Hypocrisies in feminism

[QUOTE=Nanners]I originally said this several months ago, but i think this is a good opportunity to repeat myself -

The value of a college education is not simply the ability to get a good job in a STEM field. Many classes like Philosophy and Literature are considered to be "useless" because you cant use them to get a job, but that is losing sight of the entire point of education in the first place. College was never about getting a job historically, it was about improving your intellectual capabilities. One of the most important skills you aquire at college is the ability to think logically and critically, to form rational thoughts and coherent arguments that stand up in the face of criticism, and these abilities are honed during these "useless" liberal arts classes like Philosophy.

Take a look at the two posters in this thread who have been talking about the uselessness of college, think about the previous posts you have read from these two clowns on this website. Neither of them have any ability to think critically or form rational arguments. They would both benefit tremendously from a well rounded college education.[/QUOTE]
What is stopping you from reading books on your own, and researching new books on the internet and then reading them? Why do you need to go to university to have them tell you what books you should read, and how you should read them?:confusedshrug: If people are truly interested in something, they won't need a uni professor to tell them to do it.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]What is stopping you from reading books on your own, and researching new books on the internet and then reading them? Why do you need to go to university to have them tell you what books you should read, and how you should read them?:confusedshrug: If people are truly interested in something, they won't need a uni professor to tell them to do it.[/QUOTE]

some things you cant learn by just reading a book. for example, you wont learn to think critically by simply reading a book on philosophy.

[QUOTE=Nanners]if you really think you can achieve the same result by simply reading books at the library as you get taking classes where you have group discussions and receive feedback on your thoughts from an expert in the field.... well, its not hard to see why you had to drop out of OSU[/QUOTE]
What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university?:confusedshrug: What's stopping anyone from doing this?

Why do they need to be forced by their teacher and threatened with failure before they actually pick up a book in the subject they apparently love so much? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Nick Young]What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university?:confusedshrug: What's stopping anyone from doing this? [/quote]

nothing is stopping you from doing this, this is a great thing to do. but its still not a good substitute for school.
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Why do they need to be forced by their teacher and threatened with failure before they actually pick up a book in the subject they apparently love so much? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
is this sentence supposed to make sense? thank you for proving my point about how a college education is important in helping people form rational and coherent arguments. nobody is "forced" to go to college.

[QUOTE=Nanners]some things you cant learn by just reading a book. for example, you wont learn to think critically by simply reading a book on philosophy.[/QUOTE]
You learn ho to think critically by having problems put in front of you, and solving them. That is why apprenticeships are more useful then university educations. In apprenticeships you actually DO THINGS. In university, you just learn the theory in how to do things, WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING THINGS.

And still there is this snobbery out there in the general population that apprenticeships are for idiots, and university education is for the intellectually elite.:facepalm

Glad that many US employers are starting to hire apprentices ahead of uni graduates, even in fields like engineering. Not because the apprentice accepts a cut rate price, but because the apprentice has not only theoretical knowledge, but also EXPERIENCE with problem solving. That's the problem with university. Too much theorycrafting does nothing but create a bunch of lazy conceptualists.

If everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit. And sadly, university level education HAS GOTTEN EASIER over the years, to accommodate all the stupid people being let in to college now who would not have been accepted in the past but are now given state sponsored scholarships.

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is this sentence supposed to make sense? thank you for proving my point about how a college education is important in helping people form rational and coherent arguments. nobody is "forced" to go to college.[/QUOTE]
LOL there's the snobbery again.

Allow me to explain things in simple terms, that you are able to understand :)

A kid takes an English literature course, majors in English literature.

The professor tells the class to read Wuthering Heights.

The kid had no intentions of picking this book up before the professor made him. The kid only read the book because he was afraid of failing the course, not because he actually has a passion for gobbling up English literature. The kid did not engage in any critical thinking whilst reading the book, and instead just listened to his professors interpretation of things, in order to not fail the test that he knew was coming up.

