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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Glad you're not buying into that crap. Wall Street is going to pay for your college tuition and pay the salaries of every employee of every college across the nation?? Who buys this crap?? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Mexico's gonna pay for my College tuition. :pimp:
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Mexico's gonna pay for my College tuition. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Speak of the Devil, Ford is building a plant in Mexico:
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ford-move-production-mexico-report-211300016.html[/url]
Once again, the United States stays losing. I have a feeling Ford is pulling for Bernie Sanders.
Vote Trump.
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[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Fox, the leftist, and republican good ole boys hate Trump. They can't stand that he's winning. Tells you something. You know they will do anything to derail him. Sad even people in his own party. I watched Fox and you could see how some of their people were trying to hide their anger..haha.[/QUOTE]
That's true. If lefties and fox news both hate you, chances are you're doing something right.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Bernie making crazy promises he can't possibly keep. Wall Street's gonna pay for your College. Him and the Donald are two peas in a pod.[/QUOTE]
Bernie promised the world and Trump said a lot without saying anything at all.
Both speeches were weird.
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What does Trump bring to the table? Fool does not even believe in climate change and grew up spoiled. Trump is not going to win presidency. Fox News and establishment will make sure of it.
edit: he does have hot daughters though and wife. He does bring that to the table.
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Watching Kasich and Rubio give victory speeches for coming in 2nd and 3rd is surreal.
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[QUOTE=bladefd]What does Trump bring to the table? Fool does not even believe in climate change and grew up spoiled. Trump is not going to win presidency. Fox News and establishment will make sure of it.
edit: he does have hot daughters though and wife. He does bring that to the table.[/QUOTE]
Trump doesn't give AF about climate change. He's only spitting out the anti climate change rhetoric to gain votes among conservatives and to appeal to the republican party. The same way he suddenly became "religious" to try and get the christian/evangelist vote, trump never touched the bible in his life and when people ask him about his favorite verse he says shit like they all are.
I'm pretty sure he's like this with every talking point. Immigration? I'm pretty sure this guy hired a shit ton of immigrants and even illegal immigrants back in the day but he's all of a sudden anti-immigrant to get the votes.
He'll say whatever to get any vote.
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[QUOTE=Nick Young]That's true. If lefties and fox news both hate you, chances are you're doing something right.[/QUOTE]
Fox and the neo-cons hate Trump because they know he'd smashed in a general election, turning the GOP into a laughingstock in the process.
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Watching Kasich and Rubio give victory speeches for coming in 2nd and 3rd is surreal.[/QUOTE]
Both were pretty well deserved I think. Rubio coming in within a percent of Trump in Iowa after the aggregated polling had them 13% apart.
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As an independent myself, I gained respect for Kasich. He seems like a very good human being with good intentions. He is the only Republican I would not mind.
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[QUOTE=Dave3]Both were pretty well deserved I think. Rubio coming in within a percent of Trump in Iowa after the aggregated polling had them 13% apart.[/QUOTE]
Victory speeches are only deserved in the event of a victory.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Bernie making crazy promises he can't possibly keep. Wall Street's gonna pay for your College. Him and the Donald are two peas in a pod.[/QUOTE]
He's planning on taxing the rich in general. It might not work, but we'll see. I read somewhere that economist think the plan is brilliant, but I dunno. That could be just one because I read others that say it's pretty crazy. I have to read up more on that. Here is Sanders tax plan in comparison to Trump and the current plan we're on right now:
The far left is the current law. The middle is Trump's plan. The far right is Sanders plan.
Income Levels
$0-$18,550~ 10% 0% 10%
$18,550-$75,300~ 15% 10% 15%
$75,300-$151,900~ 25% 10%/20% 25%
$151,900-$231,450~ 28% 20%/25% 28%
$231,450-$413,350~ 33% 25% 37%
$413,350-$466,950~ 35% 25% 37%
$466,960-$500,000~ 39.6% 25% 37%
$500,000-$2,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 48%
$10,000,000 – Howard Stern 39.6% 25% 52%
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/01/17/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-plan-nations-rich-recoil-in-horror/#3a4291707340[/url]
The rich is gonn'a get tax hard. I don't know that much economics to say whatever it's a good or bad thing. So, you guys tell me. I did read that Sanders tax plan is the highest it's been since the 80s. It was really high in the 40s-early 60s tho.
