Any half decent SG would average 25 ppg if he's allowed to jack up 25 shots a game

[QUOTE=3ball]people don't realize how much ability it takes to get up 25 shots per game.

most guys, if you told them to go shoot 25 times, would look COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS...

they would be taking wild shots to get to 25 and it would look farcical and staged.

kobe can get up 25 shots without it looking completely ridiculous... his ability allows him to do that..[/QUOTE]

This.

If Tyson Chandler, or DeAndre Jordan were asked to take 25 shots per game, their efficiency would nose-dive.

Just watch footage of a prime Kobe. Defenses were stacked to stop him. I recall his '08 series against the Spurs. He just shredded Bruce Bowen, and then he would challenge Duncan at the rim, too.

Ignorant fans honestly believe that the NBA would not adjust for a true scoring threat.

I have said it before, but almost everyone here has played organized ball at at least some level. Now, honestly ask yourself, how many 30-40-50 point games did you have?

i highly doubt Danny Green would average anywhere near 25ppg. probably like 18

[QUOTE=stanlove1111]You just don't understand basketball and I am afraid you never will. All you know is stats and this post shows that again.

Its very rare for a player to not play within the flow of the game and just look for his own point totals. That's what Kobe did when he scored 44 points in 31 minutes. So saying the fact that its not common place is proof that its hard to do makes no sense.

[B]How did Thompson and Gervin do the one game in their careers they went for high point totals and didn't play within the natural flow of the game[/B]?

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First of all, prime Thompson and Gervin were GREAT scorers. But, their highest scoring games came in their last games of the season, and against opponents who had no interest in the game.

BTW, Thompson shot 28-38 from the field, which was probably a career high, and Gervin only shot 23-49.

David Robinson scored 71 points in a game, too...on 26-41 from the floor. Can you name the center who "guarded" him in that game? No, you can't...because they didn't have one.

Same with Shaq's 61 point game. It was a complete joke. He played 45 minutes in a blowout win, against a 12-47 Clippers team that had "the bust" Olawakandi "defend" him for a few minutes, then a group of PF's that I could have scored 20 points on.

The reality was, if these guys were REALLY capable of career high games on a nightly basis, they most certainly would have been doing them.

When they actually faced defenders, and defenses, that were designed to stop them, they did not put up historic games. Robinson struggled in the post-season. Only a prime Shaq, against Mutombo, had a high scoring post-season series against a quality team and defense. He never came close to that against the Robinson-led Spurs from '99 thru '02. And his other high-scoring Finals were against Smits and McCullough...two creampuffs.

[QUOTE=LEFT4DEAD]Kobe is top 5 , on the most overrated players of all time list. Fact![/QUOTE]

You're the undisputed GOAT on the f*ggot list though

People saying that anybody could average 25ppg given enough shots like there aren't bad offensive teams in the league. Most guys who don't shoot a lot aren't doing it because their being nice or unselfish, it's that their coach knows that they aren't capable of being a go-to scorer.

I can't believe this is a real discussion on here.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]People saying that anybody could average 25ppg given enough shots like there aren't bad offensive teams in the league. Most guys who don't shoot a lot aren't doing it because their being nice or unselfish, it's that their coach knows that they aren't capable of being a go-to scorer.

I can't believe this is a real discussion on here.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is...that Byron Scott isn't a competent coach?

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]People saying that anybody could average 25ppg given enough shots like there aren't bad offensive teams in the league. Most guys who don't shoot a lot aren't doing it because their being nice or unselfish, it's that their coach knows that they aren't capable of being a go-to scorer.

I can't believe this is a real discussion on here.[/QUOTE]

Excellent.

Steve Kerr may very well have been the best pure shooter in NBA history...which was fine when he was open. However, put a defender on him, and he couldn't get a shot off.

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]So what you're saying is...that Byron Scott isn't a competent coach?[/QUOTE]

Not the right coach for this team, although none would be really. It's just a mismash of unwanted players. None of them compliment each other on either side of the ball.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Excellent.

