FFVII deserves to be on that list
the depth of that game, which came out almost 2 decades ago, is absolutely amazing for any game at that time. and the story is just as fulfilling
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FFVII deserves to be on that list
the depth of that game, which came out almost 2 decades ago, is absolutely amazing for any game at that time. and the story is just as fulfilling
[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Name a glaring flaw in Halo CE[/QUOTE]
Boring. [COLOR="White"]I Kid... but seriously, **** Halo[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Ai2death]Boring. [COLOR="White"]I Kid... but seriously, **** Halo[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Halo actually requires skill to play
You must be very shit at it
You sound like the guy who'd prefer COD because you can just noob-tube people for easy kills
Either that or you have something against extremely popular, critically revered games
[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Halo actually requires skill to play
You must be very shit at it
You sound like the guy who'd prefer COD because you can just noob-tube people for easy kills
Either that or you have something against extremely popular, critically revered games[/QUOTE]
Fvck you hater
We all know Uncharted will win GOTY and be the greatest game of all time. It'll be a pop culture phenomenon that will make billions and bring an end to child starvation in Africa, almost like the orgasmic Le Last of Us, which was so emotional it made Jesus cry.
If you can't see that you're a stupid troll dipshit lol
Owned
P.S. GameRankings says I'm better than you!
No mention of Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow whatsoever? I could be 83 y/o and I'd still be enjoying the shit out of those 3.
[QUOTE=Shade8780]Fvck you hater
We all know Uncharted will win GOTY and be the greatest game of all time. It'll be a pop culture phenomenon that will make billions and bring an end to child starvation in Africa, almost like the orgasmic Le Last of Us, which was so emotional it made Jesus cry.
If you can't see that you're a stupid troll dipshit lol
Owned
P.S. GameRankings says I'm better than you![/QUOTE]
GameRankings does state TLOU & Uncharted 2 is better than any MGS title.
Well actually, it's the opinion of critics that have reviews the games. GameRanking simply aggregates their reviews into one score. :oldlol:
West-Side does state that Shade8780 is a douche bag.
[QUOTE=macmac]You must be 15[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=StephHamann]:roll:[/QUOTE]
Macmac is a cool dude, but his post was uncalled for.
That list the OP posted is legit. It doesn't make him 15.
I just hate how people try to shove these old games down my throat.
Since the PS3/360 inception, there were so many incredible games that simply are far more engaging than old ass Super Mario or Zelda or Baldur Gates.
I have all 3 on my top 20 list, most likely but its mostly because of nostalgia or memory. Its game I value because I spend so much time playing them. Just like I did with Ken Griffey Jr Winning Run on SNES.
However, I think it's pretty poor judgement to judge a person for putting all 10 games in his top 10 from 2008 to now.
There has certainly been a lot of epic games that are just as good as some of those older classics.
The problem becomes, relativity.
Games today are far more engaging and far more beautiful. You can get lost in the stories they tell. Super Mario could NEVER achieve that level of connection, yet I'll have a 56 year old nerd calling out my taste because I put RDR over Super Mario 3. *rolls eyes*
Resident Evil 4 is the game everyone ripped off.
TLoU is basically RE4 gameplay.
Same goes for Uncharted, Gears of War, and basically every 3rd person shooter today.
I played RE 4 on the PC this year for the first time since 2005 and it's still pretty amazing.
Good video:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpHwgOujcw[/url]
[QUOTE=StephHamann]Resident Evil 4 is the game everyone ripped off.
TLoU is basically RE4 gameplay.
Same goes for Uncharted, Gears of War, and basically every 3rd person shooter today.
I played RE 4 on the PC this year for the first time since 2005 and it's still pretty amazing.
Good video:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpHwgOujcw[/url][/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Wait...
What?
[QUOTE=West-Side]Macmac is a cool dude, but his post was uncalled for.
That list the OP posted is legit. It doesn't make him 15.
I just hate how people try to shove these old games down my throat.
Since the PS3/360 inception, there were so many incredible games that simply are far more engaging than old ass Super Mario or Zelda or Baldur Gates.
I have all 3 on my top 20 list, most likely but its mostly because of nostalgia or memory. Its game I value because I spend so much time playing them. Just like I did with Ken Griffey Jr Winning Run on SNES.
