Now that Alridge has signed with the Spurs, I think there's a good chance that the Raptors will be after Cory Joseph.
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Now that Alridge has signed with the Spurs, I think there's a good chance that the Raptors will be after Cory Joseph.
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Wow busy times..
So per NBA collective bargining as I recall.. minimum 13 but a league wide average of 14 players on the roster.
So just that I didnt miss any announcements:
[B]The Team[/B]
[U]In [/U]
1) Cory Joesph PG
2) Bismack Biyombo F/C
3) DeMarre Caroll SF / PF
4) Delon Wright PG / SG
[U]Still Under Contract[/U]
5) Lowry PG
6) Derozan SG
7) Ross SG / SF
8) Valancuinas C
9) Patterson PF
10) J. Johnson SF / PF
11) Caboclo PF / SF
12) Nogueira C
I think I have that correct meaning 2 more likely to be signed....
Then this is what I think is "known"
[U]Designated at D-League Contract[/U]
D Daniels PF
[U]Out Confirmed.[/U]
Amir Johnson PF / C Celtics
Lou William SG / PG Lakers
[U]No News[/U]
Landry Fields SF
Tyler Hansborough PF / C
Cedric Hayes PF / C
Best available at "cap space left" ????
1) Alan Anderson - SF / SG
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2) Luis Scola - PF
3) Darrell Arther - PF (Denver - perhaps a connection)
[QUOTE=Jballer]Wow busy times..
So per NBA collective bargining as I recall.. minimum 13 but a league wide average of 14 players on the roster.
So just that I didnt miss any announcements:
[B]The Team[/B]
[U]In [/U]
1) Cory Joesph PG
2) Bismack Biyombo F/C
3) DeMarre Caroll SF / PF
4) Delon Wright PG / SG
[U]Still Under Contract[/U]
5) Lowry PG
6) Derozan SG
7) Ross SG / SF
8) Valancuinas C
9) Patterson PF
10) J. Johnson SF / PF
11) Caboclo PF / SF
12) Nogueira C
I think I have that correct meaning 2 more likely to be signed....[/QUOTE]
Sorry I think that should read (going by memory):
Max 16 ~ with 2 Do not dress
League wide avg 14 on bench
13 minimum on bench
Therefore we should sign between 2 and 4 more total ...
But I think that also assume Caboclo/Nogueria will be classified as Did Not Dress or some such thing if they spend a lot of time on the D League team.
(unless as mentioned previous page D'AndreJ D League contract will count against the total as well ...)
Hmm this suggests 13 - 3 on two way rotations means 10
[COLOR="Red"]and 3 more players have to be signed.... ????[/COLOR]
Any capologist expert can confirm ??
So we went from
PG: Lowry / Vasquez
SG: Derozan / Lou
SF: Ross / James Johnson
PF: Amir Johnson / Patterson
C: Val / Psycho T
to
PG: Lowry/ Joseph/ Wright
SG: Derozan / Ross
SF: Carroll / James Johnson
PF: Patterson / Bebe (so far)
C: Val / Biyombo
Major upgrade defensively with both Vasquez and Lou leaving. Ross not starting will help a lot as well. Ross looks like he'll replace Lou as the new sixth man. Overall I like it, Masai has added players that want to play defence this year.
[QUOTE=kmart]
PG: Lowry/ Joseph/ Wright
SG: Derozan / Ross
SF: Carroll / James Johnson
PF: Patterson / Bebe (so far)
C: Val / Biyombo
Major upgrade defensively with both Vasquez and Lou leaving. Ross not starting will help a lot as well. Ross looks like he'll replace Lou as the new sixth man. Overall I like it, Masai has added players that want to play defence this year.[/QUOTE]
+1 ~ no disagreement.
Looks great on paper. I think the results will follow.
Question though - you have the same as I have (positions more clearly outlined)
<< no Bruno Cob in your line up?? NBDL totally??>>
[B]11 Players. [/B]
Need an expert opinion but "I think" the team needs
1) Minimum 2 more
2) 3 more players if expected to meet the collective bargaining average 14
3) If Bebe (in your ranking) qualifies for time in the NBDL then he can be one of "two players not dressed" if I understand CBA correctly so actually [B]4 more players[/B]
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Assuming we have 12 from Kmarts list with Bruno/Bebe included.
