After waiting all these years for someone to be 1/10th the player MJ was....

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Boy some of you need to calm down. Jesus[/QUOTE]



it's been 16 years since MJ retired in 1998. Some people might forget how good MJ's offensively since they are watching curry at this moment

[QUOTE=sekachu]

it's been 16 years since MJ retired in 1998. Some people might forget how good MJ's offensively since they are watching curry at this moment

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Also, unlike today's 3-point-happy league, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor for him - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.

So today's player benefits from teammates that space the floor and cause defenders to cover more ground - three-point shooters benefit [I][COLOR="Navy"]the most[/COLOR][/I] from scrambling defenders, which is why 80% of today's 3-pointers (including Curry's) are "[I]open[/I]" or "[I]very open[/I]", as described on NBA.com's [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12360926&postcount=37]stats page[/url].

Otoh, Jordan achieved his stats WITHOUT teammates spreading the floor.. In today's spaced-out game, his stats would explode because he has the same (better) athleticism as Lebron/Westbrook, but they [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47]can't shoot[/url], and Jordan could - he had goat midrange efficiency, [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43]better than Curry's[/url], which puts him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gives him a similarly massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron and Westbrook.
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[QUOTE=ninephive]You must have missed Duncan. Has 5/6th Jordan's rings and never had a losing record like Jordan did for a third of his career.[/QUOTE]


MJ never lost a Finals like Duncan did doe. :rockon:

oh horror is lowkey one of the saltiest on the board about AMC.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=nba_55]And he also did not know how to win a playoffs series without Pippen as shown with his 1-9 record in the playoffs without Pippen.

Curry is way better than Jordan offensively. Accept it and move on if you want to live your last few days happily.[/QUOTE]


Curry didn't even know what the playoffs was for his first 3 years. Isn't it better to make the playoffs and lose, than not make it all?

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]10-15 people you would take offensively over Curry??

No way.[/QUOTE]

In NBA history yes well maybe 10 not 15.

[QUOTE=konex]The vast majority of his shots are also wide open due to his teammates. To be fair, a lot are deep 3s but still.[/QUOTE]

I agree this team is super loaded still what Curry can do is very impressive his handles along with his shooting ability is rare.

[QUOTE=sportjames23]MJ never lost a Finals like Duncan did doe. :rockon:[/QUOTE]

We can also cherry pick stats. He never won a series without Pippen.

[QUOTE=Cold soul]I agree this team is super loaded still what Curry can do is very impressive his handles along with his shooting ability is rare.[/QUOTE]

Bulls were even more loaded. They were contenders when they replaced Jordan with a D-League type of talent.

[QUOTE=nba_55]We can also cherry pick stats. He never won a series without Pippen.[/QUOTE]


And Duncan never repeated. We can go on and on with every player's flaws.

When looking at careers in totality, MJ's career surpasses everyone from both an individual and team perspective.

[QUOTE=100grandman]Half of you probably never saw MJ play. That has got to be the reason i'm seeing so many dumb ass posts.[/QUOTE]
They're trolling, this is ish...

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]And Duncan never repeated. We can go on and on with every player's flaws.

When looking at careers in totality, MJ's career surpasses everyone from both an individual and team perspective.[/QUOTE]

No he doesn't. Russell surpasses from team perspective. Wilt surpasses him from individual perspective.

[QUOTE=sekachu]it's been 16 years since MJ retired in 1998. Some people might forget how good MJ's offensively since they are watching curry at this moment[/QUOTE]
Well, lets keep bumping the Legend of the Greatest thread to remind them....

[QUOTE=nba_55]No he doesn't. Russell surpasses from team perspective. Wilt surpasses him from individual perspective.[/QUOTE]

How the f*ck does Ilt surpass MJ in the individual department?

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]How the f*ck does Ilt surpass MJ in the individual department?[/QUOTE]

Better stats. Jordan is never touching 50 ppg and 25 rbs.

[QUOTE=nba_55]No he doesn't. Russell surpasses from team perspective. Wilt surpasses him from individual perspective.[/QUOTE]


Key word: [B]TOTALITY[/B]


MJ has the better personal stats than Russell, and better team achievements than Wilt.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Key word: [B]TOTALITY[/B]


MJ has the better personal stats than Russell, and better team achievements than Wilt.[/QUOTE]

Well, goat list is subjective. Not everyone that has the same criterias as you. Some advantages winning a lot ( in that case Russell would be goat). Others emphasize the individual productions ( in that case it would be wilt).

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]How the f*ck does Ilt surpass MJ in the individual department?[/QUOTE]

He doesn't.

If games were only played in the regular-season, Wilt would be the unanimous GOAT. Unfortunately for him the NBA has a postseason and finals, where MJ simply played on another level.

[QUOTE=nba_55]Better stats. Jordan is never touching 50 ppg and 25 rbs.[/QUOTE]

In terms of sheer peak numbers [U]without considering context[/U], Ilt is probably the GOAT. But peak numbers isn't the be all, end all.

