelines[/B]."

imo, lebron > jordan as an IN GAME dunker