The kid did not enjoy reading Wuthering Heights and did not critically engage with the story whilst reading it, because he was only reading it because someone else told him to read it, and because of his fear of failing the course.

How is that useful for anyone involved? That shit happens with so many kids at uni. If a kid doesn't have passion for learning, why should that kid be in university instead of doing something useful with their time? Oh wait, because the negative social stigma of not going to university. I wonder who benefits from that negative social stigma-oh wait that's right, state sponsored for-profit universities and colleges:banghead:

It's ridiculous that some people on this board think that the simplistic arguing they do is similar to the thinking you get from an education. People on this board do the following.
1) Decide in advance their position.
2) Do really quick and pointed searching (not research) to find statement which back them up. List them out.
3) Never listen to the totality of anyone else's argument, never entertain the other argument might be right (and drawn from) and instead just pick at individual pieces they don't like. Using the same quick, non scientific searching for facts as in step 2.

"It's the same as college". Not really. In college you're forced to deal with other people's ideas and opinions and explain other people's thoughts, if you agree with them or not. You can't just dismiss them in summation like you do here.

People argue real life events on this board to the level of facebook conversations and act like they are experts on everything. It's pretty funny.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]forreal dawg.

And if you question anything said in these MANDATORY feminism classes, you get shot down and yelled at by the professor and entire class, even if all you're doing as ASKING a question:lol

Uni ain't shit these days unless you're doing something useful like medicine, engineering or law.[/QUOTE]


makes sense that you are type of smug douchebag that asks smug douchehbag questions in a smug douchebag way during class and then pats himself on the back for teaching bad old teacher whats what while everyone else just shakes their head at what a smug douchebag you are.

[QUOTE=kentatm]makes sense that you are type of smug douchebag that asks smug douchehbag questions in a smug douchebag way during class and then pats himself on the back for teaching bad old teacher whats what while everyone else just shakes their head at what a smug douchebag you are.[/QUOTE]
No. Actually I'd just politely ask questions when an opinion that was being taught as stone cold fact had several logical holes in it.

Now I am being mocked for asking questions in a university class, and questioning my surroundings-I thought that's what university was all about doe:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Nick Young]do you think you learned things in these classes that you couldn't have learned if you had decided to take the initiative and do the research for yourself?:confusedshrug:

Universities back in the day encouraged genuine academic study. Now it's just all about hoop jumping.[/QUOTE]

I'm not convinced I would have taken the initiative myself.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]^ This sums it up nicely.


Nobody (in this thread) is discouraging learning. My point is that millions of kids are going into debt bc they buy education in a sellers market when they could achieve the same result going to the library for free. They think they "have to" go to college automatically or there is no hope for them ever making a decent income. Its become this ingrained mindset that nobody even questions anymore. Its a fallacy. The actual value of college tuition has become grossly over-inflated.[/QUOTE]

I definitely think colleges are taking advantage of students now that society expects degrees. They see that the youth feel they must go to college and will go no matter what the cost, so the colleges jack the prices year after year. Loan companies are also taking advantage.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Dawg, do female professional tennis players deserve to be payed the same as males, despite playing two sets less per match and drawing in less TV ratings and less money in terms of ticket sales?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
if you honestly gave a shit i might have cause to answer

[QUOTE]What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university? What's stopping anyone from doing this?[/QUOTE]
this is such a dumb argument

what we're suggesting to you is that school isn't about the resources. it's not a great place to learn new things because it has a bunch of books and computers and smart people hanging around. it promotes a culture of free exchange of persuasive and descriptive ideas that enlighten people with perspectives to which they hadn't already been exposed.

what's stopping you from learning quantum mechanics? all the information is out there, that much is obvious. and learning such a difficult science would clearly be useful for me in my life. but i don't bother to learn it... even though all the information is a button click away. why is that?

it's the same reason the majority of people i meet in this world aren't interested in literature. it's hard. to remove the humanities from advanced education would be suicide for those subjects of inquiry. they require an institutional structure as an incentive for people to discover them.