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According to this [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/republicans-new-hampshire-primary-219007[/url]
Clinton has 15 delegates and Sanders 13. Wtf?
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[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]Fox and the neo-cons hate Trump because they know he'd smashed in a general election, turning the GOP into a laughingstock in the process.[/QUOTE]
Trump is a entertaining mofo tho. The dude is a real WWE heel up there. He needs to steal Vince McMahon theme song.
NO CHANCE!
[QUOTE=FillJackson]According to this [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/republicans-new-hampshire-primary-219007[/url]
Clinton has 15 delegates and Sanders 13. Wtf?[/QUOTE]
It's 13 to 9 according to google. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NH only has 24 Delegates? That's 28 from what you describe.
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[QUOTE=Micku][B]The rich is gonn'a get tax hard. [/B]I don't know that much economics to say whatever it's a good or bad thing. So, you guys tell me. I did read that Sanders tax plan is the highest it's been since the 80s. It was really high in the 40s-early 60s tho.[/QUOTE]
You know what happens when you tax the rich too much? They leave and you get nothing.
You know what happens when you tax business too much? They leave, you get nothing and all the jobs go to some other country.
"Tax the people that can afford it" sounds workable in theory, but the reality is that people have other options. There are lots of nice places in the world to live or put your businesses headquarters.
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Taxing rich people ungodly amounts prevents other people from becoming rich.
And if the rich get taxed, how do I get that money? Does it go directly into my bank account?
I have a better idea! How about making it easier for me to become a rich person by lowering corporate taxes so that big companies stay in the U.S. and can afford to hire Americans!
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[QUOTE=Micku]It's 13 to 9 according to google. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NH only has 24 Delegates? That's 28 from what you describe.[/QUOTE]
This is what Politico is saying with the correct link.
New Hampshire
Presidential Primaries, February 9, 2016
Detailed Results
Democratic
81.3% Reporting
Delegates Allocated: 28/32
Delegates
Winner B. Sanders......59.9%.............13
H. Clinton ...............38.5%...............15
Perhaps they are counting superdelegates and Clinton won those?
Read more: [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-2016-democrats-218948#ixzz3zjoywPTl[/url]
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Yes, they are counting superdelegates
[I]
The delegate count includes delegates allocated during an election in addition to national party committee members and in the case of the Democratic Party, super delegates.[/I]
Read more: [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-2016-democrats-218948#ixzz3zjpWbyhz[/url]
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Taxing rich people ungodly amounts prevents other people from becoming rich.
And if the rich get taxed, how do I get that money? Does it go directly into my bank account?
I have a better idea! How about making it easier for me to become a rich person by lowering corporate taxes so that big companies stay in the U.S. and can afford to hire Americans![/QUOTE]
Lefty morons seem to really hate the idea of people having a lot of extra money in the bank. What these lefty morons don't seem to understand is, that's where investment comes from. If nobody has enough extra money that they can afford to risk investing, then where the hell are investment going to come from? Who the hell is going to put up the money to start new businesses, expand businesses or invest in new developments?
Have you never noticed that nothing is invented in these dumbass socialist countries? The only people who can succeed are giant multinational corporations who are already swimming in money.
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Click the link it's worth it.
[url]https://vine.co/v/i1E5LTtKwgP[/url]
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[QUOTE=Micku]He's planning on taxing the rich in general. It might not work, but we'll see. I read somewhere that economist think the plan is brilliant, but I dunno. That could be just one because I read others that say it's pretty crazy. I have to read up more on that. Here is Sanders tax plan in comparison to Trump and the current plan we're on right now:
The far left is the current law. The middle is Trump's plan. The far right is Sanders plan.
