#1 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops - 2015 Edition

Bill Russell

I tried this and it failed. Not enough people take it serious and then people get upset with the choices.

With that said, #1 - Michael Jordan

[QUOTE=DaSeba5]I tried this and it failed. Not enough people take it serious and then people get upset with the choices.[/QUOTE]
The history of a life, whatever else it may be, is a history of failure. -- Sartre
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Michael B. Jordan

Jordan.

Kobe 2nd.

But this is obvious and not much of a debate.

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]Jordan.

Kobe 2nd.

But this is obvious and not much of a debate.[/QUOTE]


Quite a few spots between them, Justin


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[QUOTE=dubeta]Quite a few spots between them, Justin


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BS made up by nerds to push an agenda.

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]BS made up by nerds to push an agenda.[/QUOTE]


A ranking that has Jordan LeBron and Shaq as top 3 is BS with an agenda?? :lol :roll: :roll:


Its MUCH better than just ranking players simply by rings (ie Horry > Kobe)

[QUOTE=dubeta]A ranking that has Jordan LeBron and Shaq as top 3 is BS with an agenda?? :lol :roll: :roll:


Its MUCH better than just ranking players simply by rings (ie Horry > Kobe)[/QUOTE]

Name the top ten using your geeky formula.

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]Name the top ten using your geeky formula.[/QUOTE]


Ranked by PER ([I]only criteria, needs to have at least 1 MVP and championship)[/I]


1. Jordan

2. LeBron

3. Shaq

4. David Robinson

5.Wilt Chamberlain

6. Kareem

7. Duncan

8. Magic

9. Hakeem

10. Bird





Not bad :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=dubeta]Ranked by PER ([I]only criteria, needs to have at least 1 MVP and championship)[/I]


1. Jordan

2. LeBron

3. Shaq

4. David Robinson

5.Wilt Chamberlain

6. Kareem

7. Duncan

8. Magic

9. Hakeem

10. Bird





Not bad :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Take away your added criteria.

[QUOTE=dubeta]Ranked by PER ([I]only criteria, needs to have at least 1 MVP and championship)[/I]


1. Jordan

2. LeBron

3. Shaq

4. David Robinson

5.Wilt Chamberlain

6. Kareem

7. Duncan

8. Magic

9. Hakeem

10. Bird





Not bad :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


Now explain how David Robinson is better than Magic , Bird and Hakeem you stupid piece of shit.

Eddie Jones

Changing my vote to Austin Rivers.

Chris Duhon

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]5000 isnt even that many

its to avoid alt accounts[/QUOTE]

For YOU that is more than 2 post a day. I'd consider that a pretty big number.

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Now explain how David Robinson is better than Magic , Bird and Hakeem you stupid piece of shit.[/QUOTE]

Because it's regular season PER and he is one of the goat all-around impact players of all time :confusedshrug: and he came into the league in his athletic prime, so he doesn't have any seasons when he was young and still trying to improve to an all-star level. That's why we should look at other criteria as well, like playoff performance and career context.

When one player consistently shows up weaker in advanced stats than the people he's compared with, it probably means something.

clearly Kobe Bryant

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el][B]Because it's regular season PER and he is one of the goat all-around impact players of all time[/B] :confusedshrug: and he came into the league in his athletic prime, so he doesn't have any seasons when he was young and still trying to improve to an all-star level. That's why we should look at other criteria as well, like playoff performance and career context.

When one player consistently shows up weaker in advanced stats than the people he's compared with, it probably means something.[/QUOTE]

Who's not better than half the players he's ahead of? Fucc outta here with that.

What does this kind of shit even mean? IF you're referring to Kobe, PER was invented specifically to undermine Kobe's impact and prop up Lebron. Before Hollinger started pushing that agenda , no one gave two shits about PER.

It comes down to what happened in the game , not hypotheticals and formulas.


David Robinson is not better than Hakeem, Bird or Magic , definitely not better than Kobe. But i'll enjoy watching you try to argue as much.

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Who's not better half the players level he's ahead of? Fucc outta here with that shit.

[/QUOTE]


I know Kobe fans are not intelligent at all, but let me try


Forget about stats




You've never wondered why...


Kobe missed the playoffs once Shaq left? Why Kobe kept losing in the 1st round without Gasol? Why Kobe couldnt make the playoffs with Dwight and Nash? Why the Lakers won in 2000 with Kobe averaging 15 ppg, and won again in 2010 with Kobe shooting 6/24?

You've never taken the time to wonder all this have you?


Advanced stats do greatly tell us player impact, especially over the course of an entire career




Kobe's advanced stats greatly match up with his impact (or lack thereof) throughout his career, where his teams were largely the same or better even with him underperforming.

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]David Robinson is not better than Hakeem, Bird or Magic , definitely not better than Kobe. But i'll enjoy watching you try to argue as much.[/QUOTE]If we're talking about the regular season? He's better than all of them.