We need I think a minimum of [B]3 more[/B] so Bruno / Bebe qualify for DND or with the NBDL team.
12+3-2=13
If we have Bruno / Bebe / D'Andre on the big team we only need 2 more although 1 has to ride the pine (??)
12+2-2+1 (riding bench) = 13
Technically for margin I think we need 4 more depending on the DND - NBDL roster counts
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Is anyone better than me at the CBA math i.e. roster spots ?
Ignoring the salary cap issue I mean.
Including the salary cap hit we have something like $10Million for 3 - 4 players which should be 1 real player 1 role player - and a couple of summer team guys on minimums or something like that.
[QUOTE=Jballer]
<< no Bruno Cob in your line up?? NBDL totally??>>[/QUOTE]
I took things in the perspective of regular rotation. Bruno, Bebe, Daniels, and Powell are all guys I see splitting time between the regular roster and the D-League roster, with the occasional call up. Wright obviously has the chance to crack the regular rotation, but I don't see it until later on in the season.
Lou and Ross also take out their anger on twitter/instagram, etc... basically, I think they are too worried about what the public eye thinks of them.
Something was just off about the last year's Raptors squad. They were one of the best offences, but sometimes they couldn't score against a good defensive team. I remember when they got dominated at home against the Warriors, they couldn't muster any offence in their isolation type of basketball.
I felt that Lou had something to do with this with his play, rather than his two girlfriends. He is strictly a isolation type of player and I thought he was key to that type of culture. I also think that Lowry and Derozan being injured at different points in the season hurt the team as well.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Lou and Ross also take out their anger on twitter/instagram, etc... basically, I think they are too worried about what the public eye thinks of them.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, you'll see Ross posting rants all the time when things don't go his way.
Hopefully, he defends himself through his play rather than Instagram or Twitter this upcoming season.
As of right now, I see the main rotation as:
Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Patterson, JV as the starters.
Joseph, JJ, Ross (for now) and Biyombo as the primary backups. With Wright getting some minutes here and there as well.
Not exactly the strongest 9-10 man rotation.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]As of right now, I see the main rotation as:
Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Patterson, JV as the starters.
Joseph, JJ, Ross (for now) and Biyombo as the primary backups. With Wright getting some minutes here and there as well.
Not exactly the strongest 9-10 man rotation.[/QUOTE]
I think we will see a signing or trade for a PF soon. No way we go into the season with Patterson, JV, and Biyombo as our front court rotation.
As for Ross, I think stepping out of the starting rotation will be good for him. He will no longer have the task of guarding the opponents best player, which will be good for him.
We will have to see the summer league progress of Bebe and Wright as well. I'm hoping one of the young guys will step up this upcoming season.
Get Taj Gibson somehow.
Masai you can do this.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]As of right now, I see the main rotation as:
Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Patterson, JV as the starters.
Joseph, JJ, Ross (for now) and Biyombo as the primary backups. With Wright getting some minutes here and there as well.
Not exactly the strongest 9-10 man rotation.[/QUOTE]
Good post mighty Q.:cheers:
A "combative" starting 5 - 9.
Defensively hanging in there; keeping games close.
Not exactly a threat to take a run offensively unless
(1) Derozan is un-injured all season and can be counted on for 20pts + a nite
(2) Klow as above except more assists less points i.e 15/10
(3) JV grows and starts pumping out double doubles every nite...i.e. 12 points 10 rebounds
(4) TRoss finds consistency
(5) Patterson finds consistency
This team"with the defensive focus" is not as talented on paper as last years version... i.e. missing Lou / Vasquez who were creative ; Amir who was consistent.
However I am far from 'discontent'. This line up in the Eastern Conference ...if it plays with consistency.. should be good for 44 wins.
Not really a step backwards if it will grind out any playoff experience and take it to round 2.
Let's see...
PG: Kyle Lowry/Cory Joseph/Delon Wright
SG: DeMar DeRozan/Terrence Ross/Norman Powell
SF: DeMarre Carroll/James Johnson/Bruno Caboclo/DeAndre Daniels
PF: Patrick Patterson/Luis Scola
C: Jonas Valanciunas/Bismack Biyombo/Lucas Nogueira
Unless there's a trade on the way (Masai has said it's unlikely that he will keep all 4 1st round picks for the next 2 years), that's going to be 15 man roster. I expect a lot of small ball this season after the success of the Warriors.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Let's see...