Income Levels
$0-$18,550~ 10% 0% 10%
$18,550-$75,300~ 15% 10% 15%
$75,300-$151,900~ 25% 10%/20% 25%
$151,900-$231,450~ 28% 20%/25% 28%
$231,450-$413,350~ 33% 25% 37%
$413,350-$466,950~ 35% 25% 37%
$466,960-$500,000~ 39.6% 25% 37%
$500,000-$2,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 48%
$10,000,000
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[QUOTE=Micku]He's planning on taxing the rich in general. It might not work, but we'll see. I read somewhere that economist think the plan is brilliant, but I dunno. That could be just one because I read others that say it's pretty crazy. I have to read up more on that. Here is Sanders tax plan in comparison to Trump and the current plan we're on right now:
The far left is the current law. The middle is Trump's plan. The far right is Sanders plan.
Income Levels
$0-$18,550~ 10% 0% 10%
$18,550-$75,300~ 15% 10% 15%
$75,300-$151,900~ 25% 10%/20% 25%
$151,900-$231,450~ 28% 20%/25% 28%
$231,450-$413,350~ 33% 25% 37%
$413,350-$466,950~ 35% 25% 37%
$466,960-$500,000~ 39.6% 25% 37%
$500,000-$2,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 48%
$10,000,000
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[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]There are two types of Republicans--millionaires and suckers. The rise of "Trump the Rebel" proves it.
Trump's anti-establishment cred = a projected $10 trillion in debt + a massive tax cut for the wealthy.
Same old GOP shit.[/QUOTE]In particular a massive tax cut for his kids.
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[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]There are two types of Republicans--millionaires and suckers. The rise of "Trump the Rebel" proves it.
Trump's anti-establishment cred = a projected $10 trillion in debt + a massive tax cut for the wealthy.
Same old GOP shit.[/QUOTE]
Yup, Trump's plan is just trickle down economics/Dubya Bush's economic plan on steroids. Nothing good would ever come from it (Unless you count the Donald and his buddies getting massive tax cuts as good). All the analysis of his proposals lead to the same outcome- another Great Depression.
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Trump's tax reform is very consistent with what he wants for America. I don't have a problem with his tax reform as it would save me more money than what it is currently and I came from a family that owned multiple businesses.
I am all for hardworking people to keep their hard earn money. Trump is anti-establishment and has mentioned how dumb the people at Washington is at wasting our tax paying money.
This is probably his way of letting the American people keep their money till he finds out how to better spend our tax dollars.
While this tax reform policy has a potential to raise the deficit but I believe Trump's skills is in trade. I believe that is how he will cut make up for it. Good trade policies and reduced government spending.
Vote with your dollars. Don't know why people are upset that he is cutting taxes across the board. Come on people....you really like the current structure?:hammerhead:
He is most likely raising deductions...we will start to feel our pockets feeling heavier and more numbers in the bank.
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59] All the analysis of his proposals lead to the same outcome- another Great Depression.[/QUOTE]
You're a good comedian but not so much when it comes to real life issues, politics or the economy.
In b4 meme or some stupid song.:D
Anyways, I would like to see who these analysis are? Fundamentally, they would not say what you have claimed.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Immigration:
[INDENT]A 2015 study by the American Action Forum, a conservative pro-immigration group, estimates [B][COLOR="Red"]the federal government would have to spend roughly $400 billion to $600 billion to deport 11.3 million undocumented immigrants and prevent future unlawful entry into the U.S. over a 20 year time period.[/COLOR][/B]
In order to implement the plan, the study says, each immigrant would have to be apprehended, detained, legally processed, and transported to his or her home country.
Mass deportation will burden the economy, the report goes on. [B][COLOR="Red"]Removing all undocumented immigrants would cause the labor force to shrink by 6.4%. As a result, 20 years from now the economy would be nearly 6% or $1.6 trillion smaller than it would be if the immigrants are allowed to stay[/COLOR][/B].
While this impact would be found throughout the economy, the agriculture, construction, retail and hospitality sectors would be especially strongly affected, the report indicates.