However, I think it's pretty poor judgement to judge a person for putting all 10 games in his top 10 from 2008 to now.
There has certainly been a lot of epic games that are just as good as some of those older classics.
The problem becomes, relativity.
Games today are far more engaging and far more beautiful. You can get lost in the stories they tell. Super Mario could NEVER achieve that level of connection, yet I'll have a 56 year old nerd calling out my taste because I put RDR over Super Mario 3. *rolls eyes*[/QUOTE]
Timeless games will age like wine. This is why Golden eye does not compare to the glory that is Halo CE.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]No mention of Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow whatsoever? I could be 83 y/o and I'd still be enjoying the shit out of those 3.[/QUOTE]
Good call. When a game doesnt really have to change much but is stl consistently good and a huge system seller you know they did something right.
Don't know if I posted this in here already but I played the ps4 store shit where you can play ps3 games and I liked where the story was headed at first, but then it just got too focused on some other shit. I ran out of the subscription to continue.
Last of Us isn't in the GOAT game discussion.
That top-10 list in the OP is a joke.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Last of Us isn't in the GOAT game discussion.
That top-10 list in the OP is a joke.[/QUOTE]
dis
Just finished playing through uncharted 2 again, still not sure why ps fanboys didn't choose to pump up that game instead of tlou. It does nearly everything better than tlou.
The more I read that list, the funnier it gets. 3 MGS titles? Mass Effect 2? Witcher 3? That list is the video game equivalent of NBA lists that pick LeBron or Kobe as the GOAT.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]The more I read that list, the funnier it gets. 3 MGS titles? Mass Effect 2? Witcher 3? That list is the video game equivalent of NBA lists that pick LeBron or Kobe as the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
eh it's not that funny it just makes it obvious the list was made by someone who's around 15 years old and either hasn't played older games or didn't play them when they were current.
You guys are really gonna judge someone's age by their favorite games? :oldlol: I'm 22.
****ing morons
[QUOTE=Heavincent]All legendary games with metacritic ratings in the mid 90's[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Using metcritic is retarded ESPECIALLY when talking about games that existed before the internet was big. There's numerous industry articles around about trying to get rid of metacritic as a resource because it's a cancer on the games industry.
Funny how people are attacking my character because of a silly list. Who's 15 here?
[QUOTE=Heavincent]You guys are really gonna judge someone's age by their favorite games? :oldlol: I'm 22.
****ing morons[/QUOTE]
When did I say anything about your age? I'm judging a horrible list for being a horrible list. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]When did I say anything about your age? I'm judging a horrible list for being a horrible list. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I don't understand. How can a subjective list of my personal favorite games be horrible? Are you telling me those aren't my favorite games?
Or are you implying that some of the games on the list are horrible?
[QUOTE=Heavincent]I don't understand. How can a subjective list of my personal favorite games be horrible?
Or are you implying that some of the games on the list are horrible?[/QUOTE]
The thread title states that Last of Us is the best game ever made, not your favourite. The list itself is titled "Top 10 GOAT." No one can really take issue with someone's favourite games as that is purely subjective, but calling a game like Last of Us the GOAT game is a statement that will create (and honestly deserves) criticism.
I don't think I'd call any of those games horrible, but there's not a game on that list that should make it onto a top 10 GOAT list. No Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)? No true PC games (DOOM, Half-Life, UT, Diablo, etc.)? Lack of the best Playstation titles (Original MGS, FFVII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.)?
Omitting these games/franchises, all of which either are or contain top 10 GOAT candidates really takes away from your list's credibility. Hence my comparison to a basketball list that features LeBron or Kobe at #1.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]The thread title states that Last of Us is the best game ever made, not your favourite. The list itself is titled "Top 10 GOAT." No one can really take issue with someone's favourite games as that is purely subjective, but calling a game like Last of Us the GOAT game is a statement that will create (and honestly deserves) criticism.
I don't think I'd call any of those games horrible, but there's not a game on that list that should make it onto a top 10 GOAT list. No Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)? No true PC games (DOOM, Half-Life, UT, Diablo, etc.)? Lack of the best Playstation titles (Original MGS, FFVII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.)?
Omitting these games/franchises, all of which either are or contain top 10 GOAT candidates really takes away from your list's credibility. Hence my comparison to a basketball list that features LeBron or Kobe at #1.[/QUOTE]
Those are the 10 best games to me. Simple as that.