[QUOTE=Nanners]if you really think you can achieve the same result by simply reading books at the library as you get taking classes where you have group discussions and receive feedback on your thoughts from an expert in the field.... well, its not hard to see why you had to drop out of OSU[/QUOTE]



I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.[/QUOTE]

yeah i can see how you wouldnt like having a group discussion with people like me, you do seem to hate people who actually call you out on the weak ass bullshit arguments you are always throwing around. as you probably learned first hand at OSU before you dropped out, in college you cant respond to another students/teachers argument with your usual rebuttal "you are wrong cuz your just another dumb sheep and puzzy ass liberal".

i wouldnt worry about reducing your intellect though, doubt thats even possible. its like dividing by zero or some shit.

the snobbish middle class elitism grows strong in this thread:lol

I learnt a lot at Uni, applied it in practical classes weekly, and got accredited to do the career I thought I wanted when I applied. If that's what I had wanted to do (Biomedical Science), it was perfect.

Honestly, even if I hadn't known what I wanted to do, I'd have gone anyway. People who go to uni earn more on average. I got the job I have now because I have a degree, it set me apart. Could I have got it without? Probably, but based on the people in my job at the same level, it would have taken me until I was about 24. I'm 2 years ahead, and had 3 years to **** about, drink a shitload of booze and learn about something I enjoyed (even if I didn't want a career in it).

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Feminism is pretty much ugly women hating on pretty women and promoting Marxism/communism.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:

The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?

[QUOTE=LJJ]The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?[/QUOTE]
It's stupid, the reason there aren't more male nude pictures is they couldn't find them. Especially if they were sexually explicit. A LIst male actor trumps C list female idol easily in terms of attention. Me just don't send those type of pictures or keep them on their phone. Plus these are all young girls, they are sending the pictures, men again don't do that.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.[/QUOTE]
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its not all that

[QUOTE=niko]It's stupid, the reason there aren't more male nude pictures is they couldn't find them. Especially if they were sexually explicit. A LIst male actor trumps C list female idol easily in terms of attention. Me just don't send those type of pictures or keep them on their phone. Plus these are all young girls, they are sending the pictures, men again don't do that.[/QUOTE]

Yeahh I have to agree that you just can't see A list male celebrities being that stupid. If di Caprio or Depp or someone got caught then there would be as much exposure, even if there wouldn't be hundreds of articles defending men's right to privacy.

[QUOTE]All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?[/QUOTE]

Yep, all these women objecting will no doubt have seen the photos too.

"We don't objectify men"

Magic Mike: $113 million dollar gross

[QUOTE=LJJ]The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?[/QUOTE]
Why don't they say this when Vanessa Hudgens and Rihanna pics got leaked? Is it only because they love Jennifer Lawrence?

I smell some more hypocrisies in the air

[QUOTE]You learn ho to think critically by having problems put in front of you, and solving them. That is why apprenticeships are more useful then university educations. In apprenticeships you actually DO THINGS. In university, you just learn the theory in how to do things, WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING THINGS.
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this is spot on btw, your problem is you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. the theory IS important and the evidence for that is everywhere around you.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]this is spot on btw, your problem is you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. the theory IS important and the evidence for that is everywhere around you.[/QUOTE]
In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.[/QUOTE]
name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.[/QUOTE]
We went through this before, there are a lot of jobs where the complexity is such that you need to understand a lot of underlying information, not just "do it and learn it". You also need to learn to do the type of critical thinking required to understand those complexities.

We always had interns at work, the difference between a first year and a fourth year is the first year is doing things rote as you tell them and a fourth year knows why they are doing it. For really basic work rote is fine, for things more complex, you need the underlying theory. And let me tell you, there is no time for the master to sit and give his apprentice actual classes in theory.

I'm assuming whatever you do is simplistic to the point it can be learned on the fly because that's how you see the world.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.[/QUOTE]

The people on this board can't see what you said because they don't exchange in transfer of ideas. They only listen to themselves. They'd completely miss the point of that kind of education.

