Put Wade on the Bulls from 1984-1996, How does his Career turn out?

[QUOTE=Milbuck]Wade was really screwed by injuries, I won't say it's an unfair hypothetical, but he's not exactly in a favorable spot here. If it's prime Wade placed in 91, it'd be close. Not sure how many he'd win.

You mention Kobe in literally every post you make :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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Kobe.

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]This is assuming the Bulls never drafted Jordan and Wade was the Franchise Player.[/QUOTE]

I know. I meant Pippen and Wade would be the best perimeter players of that era--and on the same team.

[QUOTE]Can a Jordan/Bulls historian please tell me/us what series in which Jordan did play were even close? I know the Bulls never had a game 7 in the Finals. What about other rounds?[/QUOTE]

Here are their series that went the distance from 1985-1998:

1989 first round (5 games)
1990 ECF
1992 ECSF
1994 ECSF (MJ retired, Pete Myers at SG)
1998 ECF

That is it. The same team that happened to take Chicago to 7 games in 92' faced Chicago with Pete Myers, not MJ in 94' and that series also went 7 games. Only two series, one ECF and one second round series, went the distance during Chicago's title years.

[QUOTE]even if Pippen became the same player, wouldn't beat the Pistons or [B]Knicks[/B]...[/QUOTE]

They went 7 games versus the Knicks with D-League Myers but would lose with a top 3-4 all-time SG? In 91', when Chicago beat Detroit, they swept them. They would lose with Wade?

To understand their superiority look at the length of the ECF when CHI won: 4 games, 6 games, 6 games, 4 games, 5 games and 7 games. Three cake ECF's and the 92' one went 6 games but Chicago was clearly superior--sweeping the Cavs in both 93' and 94' (sweeping them without MJ!).

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Here are their series that went the distance from 1985-1998:

1989 first round (5 games)
1990 ECF
1992 ECSF
1994 ECSF (MJ retired, Pete Myers at SG)
1998 ECF

That is it. The same team that happened to take Chicago to 7 games in 92' faced Chicago with Pete Myers, not MJ in 94' and that series also went 7 games. Only two series, one ECF and one second round series, went the distance during Chicago's title years.
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Thanks. I thought it was something like that.

So basically anyone saying Wade would not win a single title, or only one, is saying that even with an additional game in most of the playoff series, he wouldn't be enough to compensate for Jordan.

Silly notion, IMO.

Any high-scoring wing that is also a plus defender, inserted on to that team in place of Jordan, would instantly make them title favorites. Team was nasty, and stacked.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wade in place of Jordan, even if Pippen became the same player, wouldn't beat the Pistons or Knicks... Let alone some of the other playoff match ups they had.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Interesting topic. To be frank, I don't believe Wade would win much if ANY championships. Think about it. His first title was won in 2006, but only after the perimeter rule changes, as he needed arguably the worst officiated series in history to secure a title and Finals MVP. But not just that -- there were MULTIPLE head coaches who claimed Shaq was still the lead alpha dog and BEST player on the Heat. His next 2 titles were derived from sidekick status alongside LeBron.

Chicago would be lucky to win 1, in my opinion, as I think Wade would have trouble adjusting to the 80's and 90's handchecking rules (along with being a more physically taxing era). Pippen is clearly an inferior player to LeBron, but what made those Bulls teams great was Pippen's leadership and playmaking. The Bulls never had championship success prior to Pippen and haven't since he's retired.[/QUOTE]

Decent point about the handchecking and overall 80s/90s rules. With Wade's durability in question, its tough saying. I think 1-3 titles is safe, although after reading your post and a few others, I'm not even sure if that.

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They went 7 games versus the Knicks with D-League Myers but would lose with a top 3-4 all-time SG? In 91', when Chicago beat Detroit, they swept them. They would lose with Wade?[/QUOTE]

Why would I be talking about 1991 Detroit? They were done. They aren't beating prime Detroit with Wade at all.

The Knicks lost in 7, lost in 6, won in 7. Most games were within 10 points. Wade is worse than Jordan and not as mentally tough. Wade wouldn't get the same calls that Jordan got or the same benefit of the doubt. Knicks win. End of story.

Wade's longevity kinda screws him.. He'd be 2011 version by rhe time pippen was mature and bad boy plus showtime fell off.. So he'd only have 2 or 3 years of being prime.. But with the way pippen was playing in the mid 90s I can see them competing with even a washed up wade.so probably 2 or 3 titles.

It just shows how far the Jordan mythology has gone. The team was contender with a SG who was not even a top 50 SG--in that given year--in 94' but they could not win with a top 3-4 all-time SG. :lol They had no competitive series in 91' or 96' with MJ. In most years the ECF was a cake walk. Without MJ in 94' they played the very teams they faced the previous two years.

Vs. Cleveland: 4-2, 4-0, 3-0.
Vs. New York: 4-3, 4-2, 3-4.

57 wins in 93' with MJ, 55 without him in 94' with a D-League replacement at SG.