Basketball is far more objective than an entertainment medium such as gaming.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Those are the 10 best games to me. Simple as that.
Basketball is far more objective than an entertainment medium such as gaming.[/QUOTE]
Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:
Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:
Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.[/QUOTE]
The reason to use top 10 goat and the thread heading is purely for a reaction imo
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:
Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.[/QUOTE]
And all of the games on my list were universally praised as all time greats within their respective genres :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Heavincent]And all of the games on my list were universally praised as all time greats within their respective genres :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Relative to recent or contemporary competition, some of them might be. All-time? Nope. Not even close. Even if we limit greatness only to their genres.
The list was enough to make it clear that you don't have anywhere near enough experience to have any credibility as far as evaluating games on an all-time scale, nothing that you're posting is doing anything to fix that.
I mean, shit, you've admitted that you have minimal experience on the two most important systems/brands when it comes to all-time great games in the PC and Nintendo, but you're still trying to argue your case? FOH. That's like a 12 year old who only watches LeBron trying to argue that Bron is the GOAT.
In fact, most of the games on my list were pioneers, except maybe Mass Effect 2, which just expanded on the first game.
TLOU - Widely regarded as the best storytelling ever seen in a game. Combines it with tense stealth action gameplay that perfectly compliments the narrative.
Red Dead Redemption - Hey, lets look at all the other great open world games set in the old west: ummmm.......
MGS V: Revolutionized stealth gameplay with the open world and how many ways to there are to tackle each mission.
Gears of War: Widely regarded as one of the best third person shooters ever. Revolutionized cover based shooters.
MGS 3: Widely regarded as the best game in one of the most iconic series in gaming (although I personally prefer V).
MGS 2: Insane meta narrative unlike anything ever seen in a game. Fun top down stealth gameplay.
Chaos Theory: Widely regarded as one of the best stealth games ever.
Crash 3: Widely regarded as one of, if not THE best platformer on the PS1.
People seem to be more mad about what isn't on my list rather than what is. It all comes down to genre preference.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Relative to recent or contemporary competition, some of them might be. All-time? Nope. Not even close. Even if we limit greatness only to their genres.[/QUOTE]
Ridiculous. Almost all of them are, as explained above.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]I mean, shit, you've admitted that you have minimal experience on the two most important systems/brands when it comes to all-time great games in the PC and Nintendo, but you're still trying to argue your case? FOH. That's like a 12 year old who only watches LeBron trying to argue that Bron is the GOAT.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I didn't own every system. PS1 was my shit when I was younger. I don't care to spend the money and time to go back and purchase every Nintendo system and build a gaming PC. I'm not gonna hate on someone's movie taste just because there are some classics they haven't seen.
And again with accusing me of being a teenager. Just because someone leans toward more modern games doesn't mean they're a teenager. Get off your high horse.
If you have only played (and have no interest in playing other previous games) a tiny section of games you aren't in a position to make a "top 10 GOAT list". Should have called it "My favourite 10 games".
[QUOTE=outbreak]If you have only played (and have no interest in playing other previous games) a tiny section of games you aren't in a position to make a "top 10 GOAT list". Should have called it "My favourite 10 games".[/QUOTE]
No shit...whatever list you or anyone else comes up with is just your favorite games. Every list is subjective and comes down to genre preferences.
I thought it was assumed that it was just my 10 favorite games...that's all anyone's list is because it's impossible to make a 100% objective list. A lot of it is apples and oranges anyway. Comparing a turn based RPG to a stealth game is asinine. It's like comparing a defensive lineman to a receiver. They do completely different things, so what's the point in comparing them?
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Ridiculous. Almost all of them are, as explained above.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Sorry I didn't own every system. PS1 was my shit when I was younger. I don't care to spend the money and time to go back and purchase every Nintendo system and build a gaming PC. I'm not gonna hate on someone's movie taste just because there are some classics they haven't seen.
And again with accusing me of being a teenager. Just because someone leans toward more modern games doesn't mean they're a teenager. Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
If you can just admit that you're ignorant on the subject then I'll leave it alone. All you need to try the majority of these games is a regular computer and an emulator, your excuses just aren't good enough if you want to be taken seriously. You're basically admitting that you have zero experience but simultaneously arguing that it shouldn't be held against you. Ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]In fact, most of the games on my list were pioneers, except maybe Mass Effect 2, which just expanded on the first game.