[QUOTE=niko]The people on this board can't see what you said because they don't exchange in transfer of ideas. They only listen to themselves. They'd completely miss the point of that kind of education.[/QUOTE]
well that's just clearly not true

[QUOTE=RidonKs]well that's just clearly not true[/QUOTE]
Not everyone, i just mean some of the people in this discussion. Discussions on this board can be very myopic. People can be arguing based on a fact set that they find out is absolutely 100% wrong (which happens) and they will still argue endlessly.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it
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but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.[/QUOTE]
Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE-In many psychology courses around the UK, many muslim students are refusing to learn evolutionary psychology, because evolution goes against their religion. They walk out of the class and refuse to answer test questions. Because teachers are afraid of being Islamaphobic, they pass these students and give them degrees anyways. SO basically there are all these kids out there now with psychology degrees, able to practice psychology who aren't really qualified to do it, because they blocked out loads of lessons. What does a UK degree mean?


My last job was in the education sector. I sat in several meetings with VCs, deans and course leaders and had to listen to several episodes such as this that are occuring in unis all over the UK. I spoke to kids DOING MASTERS PROGRAMMES IN PSYCHOLOGY WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO CARL JUNG WAS.

University educations are starting to mean jack shit. Unis are just doing their best to accept as many dumbasses in to their program as possible to get their loan money and then spit them out with degrees that they don't deserve. This is what happens when Liberal la la land encourages everyone to get degrees.

Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.

Maybe this is a UK specific problem, I wouldn't know.

[QUOTE=niko][B]We went through this before, there are a lot of jobs where the complexity is such that you need to understand a lot of underlying information, not just[/B] "do it and learn it". You also need to learn to do the type of critical thinking required to understand those complexities.
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You are acting like they don't teach theory and underlying information in apprenticeships:facepalm Don't be elitist bro!

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.[/QUOTE]
My dad is an electrician. He was sent to classes in the air force, he studied later on in classes too. It depends on the complexity of problem you are facing. He didn't learn everything by apprenticing. Con Edison (the provider in NY) sends their electricians to school. You're right, but you're not just because you're a bit too far in one direction.

Not all universities are like you are describing btw. I had the experience you are talking about at times (it's awful) BUT I also had the experience Ridonks is talking about. There were classes that were beyond pointless but some of the unrelated stuff I was asked to take did contain information that was helpful, or just methodology i could use on other things.

You kind of get out of it what you put into it. If you go into it with the idea this is useless crap I'm being forced to do then good luck on it being positive.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]You are acting like they don't teach theory and underlying information in apprenticeships:facepalm Don't be elitist bro![/QUOTE]
Not to the degree necessary to do a lot of jobs. By nature these are jobs that require a lot of time on the job doing the actual work. you can't sit and teach a master class. Apprenticeships are working and watching, not classwork. If you want to pretend part of the apprenticeship is the part where you break out the books and the person teaches you like it's school, then yes, school is not needed. :lol

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.


[B]ANOTHER EXAMPLE-In many psychology courses around the UK, many muslim students are refusing to learn evolutionary psychology, because evolution goes against their religion. They walk out of the class and refuse to answer test questions. Because teachers are afraid of being Islamaphobic, they pass these students and give them degrees anyways. SO basically there are all these kids out there now with psychology degrees, able to practice psychology who aren't really qualified to do it, because they blocked out loads of lessons. What does a UK degree mean?[/B]


My last job was in the education sector. I sat in several meetings with VCs, deans and course leaders and had to listen to several episodes such as this that are occuring in unis all over the UK. I spoke to kids DOING MASTERS PROGRAMMES IN PSYCHOLOGY WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO CARL JUNG WAS.

University educations are starting to mean jack shit. Unis are just doing their best to accept as many dumbasses in to their program as possible to get their loan money and then spit them out with degrees that they don't deserve. This is what happens when Liberal la la land encourages everyone to get degrees.

Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.

Maybe this is a UK specific problem, I wouldn't know.[/QUOTE]

Name and shame then, which university? My dad's a lecturer and has never encountered anything like this.