PG: Kyle Lowry/Cory Joseph/Delon Wright
SG: DeMar DeRozan/Terrence Ross/[B]Norman Powell[/B]
SF: DeMarre Carroll/James Johnson/Bruno Caboclo/[B]DeAndre Daniels[/B]
PF: Patrick Patterson/Luis Scola
C: Jonas Valanciunas/Bismack Biyombo/Lucas Nogueira
Unless there's a trade on the way (Masai has said it's unlikely that he will keep all 4 1st round picks for the next 2 years), that's going to be 15 man roster. I expect a lot of small ball this season after the success of the Warriors.[/QUOTE]
No guarantees that Powell and Daniels are on the roster. Masai could easily send them to the D-League or Europe for a year until he feels they are NBA ready, like he did with Daniels last year. I could see him trying to do that considering the lack of depth upfront.
[QUOTE=kmart]No guarantees that Powell and Daniels are on the roster. Masai could easily send them to the D-League or Europe for a year until he feels they are NBA ready, like he did with Daniels last year. I could see him trying to do that considering the lack of depth upfront.[/QUOTE]
After watching Powell play, he'll most likely be on the roster.
[QUOTE=kmart]After watching Powell play, he'll most likely be on the roster.[/QUOTE]
I knew he would be there just off the footage I've seen from him. He's god with and without the ball, just needs to improve his shot more. It also sucks that DeAndre Daniels ended up suffering a Jones fracture. That pretty much all but guarantees Powell's spot, unconventionally.
Also, liked what I saw from Bruno, Delon, Bebe, and Roberts (maybe he'll be the Hassan Whiteside gem Masai doesn't let go off ??).
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]I knew he would be there just off the footage I've seen from him. He's god with and without the ball, just needs to improve his shot more. It also sucks that DeAndre Daniels ended up suffering a Jones fracture. That pretty much all but guarantees Powell's spot, unconventionally.
Also, liked what I saw from Bruno, Delon, Bebe, and Roberts (maybe he'll be the Hassan Whiteside gem Masai doesn't let go off ??).[/QUOTE]
Powell needs to work on his shot which is an obvious, but also his court vision as well. He always drives in a straight line and is unable to find wide open teamates on the court. I love the athlethism ,aggressiveness and passion he plays with, but offensively he can be much better.
Delon Wright had an excellent game has well, he is probably the opposite of Powell in terms of court awareness. Delon was picking apart the Kings D, managing to get 9 assists and no turnovers. Similar to Powell though, he still needs shot improvement.
I thought Bruno has made excellent strides since his tough summer league last year. He's still raw, but the improvement is a good thing. He'll need to improve on strength and ball handling, as well as being more consistent on the defensive end.
David Pick @IAmDPick 35m35 minutes ago
Toronto Raptors finalizing a partial-guaranteed deal with forward Ronald Roberts, a source said.
Summer league player who put up big numbers, especially in the rebounding department.
[QUOTE=kmart]David Pick @IAmDPick 35m35 minutes ago
Toronto Raptors finalizing a partial-guaranteed deal with forward Ronald Roberts, a source said.
Summer league player who put up big numbers, especially in the rebounding department.[/QUOTE]
They need a 3rd PF as well. Masai probably also doesn't want another potential Hassan Whiteside to slip under him.
Along with Powell and Wright, they should round up the final 15 man roster.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]They need a 3rd PF as well. Masai probably also doesn't want another potential Hassan Whiteside to slip under him.
Along with Powell and Wright, they should round up the final 15 man roster.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a partial guaranteed contract, so look for him to compete with 2-3 other players for his spot.
In other news, the Raptors coaching staff is now complete.
[url]http://www.raptorshq.com/2015/7/12/8942467/raptors-complete-coaching-staff-reconfiguration-with-hiring-of-andy[/url]
[QUOTE]Toronto has hired Andy Greer as assistant coach, league source tells Yahoo. He'll run Raptors defense, a Thibodeau/Van Gundy disciple.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Remodel of Casey's staff appears complete. In: Greer/Kalamian/Stackhouse. Holdovers: Nurse/Mahlalela. Mermuys to DLeague. Out: Bayno/Sterner[/QUOTE]
Defense was the entire theme this off season. Top 10 defense next year at the very least.
Marc Stein on TSN today
- He thinks Scola is a steal at 3 million a year.
