[QUOTE=fandarko]It's actually NBA>Euroleague>Eurocup>European national leagues>NCAA.
NCAA should not even be in the discussion, since it's manned by kids and not grown men.[/QUOTE]
Kentucky mopped the floor on those grown men.:roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=fandarko]It's actually NBA>Euroleague>Eurocup>European national leagues>NCAA.
NCAA should not even be in the discussion, since it's manned by kids and not grown men.[/QUOTE]
Kentucky mopped the floor on those grown men.:roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=fandarko]It was a situational thing. It wasn't meant to be, he didn't really wanted, they didn't give him a chance.
Petrovic was benched by Adelman in 1989 in Portland and averaged 7 ppg (the year before in Madrid he averaged 30) while he could have averaged 20 for a different team easily.
I for one don't believe that Spanoulis' game is suited for the NBA.
The former European great Zarko Paspalj was shit for the Spurs in the late 90s due to a complicated set of circumstances (played for Larry Brown in a forward-stacked Spurs team) and he was one of the best forwards that has ever played the game.
It's difficult to compare. But you put any NBA sophomore in the situation Spanoulis was tonight and they produce a blank sheet.[/QUOTE]
Minor league is not the best indicator of players ability.:no:
It's easy to look like an eagle when you are guarded by those pigeons:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:
Printezis = 22
Spanoulos = 3
Carried :coleman:
Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:[/QUOTE]
That's funny, because if they based things in the NBA on that stat, Kobe would have been considered one of the worst players of all time.
STOP TROLLING
[QUOTE=Milbuck]Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.[/QUOTE]
:biggums: some high schools are pretty good man
[QUOTE=Rooster]Kentucky mopped the floor on those grown men.:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
[B]I hope to God you really are trolling[/B]. Because if you really believe Kentucky could stay within 30-40 points of CSKA or Olympiacos, you are without any doubt the biggest moron of all time in this forum.
[QUOTE=Euroleague][B]I hope to God you really are trolling[/B]. Because if you really believe Kentucky could stay within 30-40 points of CSKA or Olympiacos, you are without any doubt the biggest moron of all time in this forum.[/QUOTE]
OK being 100% realistic, Kentucky would obviously get destroyed by any pro EU team.
But an NBA bench would shit on any EU team so hard, they'd be ****ing buried
He hit some really big shots down the end to take his team to the final. 2013 all over again.
Let's be real. Kentucky would have completed a perfect season if they played in the Euroleague and won each game by double digits.
:kobe:
[QUOTE=Euroleague]That's funny, because if they based things in the NBA on that stat, Kobe would have been considered one of the worst players of all time.
STOP TROLLING[/QUOTE]
***** please, kobe is clearly a top 15 player of all time
[QUOTE=oarabbus]OK being 100% realistic, Kentucky would obviously get destroyed by any pro EU team.
But an NBA bench would shit on any EU team so hard, they'd be ****ing buried[/QUOTE]
The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.
Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.
CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.
Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.
But Euroleague teams are right behind.
[QUOTE=Optimus Prime]Let's be real. Kentucky would have completed a perfect season if they played in the Euroleague and won each game by double digits.
:kobe:[/QUOTE]
Kentucky would have been lucky to win 2 games in the season, even being put in the worst group of the whole league.
And most likely, they would have went 0-10.
Every single team in the Euroleague, even the very worst team, would have easily went through the NCAA tournament and won it.
Stop being stupid.
[QUOTE=ISHGoat]***** please, kobe is clearly a top 15 player of all time[/QUOTE]
Kobe is much better than top 15. What is your point?
He was using the Larry Bird plus minus hockey stat they use in the Spanish League all the time.
The only people that actually really care about that stat are idiots. That was my point. I've honestly never heard of a player or coach even think of it during a game.
It's just some kind of trivial stupid stat that some people in Europe are obsessed with. Point being, the way it is configured, players like Kobe would be considered hot trash of all time.
It's a nonsense stat and really only people that know jack about basketball even care about it.
[QUOTE=fandarko]The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.
Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.
CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.
Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.
But Euroleague teams are right behind.[/QUOTE]
Probably right, it's still a very talented and highly rated professional league.
[QUOTE=fandarko]The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.
Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.
CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.
Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.
But Euroleague teams are right behind.[/QUOTE]
I know Fener beat the Celtics (when they were still decent) and almost beat the Spurs, but I'm not sold on them making NBA playoffs. I think it would depend on them being in the Eastern conference.
I think in Western conference they would be in same level as teams like Suns, Pelicans, Mavs after they got Rondo, etc. So no sure thing for them if they were in that good conference. They simply are a terrible team on defense. If they were in the East? Sure.
But they are not at the same level at all as a team like Barca, which just did not make the final four because they got matched with Olympiacos in the playoffs. Barca is much more typical Euroleague elite level team like Real, Olympiacos, CSKA than Fener is. And would be more the kind of team that would for sure make NBA playoffs, because they know how to play real defense.
Okay, so Spanoulis could be intriguing. You just don't lead teams this many times to the EL Finals and win FMVP without being a good player.
So the question is--when is Vspan coming over to the NBA? What is his contract status?
[QUOTE=fandarko]The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.
Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.
CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.
Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.
But Euroleague teams are right behind.[/QUOTE]
In a league where Goudeluck is a GREAT player:oldlol: :roll:
Wake up Bruh:eek:
Kentucky will mopped those Final Four teams:cheers:
[QUOTE=Euroleague][B]He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I].[/B] Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
You really didn't think this through, did you. If a 3ppg NBA bench warmer is the MJ of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I], what does that say about the level of competition over there? Your arguments have as many holes as swiss cheese.