[QUOTE=Young X]If we're talking about the regular season? He's better than all of them.[/QUOTE]

The thread title says All-time. :confusedshrug:

Not who was the best regular season player. In which case either way it's Jordan.

It's as simple as this , if stats and numbers were all there was to the game, Wilt and not Jordan would be considered GOAT. But alas here we are.

[QUOTE=dubeta]I know Kobe fans are not intelligent at all, but let me try


Forget about stats




You've never wondered why...


Kobe missed the playoffs once Shaq left? Why Kobe kept losing in the 1st round without Gasol? Why Kobe couldnt make the playoffs with Dwight and Nash? Why the Lakers won in 2000 with Kobe averaging 15 ppg, and won again in 2010 with Kobe shooting 6/24?

You've never taken the time to wonder all this have you?


Advanced stats do greatly tell us player impact, especially over the course of an entire career




Kobe's advanced stats greatly match up with his impact (or lack thereof) throughout his career, where his teams were largely the same or better even with him underperforming.[/QUOTE]


Same or better without him huh? That's why Shaq couldn't win anything with Eddie or Nick before Kobe became a legit second option and defensive stud. That's why in 2013 when he went down with an Achilles injury, a Team still consisting of Steve Nash, Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol as starting options lost all hope of getting past the first round that Kobe single handedly willed them to.


So are you retarded or just a retard? Which one? :biggums:

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Changing my vote to Austin Rivers.[/QUOTE]


since i cant find your original vote. i'l let that slide

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Lol, this thread is so pointless. Did OP really expect Jordan not to win?[/QUOTE]

OP actually thought people respect him, this thread or this whole idea :oldlol:
And sad Cold soul like "God that blows" :roll: zero clue on what's going on

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Who's not better than half the players he's ahead of? Fucc outta here with that.

What does this kind of shit even mean? IF you're referring to Kobe, [B]PER was invented specifically to undermine Kobe's impact and prop up Lebron.[/B] Before Hollinger started pushing that agenda , no one gave two shits about PER.

It comes down to what happened in the game , not hypotheticals and formulas.


David Robinson is not better than Hakeem, Bird or Magic , definitely not better than Kobe. But i'll enjoy watching you try to argue as much.[/QUOTE]

EL-MAO


:party: :hammertime: :yaohappy:

Apparently every single NBA analyst who ever created an advanced stat, made sure it calculated in a way to specifically shit on Kobe while Propping up LeBron :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Lol, this thread is so pointless. Did OP really expect Jordan not to win?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]OP actually thought people respect him, this thread or this whole idea :oldlol:
And sad Cold soul like "God that blows" :roll: zero clue on what's going on[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]notice the 3 r*tarded alt spamming trolls with less than 5000 posts all made votes to try and ruin everything


see... this is why theyre not invited to participate



[SIZE="5"]i vote michael jordan[/SIZE] btw[/QUOTE]




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[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/33zft55.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

He also posts more than you per day. Now that's a ****in PER stat for that ass.

MJ

[QUOTE=dubeta]Apparently every single NBA analyst who ever created an advanced stat, made sure it calculated in a way to specifically shit on Kobe while Propping up LeBron :lol[/QUOTE]