- Eyebrows raised on Cory Joseph signing. Will have to wait and see with more playing time.
- He thinks the East is pretty much over with Cleveland. He's intrigued by the Bucks this upcoming season.
- He thinks Valancuinas will get a contract close to what Kanter will get. Someone will pay Valancuinas next summer.
- T Ross is tradable, if they want to move him. They won't get a good return for him though.
EDIT link:
[url]http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/stein-valanciunas-and-ross-are-tradeable-assets-1.330771[/url]
[QUOTE=kmart]Marc Stein on TSN today
- He thinks Scola is a steal at 3 million a year.
[B]He was pretty much all they had left in the FA market, but I like the Scola signing anyways.[/B]
- Eyebrows raised on Cory Joseph signing. Will have to wait and see with more playing time.
[B]It will be interesting to see how he and Delon will play into the rotation, seemed like a move to just get a Canadian. Hope he improves his range.[/B]
- He thinks the East is pretty much over with Cleveland. He's intrigued by the Bucks this upcoming season.
[B]He's right. The East is horseshit outside of Cleveland; legit nobody is a serious threat outside of Cleveland. We don't even know how well Cleveland would hold up if they were in the West. Not buying Milwaukee's hype just yet.[/B]
- He thinks Valancuinas will get a contract close to what Kanter will get. Someone will pay Valancuinas next summer.
[B]Valanciunas is a RFA. Raptors will match every offer and they will.[/B]
- T Ross is tradable, if they want to move him. They won't get a good return for him though.
[B]Ross isn't going anywhere, Masai even said so in another interview. Ross will try to replace Lou Williams as the main scorer off the bench.[/B]
EDIT link:
[url]http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/stein-valanciunas-and-ross-are-tradeable-assets-1.330771[/url][/QUOTE]
My thoughts in the bold.
[B]Raptors sign Norman Powell[/B]
[url]http://www.nba.com/raptors/press-releases/powell-071515[/url]
[QUOTE]The Toronto Raptors announced Wednesday they have signed guard Norman Powell. Per team policy, financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Powell, 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, was selected 46th overall by Toronto in the 2015 NBA Draft. Through three Summer League games in Las Vegas he leads the Raptors averaging 19.3 points and is shooting 22-for-37 (.595) from the field. Powell has led the team in scoring in all three Summer League games, including a team-high 20 points during his professional debut
July 10 vs. Sacramento.
Powell appeared in 141 games over four seasons at UCLA and averaged a career-high 16.4 points during the 2014-15 campaign. He ranks 28th on the Bruins
I guess Powell > Alan Andersen.
Good enough... kid deserves a chance.
[url]http://www.nba.com/2015/news/powerrankings/07/27/summer2015/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3c[/url]
Raptors ranked 12th.
[QUOTE]Toronto*(49-33)*
Pace:*95.4 (20)*OffRtg:*108.1 (3)*DefRtg:*104.8 (23)*NetRtg:*+3.2 (10)
Key addition(s):*DeMarre Carroll, Cory Joseph, Luis Scola*
Key question:*Does Jonas Valanciunas fit on this team, in this league?*
Getting swept in the playoffs overshadowed that this was a strong team last season, but Dwane Casey wants to get back to playing top-10 defense. The addition of Carroll will obviously help in that regard, but if Valanciunas and his slow feet continue to be a liability on that end of the floor, he won't be seeing much fourth-quarter playing time.[/QUOTE]
Recent picture with Lowry, really slimmed down.
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Raptors sign Shannon Scott from OSU on a partially guaranteed deal. My guess is that he'll be cut and sent to Raptors' 905.
According to Lithuania reports, Valancuinas is flying to Toronto to sign a long term deal. He recently tweaked his groin in international play.
[QUOTE=kmart]According to Lithuania reports, Valancuinas is flying to Toronto to sign a long term deal. He recently tweaked his groin in international play.[/QUOTE]
Played it safe, good on him.
Could have commanded a max contract if he significantly improved.
He would've gained a max contract on the open market, only thing stopping the max contract would be injuries. Kanter got the max and I'd say Val is better than Kanter.
Slow news days are slow. At least pre season is about 6 weeks away.
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There was plenty to take in at Media Day[/URL]....