[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:
Printezis = 22
Spanoulos = 3
Carried :coleman:
Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
The same Printezis would laugh at this.
Stats never tell the whole story.
Stats do not show that CSKA double/triple teamed Spanoulis the whole game, taking off defensive pressure, and allowing open looks for his teammates.
Stats do not show the confidence boost that Spanoulis gave to teammates and crowd, when he started hitting every single shot he took in the last 4 minutes. When the pressure was at max. When it mattered most.
Stats do not show the terror in the eyes of CSKA players, when Spanoulis started hitting those shots. They knew better than anyone else what was going to happen. Besides, it was the third time in the last 4 years that they lost to the same team, the same player, in the same way.
Watch the game, not the stats.
[QUOTE=Dr.J4ever]Okay, so Spanoulis could be intriguing. You just don't lead teams this many times to the EL Finals and win FMVP without being a good player.
So the question is--when is Vspan coming over to the NBA? What is his contract status?[/QUOTE]
Nah, he is not coming.
Too old now. And even if he was not, after the terrible experience at Houston (but also for his own faults), he would never try it again.
the nba is my favorite league but living in spain i watch plenty of EL.
if youre a basket fan you should try the same, its much funner than trolling, unless youre mostly an internet fan and basketball is just a mean for social interactiob you otherwise lack in day to day.
theres 3-4 teams every year in europe that could make the PO in the NBA, providing they could automatically adapt to the difference in rules there is no question about it, one could even make it as 8th in the west. Every team in the top 16 in EL has a Spurs mentality, thats why Spurs get called european, said system doesnt rely on individual talent but basketball execution. Spurs beat Miami everyone forgot suddenly?
after that there is a quality step. Theres about 10 teams in the nba that would have notable winning records if they played against EL sides, rarelly losing and most definetely dominating the opposition.
EL teams might not have the talent but talent doesnt win championships. And Im not talking about PO teams in the nba, those are the best teams in the world, but theres plenty of EL sides that would make it in this year's east no question.
ncaa and dleague comparisons are out
of the equation. It wasnt long ago Barcelona beat Lakers, albeit in a friendly, but no college kids would accomplish anything remotely close.
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[QUOTE=fandarko]You clearly don't have a clue, any debate is pointless.
Like I said, it's a completely different game.
You should ask any US player who plays there how hard it is to score the ball.
How complicated it is to get minutes.
A child would say "Harden would average 30 there".
But Harden wouldn't play more than 27-28 minutes in a top Euroleague team.
He would have to play defense.
He wouldn't get nearly as many touches.
He would have to rely more on his outside scoring, forget about driving to the basket as much as he does.
Forget about having the green light to shoot it every time you want.
It's team first.
Granted, the top 20-40 players would be equally successful (thought their numbers would probably be slightly down).
But for everybody else - it would be a complicated process to adjust, if ever.
[B]Because IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME.[/B][/QUOTE]
One where people who can't make it in the NBA go to become superstars
[QUOTE=fandarko]Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.
He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.
The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.
The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.
It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.
I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.
It's like comparing oranges to apples.[/QUOTE]
yeah NBA stars had so much trouble under these international rules they only scored 129 points in that final against Serbia.129 points,in 40 minutes..let that sink in..
[QUOTE=Jon_Koncak]yeah NBA stars had so much trouble under these international rules they only scored 129 points in that final against Serbia.129 points,in 40 minutes..let that sink in..[/QUOTE]
First of all, you know very well that Serbia's team from last year did not have much in the way of Euroleague players.
Second, you also know that Team USA plays by NBA rules. That the refs call them under NBA rules, as has been done ever since the 2008 Olympics.
Team USA does not play under "FIBA rules" other than having a 10 minute quarter or the court dimensions. Those are basically meaningless, when they are allowed to play all the important rules (ball handling, defense rules, foul rules) under NBA rules.
I get it when NBA only fans say this kind of nonsense trolling. But when you say it, it's a bit ridiculous. There is no reason at all for you to even bring it up, or for you to be trolling like that. Never mind the fact that it has absolutely nothing at all to with the Euroleague or the NBA.
Especially since there isn't a single NBA team that could stay within 30 points of any Team USA selection. Yet, somehow these stupid comments come out like that means something, when Team USA would annihilate every NBA team. And with the addition that non USA teams from the FIBA World Cup were basically other than Spain or France, a lot weaker than a good Euroleague team. Serbia that you mention, of 2014, would be crushed by any of these 4 teams in Euroleague final four.
It's one thing this kind of ludicrous nonsense trolling from NBA only fans, but it's another thing coming from you, when you follow European basketball.
[QUOTE=dannywpt]:roll:
You really didn't think this through, did you. If a 3ppg NBA bench warmer is the MJ of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I], what does that say about the level of competition over there? Your arguments have as many holes as swiss cheese.[/QUOTE]
Can we have a response, Euroleague?
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Can we have a response, Euroleague?[/QUOTE]
No. Because he is trolling. I have already explained many times here why Spanoulis did not get playing time in Houston. And anyone that has any basketball knowledge knows he can play in the NBA.
He's trolling. I'm not answering ridiculous trolls like that, because they are trying to derail the thread. If you are trying to also, then I will ignore you as well.
The Euroleague GOAT is one of the WOAT in the NBA. Case closed, Euroleague is like a poor man's NCAA at best.
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Ginobili and Rubio are Spanoulis stans :lol
Maybe there is something there after all...