[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/09/14/trumps-plan-to-round-up-and-deport-11-million-immigrants-within-24-months-prohibitively-expensive/#2715e4857a0b73746d082b1e[/url][/INDENT]
All his other bullshit:
[INDENT][B][U]Economists savage Trump's economic agenda[/U]
Raising tariffs and deporting millions of people will drive up prices and cause recession, experts assert.[/B]
Many economists say Donald Trump
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[QUOTE=9erempiree]Trump's tax reform is very consistent with what he wants for America. I don't have a problem with his tax reform as it would save me more money than what it is currently and I came from a family that owned multiple businesses.
I am all for hardworking people to keep their hard earn money. Trump is anti-establishment and has mentioned how dumb the people at Washington is at wasting our tax paying money.
This is probably his way of letting the American people keep their money till he finds out how to better spend our tax dollars.
[b]While this tax reform policy has a potential to raise the deficit but I believe Trump's skills is in trade. I believe that is how he will cut make up for it.[/b] Good trade policies and reduced government spending.
Vote with your dollars. Don't know why people are upset that he is cutting taxes across the board. Come on people....you really like the current structure?:hammerhead:
He is most likely raising deductions...we will start to feel our pockets feeling heavier and more numbers in the bank.[/QUOTE]
He could cut safety net programs to zero, it still wouldn't offset the massive amounts of lost revenues his tax plan would cause.
Keep in mind that Mein Trumpf wants a "strong military", and military buildups don't come cheap.
Military buildup + massive tax cuts + removing 8 million illegals from the labor force + large tariffs on goods from Mexico and China = Trump is an idiot.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Politico is your source for economic education?
Well, of course it is.
He doesnt even have a real proposal you dolt. You cant do economic analysis on policy proposals that dont exist. Did you google how much the mexicans are going to give us for the wall too?[/QUOTE]
They don't use logic or rationale.
You cannot analyze something that has not happened but I can analyze how this proposal would benefit me and people of ISH, who I am assuming are middle class to upper.
They should just focus on how much money they will be saving and all the money they will be saving as they work their butts off to become rich.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]Politico is your source for economic education?[/QUOTE]
Used Forbes too, dunce. Did you even read what I posted? What does it matter which publication posted the economists' findings?
[QUOTE]He doesnt even have a real proposal you dolt. You cant do economic analysis on policy proposals that dont exist. Did you google how much the mexicans are going to give us for the wall too?[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform"]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform[/URL]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TDHWMFkGM"]Donald Trump on his tariff plan[/URL]
Go to sleep bruh. These Ls you're taking will heal by the time you wake up, hopefully. I'll be praying for your recovery.
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[QUOTE=magnax1]You literally just posted a video where trump backtracks on something he said a week before.
:wtf:
But yeah, tons of solid consistent proposals.....[/QUOTE]
Shhhhhh. No more talk now. Sleeeeeeep.
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[QUOTE=NumberSix][B]Lefty morons seem to really hate the idea of people having a lot of extra money in the bank.[/B] What these lefty morons don't seem to understand is, that's where investment comes from. If nobody has enough extra money that they can afford to risk investing, then where the hell are investment going to come from? Who the hell is going to put up the money to start new businesses, expand businesses or invest in new developments?
Have you never noticed that nothing is invented in these dumbass socialist countries? The only people who can succeed are giant multinational corporations who are already swimming in money.[/QUOTE]
Heh. I read most Americans in general are pretty bad at that anyway.
Let me get it:
[quote]
[B]Approximately 62% of Americans have less than $1,000 in their savings accounts and 21% don
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[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Used Forbes too, dunce. Did you even read what I posted? What does it matter which publication posted the economists' findings?
[URL="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform"]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform[/URL]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0TDHWMFkGM"]Donald Trump on his tariff plan[/URL]
Go to sleep bruh. These Ls you're taking will heal by the time you wake up, hopefully. I'll be praying for your recovery.[/QUOTE]
Trump is not going to put a tariff on Chinese products. It's bargaining leverage. It's not going to actually happen. The idea is to get China to remove their tariff on American products, which China would obviously do.
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[QUOTE=Micku]Heh. I read most Americans in general are pretty bad at that anyway.
Let me get it:
[url]http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06[/url]
Of course the older generation is a bit better at that, but a lot of Americans like living on the edge or just broke.