Steve Kerr may very well have been the best pure shooter in NBA history...which was fine when he was open. However, put a defender on him, and he couldn't get a shot off.[/QUOTE]
Trolling aside, kobe is shooting below 40%. I know he has a lot of clout in the organization but you can't give him a greenlight to shoot low % shots when you know you can't afford them. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Trolling aside, kobe is shooting below 40%. I know he has a lot of clout in the organization but you can't give him a greenlight to shoot low % shots when you know you can't afford them. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]

I am not really defending Kobe's shooting here. The man is 36 years old, and playing on surgically repaired legs and ankles. Having said that, though, who else can shoot on this Laker team?

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I am not really defending Kobe's shooting here. The man is 36 years old, and playing on surgically repaired legs and ankles. Having said that, though, who else can shoot on this Laker team?[/QUOTE]


Kobe and Lin could be much more dangerous if Kobe would focus energy on developing a relationship with him.. Instead of disregarding him as just another scrub.

But Wes booze and Hill are too inept offensively that it probably wouldn't matter anyway.

Kobes in a lose lose.. If he sits back and facilitates he's a scrub for being sub, 20ppg scorer. If he shoots too much he's a chucker.

Guys in the top 40 in scoring that are shooting less than 41.5%

Kobe Bryant - 37.7%
James Harden - 38.3%
Demar Derozan - 41.3%
Chris Bosh - 41.3%
Jamal Crawford - 39.4%
Kevin Love - 37.7%

He's not alone. James Harden should be more shocking/cause for concern.

[QUOTE=yeaaaman]Guys in the top 40 in scoring that are shooting less than 41.5%

Kobe Bryant - 37.7%
James Harden - 38.3%
Demar Derozan - 41.3%
Chris Bosh - 41.3%
Jamal Crawford - 39.4%
Kevin Love - 37.7%

He's not alone. James Harden should be more shocking/cause for concern.[/QUOTE]


Honestly I'm suprised by a lot of them there.

Chris Bosh fell all the way off

and lol @ Love

[QUOTE=SugarHill]Chris Bosh fell all the way off

and lol @ Love[/QUOTE]
Loves been hitting half twos half threes.. He's at 54TS..not that bad for a guy taking as much spot up threes as anybody in the league.

[QUOTE=Human Error]His blind fanboys and the idiotic LA media created this monster that can do no wrong.[/QUOTE]

come suck my c0ck or send ur mutha to do that

[QUOTE=kentatm]:wtf: :biggums:

How old are you if you think Rodman should have been covering and shutting down MJ and Shaq on the reg? Dude was a 6'7 PF not a swing man or big bodied C.[/QUOTE]
That was exactly my point? People, now, act like he could have. Hence overrated.

[QUOTE=yeaaaman]Guys in the top 40 in scoring that are shooting less than 41.5%

Kobe Bryant - 37.7%
James Harden - 38.3%
Demar Derozan - 41.3%
Chris Bosh - 41.3%
Jamal Crawford - 39.4%
Kevin Love - 37.7%

He's not alone. James Harden should be more shocking/cause for concern.[/QUOTE]


This is meaningless. Why do you guys obsese with stats.

The point is Kobe is a ball stopper who destroys any flow in the offense for his teammates..I don't care what percent he is shooting. I don't see that in anyone else..Are you denying this?

Kobe has done this for years..

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I am not really defending Kobe's shooting here. The man is 36 years old, and playing on surgically repaired legs and ankles. Having said that, though, who else can shoot on this Laker team?[/QUOTE]


Here we go with the surgically repaired thing again..Did you notice the word REPAIRED in there..he is obviously fine physically...

You pull this with Wilt all the time also...

[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe and Lin could be much more dangerous if Kobe would focus energy on developing a relationship with him.. Instead of disregarding him as just another scrub.

But Wes booze and Hill are too inept offensively that it probably wouldn't matter anyway.

[B]Kobes in a lose lose.. If he sits back and facilitates he's a scrub for being sub, 20ppg scorer. If he shoots too much he's a chucker.[/B][/QUOTE]

Not really. If he actually dialed it down and concentrated more on a all around game I would respect him a lot more this season. Maybe try and play a little defense and not take 30 shots a night.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I'm not going to try and defend his poor shooting here, but if Kobe doesn't take 25 shots per game for this rancid team, who does?[/QUOTE]

Distributing shots will lead to a better long term outcome than a 19th year veteran chucking up a large majority of the shots as the offense is more unpredictable. That's why teams play run sets and don't iso all the time even if one player is better. Clearly Kobe putting up 25+ppg on less than 40% isn't working out...