Yet people are acting like the team would fall off the cliff with Wade? :wtf:

[QUOTE]7. Most games were within 10 points. Wade is worse than Jordan and not as mentally tough.[/QUOTE]

The Knicks' margin of victory with Myers, not MJ in 94' were 1* (Hue Hollins), 4, 5 and 10. Wade is not better than Myers enough to put the Bulls over the top??? Forgot Wade. Without the Hollins call the Bulls would have won.

The 91' Pistons were in the ECF and the #2 seed. If they couldn't beat the Bulls who would in the East? Do you think the Lakers, who lost in a backdoor sweep, would stop the Bulls in the Finals with Wade?

None, those Pistons teams would whip him good.

If he fell 7 times,he's not gettin up 8 like the commercial.

Hell, are they even making the Finals. Could they get past Detroit in 91, Chicago in 92 and 93? Orlando in 95 and 96?

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]None, those Pistons teams would whip him good.

If he fell 7 times,he's not gettin up 8 like the commercial.

Hell, are they even making the Finals. Could they get past Detroit in 91, Chicago in 92 and 93? Orlando in 95 and 96?[/QUOTE]
Yes.

Wade isn't smart enough to full comprehend and instill the triangle offense, look at how Melo is doing. MJ and Kobe are leagues above Wade in the smarts department.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]It just shows how far the Jordan mythology has gone. The team was contender with a SG who was not even a top 50 SG--in that given year--in 94' but they could not win with a top 3-4 all-time SG. :lol They had no competitive series in 91' or 96' with MJ. In most years the ECF was a cake walk. Without MJ in 94' they played the very teams they faced the previous two years.

Vs. Cleveland: 4-2, 4-0, 3-0.
Vs. New York: 4-3, 4-2, 3-4.

57 wins in 93' with MJ, 55 without him in 94' with a D-League replacement at SG.

Yet people are acting like the team would fall off the cliff with Wade? :wtf:



The Knicks' margin of victory with Myers, not MJ in 94' were 1* (Hue Hollins), 4, 5 and 10. Wade is not better than Myers enough to put the Bulls over the top??? Forgot Wade. Without the Hollins call the Bulls would have won.

The 91' Pistons were in the ECF and the #2 seed. If they couldn't beat the Bulls who would in the East? Do you think the Lakers, who lost in a backdoor sweep, would stop the Bulls in the Finals with Wade?[/QUOTE]

Why are you talking about 1991? I don't care. I never said anything about 1991. And yeah they might still beat the Bulls.

You think the Bulls didn't get a bunch of bs calls in 93 and 94 because they were the Bulls who had won multiple titles? Nah, couldn't be.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Why are you talking about 1991? I don't care.

You think the Bulls didn't get a bunch of bs calls in 93 and 94 because they were the Bulls who had won multiple titles? Nah, couldn't be.[/QUOTE]

Yea but Wade been getting bullshit calls since before he ever won anything. People act like mj wasn't getting extreme preferential treatment.. He was the Golden boy. If he didn't exist and Wade was there in his place he'd be the new golden boy for his extremely aesthetic game and takeover ability (even though it's less than Jordans it would still be better than any other wings at the time) .. And would get similar great ref treatment.

Plus Wade had some of the best series of his career against Ben Wallace Pistons and Thibs Celtics.. People acting like he can't take contact or perform against physical defenses...

[QUOTE=tpols][B]Yea but Wade been getting bullshit calls since before he ever won anything.[/B]People act like mj wasn't getting extreme preferential treatment.. He was the Golden boy. If he didn't exist and Wade was there in his place he'd be the new golden boy for his extremely aesthetic game and takeover ability (even though it's less than Jordans it would still be better than any other wings at the time) .. And would get similar great ref treatment.

Plus Wade had some of the best series of his career against Ben Wallace Pistons and Thibs Celtics.. People acting like he can't take contact or perform against physical defenses...[/QUOTE]

Wade got all the Calls during the 2004 & 2005 Playoffs?

Bump. Hopefully others can give their opinion

I'm a big fan of Wade but there is now way he wins 3+ rings like some are suggesting. I would give him 1991 with 2010 Wade but after that? Idk, they'd have an outside shot in 92 with the 2011 version of Wade but after that he started declining so there would be no reasonable way to think he'd win any more at that point.

So yeah, i'm confident in saying he'd get one ring, with a ceiling of 2.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]2 championships. we already know what it would be like if he played with pippen and a contending supporting cast.[/QUOTE]


:applause: :bowdown: my nizzle fa shizzle.

4th and 5th year Wade was injured

by 93 Wade isn't healthy enough to lead a team, he'd make a good second option to Pippen but not as good as Scottie Pippen was at being the second option to Jordan

Wade would shred the lack of lane penetration

If prime Wade could drop 30/5/7 being the primary option on his team in a zone friendly league, You sure as hell bet he'd do 33/5/7 in the 90's...

Win maybe 5 chips with a healthy Wade

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]by 93 Wade isn't healthy enough to lead a team, he'd make a good second option to Pippen but not as good as Scottie Pippen was at being the second option to Jordan[/QUOTE]

Wade really only had the burden of really carrying team with no help for like 3 seasons. Jordan had that for like 5 seasons. On top of that Wade is more injury prone and would be playing in a more physical era. They may not win anything cause Wade might not really last that long. His injury issues may have been too significant earlier on.