Cops shoot down a homeless man in LA

[QUOTE=Godzuki]another dumbass resisting arrest, another dumbass dead.

[B]at some point even retarded people would see the recurring theme here[/B] :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

One would only hope....

[QUOTE=RoseCity07]No, I want to live in a country where cops are not above the law. Having a gun and a badge doesn't give you a right to murder someone. You signed up for this job. Shooting a suspect because you're incompetent to take him down in a nonlethal way means you shouldn't have the job in the first place.

Why don't we have firemen just stand outside of a burning building and just wait until he fire is extinguished before they rush in to save the people?. If a firefighter hid behind the line that his life isn't worth being put in danger you would call him a coward.

The only difference here is that you think these people are all criminals so it's a different situation. What if these people are mentally ill? Do they deserve to die because they are not in their right mind? That is a barbaric viewpoint. They resisted the police so they deserved to get shot right?

The problem with you is you think you know it all kid.[/QUOTE]
None of this bullshit justifies your initial post, and most of it doesn't even make sense, so i'm going to ignore it. Luckily you live in a country where no one is 'above the law' so there goes that one.

[QUOTE=gts]it was another cop

Can't believe folks are shocked. Convicted felon out on parole for armed bank robbery, warrant out for his arrest, resists arrest tries to grab a cops gun gets shot and people are up in arms. lol[/QUOTE]
If thats the case then I personally see no fault with what the Police did.

[QUOTE=The Macho Man]Of course they are

They never get indicted[/QUOTE]
1 that is not true.

that NYPD officer who shot akai gurley got indicted

2. anyone that shoots under justified circumstances shouldnt be indicted.

in this case if the homeless man was reaching for a cops gun, its a justified shooting.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???


If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR.


I am not saying if you "resist" arrest you should automatically be shot. If you're trying to push a cop away or you're trying to squirm out of his grip or something, that's completely different. If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Dude, how do you know if he's armed or not???? You got X-ray vision? You can see in his pocket???[/QUOTE]

Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed

[QUOTE]If a guy is swinging at you and you are focused on putting your arms up and trying to defend yourself, maybe you don't see or have time to react when he suddenly reaches into his pocket and pulls out a gun or a knife that you didn't see with your x-ray vision. This is a life-threatening risk it's easy for you to sit there at a computer and downplay, because you're not in the middle of the street, trying to fend off a physical assault from a nutjob who COULD be armed and could also have accomplices anywhere around you ready to run up and put a gun to your stomach just like that, AS HAS HAPPENS TO POLICE EVERY YEAR. [/QUOTE]

Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.

[QUOTE] If you are engaging in a belligerent, violent attack against him, YOU GON DIE. AND THAT'S GOOD. Because you're too stupid to live anyway[/QUOTE]

Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.

You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

Police lives > criminals lives

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed



Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.



Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.[/QUOTE]



I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.

Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??

[QUOTE=Akrazotile[B]]I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.
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Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??[/QUOTE]

I appreciate that it is hard to judge how threatening a situation is, just think the alternative of giving the cops the right to shoot even when no real risk exists is a slippery slope.

We disagree on the level of violence/threat from a suspect that justifies lethal force, and i think that cops that kill in under the circumstances you describe would be in a lot of trouble.

[QUOTE]Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed? [/QUOTE]

Personally I would be lying if I said I was.

[QUOTE]Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. [/QUOTE]

you see the problem with your scenario is a corrupt cop could just claim anyone that offended him strung and missed and thats why he shot them.

[QUOTE] If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??[/QUOTE]

I think you have to establish a higher standard for the use of lethal force than you do. With your standard the cops could basically kill anyone they want.
[QUOTE] If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking[/QUOTE]
Also this situation is different depending on who is attacking. If you have someone that looks like brock lesnar attacking you and you shoot him, I am going to give you a lot more benefit of the doubt than if someone like sheldon cooper were attacking you. Its just a different level of potential threat.

[QUOTE]grabbing for guns[/QUOTE]
If somebody tries to grab a cops gun, zero percent problem with the cop shooting that person.

[QUOTE=KNOW1EDGE]You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

[B]Police lives > criminals lives[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, but i think you have to set a higher standard than you seem to do of when it becomes appropriate to use lethal force.
Its weird most people think the standard for using lethal force is way higher than I do.


[QUOTE]You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?[/QUOTE]

In that if someone is resisting arrest cops should automatically assume they are armed? yes.