MJ's Stats in Each Playoff Series Against Top 5 Ranked Defenses

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Not knowing when a pretty high profile player joined a heavily televised team is indicative of the fact that you dont watch much basketball. Mo Williams being the cavs second scorer was a pretty big story. Any semi serious fan would remember.[/QUOTE]

what happened to lebron playing with garbage in 09 and 10?

In 2009 he was. He made the all star team ffs

[QUOTE=dh144498]what happened to lebron playing with garbage in 09 and 10?[/QUOTE]
High profile does not mean good. Mo Williams wasn't a terrible player he just isnt a player who should be the second option on a 60 win team. Those teams were not garbage they were decent but had no business winning 60 games. None. for that we can thank LeBron James.

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]High profile does not mean good. Mo Williams wasn't a terrible player he just isnt a player who should be the second option on a 60 win team. Those teams were not garbage they were decent but had no business winning 60 games. None. for that we can thank LeBron James.[/QUOTE]

inflated record due to east. not impressed

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]inflated record due to east. not impressed[/QUOTE]

They went 26-4 against the West in '09

I think 09 is literally the single year where the East was stronger than the West in the past two decades.

[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]I think 09 is literally the single year where the East was stronger than the West in the past two decades.[/QUOTE]

Past two decades? No. The East had a winning record against the West during the Bulls second 3peat

[QUOTE=VengefulAngel]SF:

Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kevin Durant
Elgin Baylor
Dr J
Charles Barkley

How would you order that? Need to cut someone also.[/QUOTE]
bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> leflop

[QUOTE=SugarHill]Jordan
Kobe
[B]Wade[/B]
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

Which SG's would you replace Wade with?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The "elite" 1988 Cleveland Cavaliers defense was as good at limiting points allowed on a per possession basis as the 2004 Atlanta Hawks (25th out of 29).

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

When you say stuff like this you make yourself sound like you've never watched basketball. I'm open to hearing people make arguments, but your understanding of the game seems rather limited.

[QUOTE=Paul George 24]bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> leflop[/QUOTE]

Obviously weren't old enough to watch Bird if you think that

At worst its a tossup, but I feel that Lebron has the slight edge

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]Obviously weren't old enough to watch Bird if you think that

At worst its a tossup, but I feel that Lebron has the slight edge[/QUOTE]
3>>>>>>2 :banana:

bird never choke like leflop ever been

[QUOTE=Paul George 24]3>>>>>>2 :banana:

[B]bird never choke[/B] like leflop ever been[/QUOTE]

:lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

y'all some sneaky mf's... :coleman:

i needed to use this thread as part of another argument, and the numbers didn't look as good as i needed them to, so i decided to double-check the numbers again...

sure enough, i missed the 1986 Celtics, who had the #1 defense in the league.


and yet no one could point out that i missed Jordan's greatest individual performance against a #1 defense and top 3 all-time team... :biggums:


y'all ****** man.. lebron stans will resort to anything to prop up their man... :facepalm

anyway, i added the 1986 Celtics and their #1 defense to the OP's list, which sealed my argument in another thread.. :pimp:

How do people feel about you in real life? Be honest.

[QUOTE=SugarHill]Jordan
Kobe
Wade
West
T-Mac

that top 5 peak value

Top 5 for point guards really better than this? :durantunimpressed:[/QUOTE]

Peak Wade > Peak Kobe

[QUOTE=3ball]just think.. that was MJ's worst playoff series ever (30.2ppg, 8.6 rebs, 47.5% TS).


otoh, lebron imitates kobe much better:


SAS 2007 Finals (22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. [B]42.8% TS[/B].. 35.6% FG)

DAL 2011 Finals ([B]17.8[/B].. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1% TS.. 47.8% FG.. and GOAT choke)


Yikes.. :eek:
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How'd I miss this gem? :oldlol:

3Ball...the Grim Reaper of Bran Stans :bowdown: :applause: :oldlol:

Well to adjust for pace add 10 percent to the stats for stars today if comparing to MJ from the 80s

[QUOTE=Quickening]

Well to adjust for pace add 10 percent to the stats for stars today if comparing to MJ from the 80s

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[B][I]Nice try bud.. League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:
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1985: 99.4..... 6% higher
1986: 99.7..... 6%
1987: 95.8..... 2%
1988: 95.5..... 2%
1989: 97.0..... 4%
1990: 96.7..... 4%
1991: 95.6..... 2%
1992: 94.4..... 1%
1993: [B]92.5[/B]... (1%) lower
1995: [B]92.0[/B]... (2%)
1996: [B]91.1[/B]... (3%)
1997: [B]90.0[/B]... (4%)
1998: [B]89.0[/B]... (5%)


6% difference in 1985 and 1986, and then after that, it's the same as today, and actually a SLOWER pace from 1993-1998.

As you can see, Jordan showed he can 3-peat with a faster OR slower pace than today's game.

[QUOTE=3ball][B][I]Nice try bud.. League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:
[/B][/I]

1985: 99.4..... 6% higher
1986: 99.7..... 6%
1987: 95.8..... 2%
1988: 95.5..... 2%
1989: 97.0..... 4%
1990: 96.7..... 4%
1991: 95.6..... 2%
1992: 94.4..... 1%
1993: [B]92.5[/B]... (1%) lower
1995: [B]92.0[/B]... (2%)
1996: [B]91.1[/B]... (3%)
1997: [B]90.0[/B]... (4%)
1998: [B]89.0[/B]... (5%)


6% difference in 1985 and 1986, and then after that, it's the same as today, and actually a SLOWER pace from 1993-1998.

As you can see, Jordan showed he can 3-peat with a faster OR slower pace than today's game.[/QUOTE]

I was purely talking about stats, not about MJ winning all his championships after his peak in a weak 90s era.

What is the OP supposed to prove? Here are his FG %'s in the listed series:

44%, 51%, 56%, 49%, 52%, 46%, 47%, 54%, 55%, 53%, 48%, 40%, 44%, 42%, 45%, 39%, 47%. Good, especially given the opposition, but not numbers that show him as immune to the limits of being human against elite defenses.

[QUOTE]League-wide pace today is 93.8... The Bulls pace was equivalent:[/QUOTE]

And league-wide scoring? You know what those numbers will show. :oldlol:

1985: 111.
1986: 110.
1987: 110.
1988: 108.
1989: 109.
1990: 107.
1991: 106.
1992: 105.
1993: 105.

1995: 101.
1996: 100.
1997: 97.
1998: 96.

Scoring has ranged from 96-101 in the past decade--after slipping to as low as 93 in the 2004 season. So any of the figures listed for 1985-1993 have to be adjusted to reflect the substantially higher scoring during those years.