Career per


1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
[SIZE="5"]2. George Mikan* 28.51[/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"]3. LeBron James 27.43[/SIZE]
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
[SIZE="5"]6. Chris Paul 25.16[/SIZE]
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
[SIZE="5"]8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.98
11. Tracy McGrady 23.40[/SIZE]
12. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
[SIZE="5"]13. Dwight Howard 23.13[/SIZE]
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
[SIZE="5"]16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75[/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"]19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75[/SIZE]
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
[SIZE="5"]22. Kobe Bryant 22.40[/SIZE]
23. Stephen Curry 22.24
24. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.08
[SIZE="5"]25. Julius Erving* 22.05[/SIZE]
26. Blake Griffin 22.01
[SIZE="5"]27. Elgin Baylor* 21.83[/SIZE]
28. Rick Barry* 21.81
[SIZE="5"]29. Moses Malone* 21.57
30. Larry Bird* 21.41[/SIZE]
31. Baron Davis 21.36
32. Allen Iverson 21.24
33. George Gervin* 21.16
[SIZE="5"]34. Karl Malone* 21.12
35. Kevin Garnett 21.12
36. Oscar Robertson* 20.99[/SIZE]
37. James Harden 20.98
38. Bob Lanier* 20.81
39. Pau Gasol 20.73
40. George Yardley* 20.72
41. Cliff Hagan* 20.62
42. Shawn Kemp 20.55
43. Gus Williams 20.37
44. Artis Gilmore* 20.36
45. Paul Arizin* 20.33
46. Dan Issel* 20.07
47. Carmelo Anthony 19.94
48. Alex English* 19.92
49. Walter Davis 19.91
[SIZE="5"]50. John Stockton* 19.84[/SIZE]
51. Walt Frazier* 19.84
52. Steve Nash 19.84
[SIZE="5"]53. Isiah Thomas* 19.80[/SIZE]
54. Manu Ginobili 19.79
55. Anfernee Hardaway 19.76
56. George McGinnis 19.73
57. Clyde Lovellette* 19.72
58. Clyde Drexler* 19.71
[SIZE="5"]59. Patrick Ewing* 19.63[/SIZE]
60. Reggie Miller* 19.55
[SIZE="5"]61. Bill Russell* 19.40[/SIZE]
62. Kevin McHale* 19.36
63. Adrian Dantley* 19.33
64. Billy Cunningham* 19.33
65. Alonzo Mourning* 19.18
66. Deron Williams 19.15
67. Chauncey Billups 19.11
68. Kevin Johnson 19.08
69. Elvin Hayes* 19.08
70. Larry Foust 19.08
71. Marques Johnson 19.06
72. Willie Wise 19.03
73. Marc Gasol 18.97
74. Roger Brown* 18.90
75. Chris Webber 18.87
76. Derrick Rose 18.80
77. Jimmy Jones 18.80
78. Brad Daugherty 18.73
79. Fred Brown 18.71
[SIZE="5"]80. Dominique Wilkins* 18.71[/SIZE]
81. Mack Calvin 18.67
82. Vince Carter 18.60
83. Bob McAdoo* 18.54
84. Zelmo Beaty 18.50
85. Mel Daniels* 18.48
86. Rajon Rondo 18.43
87. Chris Bosh 18.42
88. Rik Smits 18.40
[SIZE="5"]89. Scottie Pippen* 18.35
90. James Worthy* 18.31[/SIZE]
91. Kawhi Leonard 18.26
92. Red Robbins 18.19
93. Larry Nance 18.13
94. Terry Cummings 18.07
95. Paul Millsap 18.06
96. Andrew Bynum 18.02
97. Mark Aguirre 17.99
98. Dikembe Mutombo* 17.79
[SIZE="5"]99. Willis Reed* 17.78[/SIZE]
100. Tom Heinsohn* 17.65
101. Roy Hibbert 17.58
102. Zach Randolph 17.57
103. Paul Pierce 17.53
[SIZE="5"]104. John Havlicek* 17.51
105. Sam Jones* 17.50
106. Bob Cousy* 17.39[/SIZE]
107. Carlos Boozer 17.36
108. Alvan Adams 17.33
109. Rod Strickland 17.23
110. Josh Smith 17.19
111. Mark Price 17.17
112. Gail Goodrich* 17.17
[SIZE="5"]113. Jason Kidd 17.10[/SIZE]
114. Bob Netolicky 17.08
[SIZE="5"]115. Bill Sharman* 17.07[/SIZE]








NOPE

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Who's not better than half the players he's ahead of? Fucc outta here with that.

What does this kind of shit even mean? IF you're referring to Kobe, PER was invented specifically to undermine Kobe's impact and prop up Lebron. Before Hollinger started pushing that agenda , no one gave two shits about PER.

It comes down to what happened in the game , not hypotheticals and formulas.


David Robinson is not better than Hakeem, Bird or Magic , definitely not better than Kobe. But i'll enjoy watching you try to argue as much.[/QUOTE]

1. He's definitely on the same tier as those guys.

2. Career PER overrated him because he came into the league at 23.

PER wasn't invented to knock down Kobe:rolleyes: that's some paranoid shit.

I'd take DRob over Kobe if I was starting a team. He's definitely a top-20 player, so I don't think it devalues PER to see him in the top-10, especially when you take into account him coming into the league in his athletic prime.


One bad series against Hakeem and DRob gets infinite disrespect:facepalm

Kenny always cherry pickin :lol

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]

PER wasn't invented to knock down Kobe:rolleyes: that's some paranoid shit.

[/QUOTE]

Legit laughed out loud when I read that, dude actually believes that Hollinger specifically created a stat to downplay one player. :roll:

Gordan Giricek.

We completely destroyed PER.

Never bring it up again.

Mr. Miyagi.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Legit laughed out loud when I read that, dude actually believes that Hollinger specifically created a stat to downplay one player. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Bro, Hollinger, Abbot, Habberstrough, Amin etc.

That tight little crew over at ESPN True Hoop are all infamous Kobe haters and they've spearheaded the stat geek era.

Ya ni99as is cupcakes for putting so much stock into that shit. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=HOoopCityJones]Bro, Hollinger, Abbot, Habberstrough, Amin etc.

That tight little crew over at ESPN True Hoop are all infamous Kobe haters and they've spearheaded the stat geek era.

Ya ni99as is cupcakes for putting so much stock into that shit. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Bunch of white nerds that are bent out of shape because Kobe is so alpha, intelligent, good looking, and great.