would chris paul have won the title in place of isiah thomas?

[QUOTE=Young X]He's definitely good enough to.

The Pistons didn't face one decent team in 1989 and they won with Thomas shooting 48 TS% in the playoffs.

CP3 is better than that version of Thomas at almost every facet of the game and is far more productive on the court.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. That was a very physical era and Zeke make his living taking it to the basket. He got beat up. He was already declining noticeably when they won their first title. He wasn't even a top 3 pg by then.

He had a very strong and very deep supporting cast.

[B]Things like these are always hard to say...

Zeke was a better overall scorer, better 1vs1 player, better/more handles to take his man off the dribble, better slasher/finisher... BUT you can say that CP3's a more complete player, call it... He's a better defensive player, you can claim that he takes better care of the ball while even being a slight better passer, he's a better shooter, more efficient... YET, he can't take over games like Isiah did, he's not close to the leader that Isiah was, Zeke was a cold blooded killer who raised his game when it mattered the most and simply better in the clutch than Chris, much tougher and more physical too... Some people overlook those sort of things but, then again, when you look at the whole picture, Thomas led his team to two rings while Paul has never made it past the Semifinals.

Plus, Isiah could be more impactful without holding on to the ball a whole lot... Chris wouldn't gel as well with those other Detroit's players.

Oh, and you see Paul flopping like a mf'er while in Isiah's day most little men like them didn't last that long... Dudes were getting slammed left and right, and it takes a toll when you're not a big dude.

So, imo, Chris Paul wouldn't have been quite as successful with those Pistons as Isiah Thomas was.

Go watch how Zeke was STILL killing Michael Cooper and the Lakers with a SEVERELY SPRAINED ANKLE in the 1988 Finals.
Go watch what Zeke did to Terry Porter and the Blazers in the 1990 Finals, one of the GOAT Finals performances.
CP3's one of my favorites right now and has one of the GOAT PG peaks but when the going got tough, Isiah was just a ****in assassin, ruthless player.
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[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Things like these are always hard to say...

Zeke was a better overall scorer, better 1vs1 player, better/more handles to take his man off the dribble, better slasher/finisher... BUT you can say that CP3's a more complete player, call it... He's a better defensive player, you can claim that he takes better care of the ball while even being a slight better passer, he's a better shooter, more efficient... YET, he can't take over games like Isiah did, he's not close to the leader that Isiah was, Zeke was a cold blooded killer who raised his game when it mattered the most and simply better in the clutch than Chris, much tougher and more physical too... Some people overlook those sort of things but, then again, when you look at the whole picture, Thomas led his team to two rings while Paul has never made it past the Semifinals.

Plus, Isiah could be more impactful without holding on to the ball a whole lot... Chris wouldn't gel as well with those other Detroit's players.

Oh, and you see Paul flopping like a mf'er while in Isiah's day most little men like them didn't last that long... Dudes were getting slammed left and right, and it takes a toll when you're not a big dude.

So, imo, Chris Paul wouldn't have been quite as successful with those Pistons as Isiah Thomas was.

Go watch how Zeke was STILL killing Michael Cooper and the Lakers with a SEVERELY SPRAINED ANKLE in the 1988 Finals.
Go watch what Zeke did to Terry Porter and the Blazers in the 1990 Finals, one of the GOAT Finals performances.
CP3's one of my favorites right now and has one of the GOAT PG peaks but when the going got tough, Isiah was just a ****in assassin, ruthless player.
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Agree with everything except that CP3 was better at breaking down set defenders. He had a more modern, complete offensive arsenal and is the GOAT at TO/ AST ratio. Living in LA most of my life, I didn't get to see him full time until he got here. I was shocked at how great the guy was. Before he lost a half step last year, he could get to anywhere on the court with his dribble. That is something only a few players could ever do.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]Agree with everything except that CP3 was better at breaking down set defenders. He had a more modern, complete offensive arsenal and is the GOAT at TO/ AST ratio. Living in LA most of my life, I didn't get to see him full time until he got here. I was shocked at how great the guy was. Before he lost a half step last year, he could get to anywhere on the court with his dribble. That is something only a few players could ever do.[/QUOTE]

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I'll just put it at this... You can definitely make a case for Chris being better at taking care of the ball, even having the edge in passing BUT Zeke had better "1on1 handles", better in iso situations.

And also gotta emphasize how Isiah LED those group of guys now known to everybody as the Bad Boys, Zeke was their heart and soul.[/B]

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]
I'll just put it at this... You can definitely make a case for Chris being better at taking care of the ball, even having the edge in passing BUT Zeke had better "1on1 handles", better in iso situations.

And also gotta emphasize how Isiah LED those group of guys now known to everybody as the Bad Boys, Zeke was their heart and soul.[/B][/QUOTE]

Both are GOAT level talents for 6'1" or shorter guys but while Zeke was more flashy, I think CP3 was just better in terms of skills and complete game. Of course, Zeke was a killer and clutch as hell and that carries huge weight but in terms of breaking down set defenders and creating something out of nothing, CP3 was GOAT level. I have seldom seen a guy this good on a play by play, game by game and season by season basis. He just maximized almost every possession. All he needs is a chip and he skyrockets up the all time great list.