[QUOTE]Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.[/QUOTE]

That's just idiots being idiots.

[QUOTE=niko]My dad is an electrician. He was sent to classes in the air force, he studied later on in classes too. It depends on the complexity of problem you are facing. He didn't learn everything by apprenticing. Con Edison (the provider in NY) sends their electricians to school. You're right, but you're not just because you're a bit too far in one direction.

Not all universities are like you are describing btw. I had the experience you are talking about at times (it's awful) BUT I also had the experience Ridonks is talking about. There were classes that were beyond pointless but some of the unrelated stuff I was asked to take did contain information that was helpful, or just methodology i could use on other things.

[B]You kind of get out of it what you put into it. If you go into it with the idea this is useless crap I'm being forced to do then good luck on it being positive[/B].[/QUOTE]
I agree here.

My whole life I was taught to believe that university is like Ridonks is talking about it as, that getting in to uni was the most important thing, and how I would learn so much there.

Unfortunately when I got there, I guess I expected too much. Teachers where lazy, kids didn't give a phuck, the standards were garbage. Kids all around me seemed to have an attitude that once they have a degree they could just walk in to any job. Hardly anyone worked hard. I was being taught shit that I had already learned in 9th grade in America:facepalm I only succeeded and am doing decently these days BY IGNORING and GOING AGAINST most of the bullshit my professors told us to do.

The kids who my professors constantly lorded over all of us as golden saviors of design are now working in places like Autoglass window repair and Staples as sales assistants, so I am confidant I did the right thing not listening to these guys.


My uni was not great-but I did spend my first year in a very very good school (until I couldnt afford it anymore) and the attitudes of the profs and students was similar.


working in the education sector the previous year, I saw alot more shit. I know I sound like a dumbass on this site sometimes but that's just because I like to troll to get funny reactions. I had to sit in a lot of big wig meetings and read a bunch of reports and I saw first hand how this "Uni degrees for everyone" is just phucking up things.

Too many dumbasses who dont belong in uni are being accepted in to uni, because unis want their student loans. Also these dumbasses are being encouraged to go in to uni whereas in the older days they wouldn't have been, because clearly they are too stupid and unmotivated to handle it.

There is a PC way to say that, but I cant be phucked ^^^

So these dumbasses go to unis and do their best to drag back everything and everyone around them. Courses have to be simplified to accommodate the dumbasses who aren't qualified to be in the course in the first place.

They are fast tracked through the courses, because professors don't want to fail them, because it would mean having to teach them in class for another year.

Eventually all these dumbasses get out of uni with a shiny new degree. Employers give these kids a chance, and because they're unqualified and unmotivated dumbasses, they flounder. These dumbasses have cheapened the university degree for everyone.

ALSO-entitlement culture. Everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit, but still kids are graduating and expecting to be handed jobs on a silver platter. Then when they don't get the jobs, they moan and complain at their unis because they got low grades, so the unis comply by making the courses even simpler.

Maybe this is only a problem in UK higher education and not the US, I dunno.

[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Name and shame then, which university? My dad's a lecturer and has never encountered anything like this.

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These assholes in vice chancellors groups have tried to get at me before when I have been whistleblowing the bullshit going on in their unis. I don't want this to somehow get back to them by posting the unis on a public forum. I will PM you :)

nick young

only skimmed your latest responses in this thread though they seem to be better thought out than others you have made so kudos!

thought you'd enjoy this

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/articles/grad-student-deconstructs-takeout-menu,85/"]Grad Students Deconstruct Takeout Menu[/URL]

just stumbled across it but its a satirical bite at the point philosophy/humanities in general becomes a giant waste of time. which is true in many cases for many people. i see the same thing; grad students not knowing some pretty elementary shit.

what i maintain is that

a) its useful now even in its current state
b) we can make it more useful by toying around with the structure ie the relationship between universities and internships/co-ops (thats just one example there is all kinds of potential for change)

Lulz.

Feminism slowly being planted in the minds of Muslim women... and soon enough AMISH AND MORMONS.

Gonna be an interesting world.