Anyway, I don't know what tax plan is the best because I have heard mixed reports. From what little I can remember from my economic class, is that both a high tax or a low tax system could work, but it depends on well our advancement of technology flowing well at the time to create new jobs. So, I don't know if any of this is good because aren't there examples throughout USA history of both working?[/QUOTE]
What you want is money in the hands of the people, not the governments pocket.
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[QUOTE=NumberSix]Lefty morons seem to really hate the idea of people having a lot of extra money in the bank. What these lefty morons don't seem to understand is, that's where investment comes from. If nobody has enough extra money that they can afford to risk investing, then where the hell are investment going to come from? Who the hell is going to put up the money to start new businesses, expand businesses or invest in new developments?
Have you never noticed that nothing is invented in these dumbass socialist countries? The only people who can succeed are giant multinational corporations who are already swimming in money.[/QUOTE]
The issue is though, that expansion is at the detriment of everyone not rich (aka 90% of the country). Since the 80s, most of the wealth has gone to the very top. That was massive wealth redistribution there that ALREADY took place! In that same time, there was also the massive Reagan tax cuts. Essentially a double whammy but it didn't strike in the 90s. Not until a major crisis with war in Iraq/Afghanistan, Bush raising tax cuts even further. It all went nuclear when the stock market went pop.
We cannot sustain those tax cuts to the very rich. There were still plenty of investments in 80s. America was at the top of its game back then. Government has gotten significantly larger since I admit. Time to reel that in slowly as well. I am hoping Bernie recognizes that you don't want a government too large to handle. Bernie is not a dummy.
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So Bernie wants to take the money away from the rich and shift it towards the middle and lower class...what's not to like? :confusedshrug:
It's mind boggling that more than 80% of Americans have less than $1,000 in their bank account :eek:
That puts me in the top twenty percentile (incredibly) but that's because I sacrifice, I don't spend money on anything, I send it all to my wife. I drive around in a used car to get to work, I don't go out, I don't buy fast food nor buy new clothes, much less spend cash on the latest gadgets and only that way have I been able to save up money.
Fact of the matter is, the economy has been running on a rightwing, corporation friendly, laissez faire neoliberal economic policy (the ones you conservatives push) since Reagan and all that it has left America with is the largest economic disparity between the top and the rest of us since the founding of the republic, and each year it's getting worse. It's time the rich pay their fair share for the good of all of us, not just the rich.
Let's be honest, corporations are greedy, even if they wouldn't pay no taxes (which many of them hardly do), they would still pay low wages instead of raising wages for Americans because they give zero fvcks about their fellow Americans. They want to make as much money as they can, they couldn't care less if their workers need to get welfare to make ends meet (see Walmart). They have zero sense of patriotism towards their fellow Americans...they don't care about us, why should we feel anything about them finally paying their fair share of taxes?
The fact that you conservative dummies defend the rich at your own financial expense gives me cancer :facepalm
Feel the Bern :rockon:
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Why should rich people be punished for being successful and smart with their money? They already pay more tax than the poor and middle class combined.
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[QUOTE=bladefd]The issue is though, that expansion is at the detriment of everyone not rich (aka 90% of the country). Since the 80s, most of the wealth has gone to the very top. That was massive wealth redistribution there that ALREADY took place! In that same time, there was also the massive Reagan tax cuts. Essentially a double whammy but it didn't strike in the 90s. Not until a major crisis with war in Iraq/Afghanistan, Bush raising tax cuts even further. It all went nuclear when the stock market went pop.
We cannot sustain those tax cuts to the very rich. There were still plenty of investments in 80s. America was at the top of its game back then. Government has gotten significantly larger since I admit. Time to reel that in slowly as well. I am hoping Bernie recognizes that you don't want a government too large to handle. Bernie is not a dummy.[/QUOTE]
A tax cut isn't "redistribution" it's letting people keep their own money.
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[QUOTE=TheMan]So Bernie wants to take the money away from the rich and shift it towards the middle and lower class...what's not to like? :confusedshrug:
[/QUOTE]
Why would you want to take anybody's money away?