TLOU - Widely regarded as the best storytelling ever seen in a game. Combines it with tense stealth action gameplay that perfectly compliments the narrative.
Red Dead Redemption - Hey, lets look at all the other great open world games set in the old west: ummmm.......
MGS V: Revolutionized stealth gameplay with the open world and how many ways to there are to tackle each mission.
Gears of War: Widely regarded as one of the best third person shooters ever. Revolutionized cover based shooters.
MGS 3: Widely regarded as the best game in one of the most iconic series in gaming (although I personally prefer V).
MGS 2: Insane meta narrative unlike anything ever seen in a game. Fun top down stealth gameplay.
Chaos Theory: Widely regarded as one of the best stealth games ever.
Crash 3: Widely regarded as one of, if not THE best platformer on the PS1.
People seem to be more mad about what isn't on my list rather than what is. It all comes down to genre preference.[/QUOTE]
All you're doing is narrowing your definition of greatness bit by bit to fit each individual game. That you've had to do that at all is telling. You've had to compromise from top 10 GOAT to favourites to greatest in genres, but only in certain areas. The true GOAT-tier games don't have to compromise.
Yawn. If all you've got on that argument is storytelling (possibly the most subjective aspect of video games?) then you don't have much.
Wow, GTA in the Wild West. Really groundbreaking.
MGS 1 is the best game in that series. MGS V revolutionized nothing.
Gears of War is nowhere near the best shooter, majority of third person shooters are shit.
Thief >>>
I can't even write a response to the last one, just :roll:
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]:oldlol:
If you can just admit that you're ignorant on the subject then I'll leave it alone. All you need to try the majority of these games is a regular computer and an emulator, your excuses just aren't good enough if you want to be taken seriously. You're basically admitting that you have zero experience but simultaneously arguing that it shouldn't be held against you. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
First of all, I've played a lot of the classics mentioned like Half Life 2, Golden Eye and various Mario games (not long after they were released). Some of the other ones like Final Fantasy I just have little interest in.
Secondly, I'm not claiming to be some authority. Yes, I'll concede you are more knowledgeable of retro games. Happy? You're taking this shit too seriously just because he have different tastes.
[QUOTE]Wow, GTA in the Wild West. Really groundbreaking.[/QUOTE]
Okay, lets act like people weren't asking "how come there's never been a great game set in the old west?" before RDR came out.
[QUOTE]MGS 1 is the best game in that series. MGS V revolutionized nothing.[/QUOTE]
Show me all of the other open world stealth games of MGS V's quality.
[QUOTE]Gears of War is nowhere near the best shooter, majority of third person shooters are shit.[/QUOTE]
You contradicted yourself within two sentences. I agree third person shooters have gotten boring, Gears was one of the few that does it right.
[QUOTE]Thief >>>[/QUOTE]
Yes, another game that is regarded as one of the best in the stealth genre, along with Chaos Theory and the MGS games.
My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.
It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.
As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.
My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >
None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.
Heres my top 10 list for shits and gigs, not GOAT, just IMO. Let the flames begin!
In no order:
Red Dead Redemption
Uncharted 2
Suikoden 2
Pokemon Red/Blue
Conkers Bad Furday (Or maybe Perfect Dark)
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros. (Any, but tempted to go N64)
Skate
GTA: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
(Disclaimer: This is straight of the top of my head, no doubt i will remember/forget a couple in the coming weeks)
(Disclaimer Part 2: This is my opinion and not fact)
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.
It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.
As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.
My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >
None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.[/QUOTE]
I would just like to say that even though Assassins Creed is considered a stealth game, I rate it more like an action game. Hell, it had just as much stealth as Shadow of Mordor. Granted, i haven't played any of them since Black Flag.
[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.
It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.
As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.
My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >
None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.[/QUOTE]
Agree to disagree. I've said my piece.
Removed the "GOAT" part if it makes you feel any better.
[QUOTE=Ai2death]I would just like to say that even though Assassins Creed is considered a stealth game, I rate it more like an action game. Hell, it had just as much stealth as Shadow of Mordor. Granted, i haven't played any of them since Black Flag.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. AC has extremely basic and bare bones stealth. I've never really considered it a stealth series.