* Key free-agent acquisition Carroll said he’s spent the past few weeks in Toronto, working out with new teammates & exploring the city. Speaking about the excitement he’s seen from Raptors fans, he promised to bring the “[I]grit & grind[/I]” to Toronto. After playing in one of the NBA’s best offences with the Atlanta Hawks last season, Carroll wants to show his teammates that unselfish play results in success for everyone involved.
“[I]Once you see it, you see the success in it, it kind of takes you by storm[/I],” Carroll said. “J[I]ust like an average individual, you might go do something & it might not work, but if you see success in it, you keep doing it. I think once you see success in it, it makes you want to do it even more[/I].
“[I]Passing up a good shot for a great shot[/I],” he continued. “[I]I think if I can kind of bring that over here too, teach guys that every shot you get that’s a good shot, you can always pass up for a great shot.[/I]”
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* “[I]Luis is the best[/I],” Lowry said. “[I]He's my guy. He's been a friend now for years, I played with him 3 & a half years in Houston, & when I seen that signing, I actually really smiled & I was excited to get back here. I know his family, his kids, I look forward to seeing him now[/I].”
* “[I](Scola) is spectacular[/I],” Ujiri said. “[I]When we spoke to teams that have had him, the one thing (that kept coming up) was you can’t keep him out of the gym. He keeps coming & practice & practice and working out. He’s just that kind of guy. He’s built that way. He’s made himself very durable for a long time. He’s going to add to us. Super person. Super family. We’re excited to have him[/I].”
* “[I](new additions) come from winning programs,[/I]” Ujiri said. “[I]They’ve won where they’ve been. They understand how to create a culture of winning basketball. Being around these guys these last few weeks has been so impressive, just the way they carry themselves on the court, around their teammates, even the people who work here. They’ve been phenomenal for us. We’re excited to add those guys.[/I]”
“[I]I know they’ll bring more than basketball on the court, especially guys like Scola & Cory[/I],” Continued. “[I]I couldn’t believe it. They played on [a] Saturday in Mexico [for FIBA Americas]. & they were in here on Monday w/lifting. It says a lot about them. DeMarre has been here the last couple of weeks [as well]. It’s impressive. Hopefully all of those good traits translate to the court & win[/I].”
* “[I]Kyle put his nose to the grind & did that all himself[/I],” Casey said. “[I]He’s the one who had his own trainer. He had his own regimen that he went through this summer that most of our guys probably couldn’t make it through. He ran the hills in Vegas, he did a lot of stuff that he did on his own. & my hat is off to him for doing that because he could’ve relaxed & took the summer off but he didn’t. He knew what he had to do & he did it[/I].”
* “[I]It's a new day, a new year, media day[/I],” Lowry said. “[I]It's a new training camp, now we've got to do something with it[/I].”
* “[I]First & foremost we’ve got to think defensively[/I],” Carroll said. “[I]We’ll start there[/I]."
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[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25320304/raptors-dwane-casey-its-time-for-jonas-valanciunas-to-play-in-fourth-quarter"]Jonas Valanciunas appeared in 80 games for Toronto last season[/URL], & in 23 of them, he sat out for the entire 4th quarter. In the other 57, he averaged 5.1 minutes in the final frame, compared to 7.8 for Lowry & 7.0 for DeRozan.
Valanciunas' continual end-of-game absences have been routine throughout his first 3 years, but they were a bigger topic of discussion last season as he developed into one of the league's most efficient post scorers. Dwane Casey knew that some people wished things would change, & he brought the subject up unprompted on Monday.
"[I]There's been a lot made about JV finishing games[/I]," Casey said. "[I]Well, he's getting to the point of his career, w/the experience, that he should be able to do that. I noticed they didn't use him as much in Europe at the end of games, but we plan to use him, especially offensively, down the stretch[/I].
"[I]Father time is a great teacher & developer of those kind of situations[/I]," Casey added.
If Casey is to sit Valanciunas, there's no longer a veteran safety net.
Biyombo is the backup center, & Toronto's troupe of power forwards -- Patterson, Scola & Bennett -- don't have the size to easily shift up a position.
For Valanciunas, this is a chance for a true breakout. He's made progress in each of his 3 years, but has never averaged more than the 28.2 minutes he did in 2013-14. Toronto will be looking for him to become more mobile on defense, protect the paint & avoid foul trouble. He said that he's ready & in shape to play a lot of minutes, especially after a strong showing at EuroBasket for the silver medal-winning Lithuanian team. It's his time now. [/QUOTE]