MJ is the all time leader in PPG and PER for both regular season and playoffs.

MJ won 5 regular seasons mvp while Ilt won 4.

MJ has 6 fmvp while Ilt has 1.

MJ's career playoff scoring average is 33.4 while Ilt's is 22.5

MJ's career playoff PER is 28.6 while Ilt's is 22.7.

MJ won 10 scoring titles while Ilt won 7.

I can go on and on.

The simple fact is that no player was as CONSISTENTLY DOMINANT like MJ. Some might've peaked a tad higher or some had better longevity but no one maintained a level like MJ for as long. The proof is in the numbers.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]In terms of sheer peak numbers [U]without considering context[/U], Ilt is probably the GOAT. But peak numbers isn't the be all, end all.

MJ is the all time leader in PPG and PER for both regular season and playoffs.

MJ won 5 regular seasons mvp while Ilt won 4.

MJ has 6 fmvp while Ilt has 1.

MJ's career playoff scoring average is 33.4 while Ilt's is 22.5

MJ's career playoff PER is 28.6 while Ilt's is 22.7.

MJ won 10 scoring titles while Ilt won 7.

I can go on and on.[/QUOTE]
I will let Lazeruss respond to this. I don't have time for this shit.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]He doesn't.

If games were only played in the regular-season, Wilt would be the unanimous GOAT. Unfortunately for him the NBA has a postseason and finals, where MJ simply played on another level.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that little thing called the playoffs and clutch and showing up when it matters most, etc. Not that important. I'd rather lose and put up empty stats and blame everyone else for coming up short.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]The simple fact is that no player was as CONSISTENTLY DOMINANT like MJ. Some might've peaked a tad higher or some had better longevity but no one maintained a level like MJ for as long. The proof is in the numbers.[/QUOTE]

who peaked higher

[QUOTE=Black Magic]who peaked higher[/QUOTE]

You can argue Wilt if you are looking at the raw numbers without context.

[QUOTE=Black Magic]who peaked higher[/QUOTE]


Ted Williams didn't peak as high as Babe Ruth. That doesn't diminish his greatness in hitting.

curry is th e*uckin man, but this is a bit of an overreaction. from the moment jordan stepped foot on the nba hardwood all the way to his retirement in '98, he was putting up 40 point playoff games on the regular. the league threw everything they could at him. he went through the toughest and roughest defenses. they developed specialized defensive schemes to stop him. he could not be stopped by any of this.

but now we're supposed to think that because curry put up one 40 point game, he's now all of a sudden a better scorer than jordan? when curry goes through as many wars as jordan did while putting up several 40-50 point games, then we can talk.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]He makes Lebron _ames look like Porkins.[/QUOTE]
He makes CP3 and KD look like ringless losers.
Oh wait, everyone does that.

1/10 of Jordan?

my god Jordan is the greatest to ever do it but geez lets get of his nuts so they can breathe for a day or two.

1/10???? Might as well not even make the comparison if you gonna say someone is 10 percent someone else. Its like a chick telling me I can fucc but I can only use 10 percent of my dick. Whats the point????

Steph unanimous MVP, better season than any of Ordan's :applause: :applause: :applause:

Wait so Jordan isn't just the GOAT he's 10x better than the next closest guy?

Are you retarded?


Every player in the NBA is at least 10% as good as Jordan **** outta here. He isn't God.

[QUOTE=sd3035]Steph unanimous MVP, better season than any of Ordan's :applause: :applause: :applause:[/QUOTE]

This is a stupid argument. It only means this season was weak in terms of MVP caliber players.....and it's further more the case when you only really have like 2-3 teams capable of winning the ring....whereas the 90s had more star players and 4-6 teams that can possibly win in any given year...

Jordan was 10x the player curry is right now? Wow

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]The simple fact is that no player[B] QUIT IN THEIR PRIME[/B] like MJ. Some might've peaked a tad higher or some had better longevity but no one maintained a level like MJ for as long. The proof is in the numbers.[/QUOTE]

Well...most guys would stick around to defend their title rather than quit when they knew it was over.

jordan averaged 300 ppg in his prime and shut entire teams down alone

basically wat op's saying is the difference between Jordan and Kareem is bigger than the difference between Kareem and Dion Waiters :oldlol:

It's funny seeing these Jordan-stans get all indignant every time another player comes along and does something that the so-called GOAT couldn't ever dream of doing.

They are butthurt that Lebron can guard most 4s in the game while Jordan wouldn't dream of it.

They are butthurt that Lebron made it to a Finals as a 21 y/o with Larry Hughes and Zydrunas Ilgauskas as his 2 best teammates and Mike Brown as his coach.

They're butthurt that Steph Curry not only scores more easily, but also more effortlessly than Jordan could ever dream of. Jordan had to work much harder for his points via hard slashes to the rim and post ups. Curry can juke a man out of his shoes with his handles or just run him off a screen or two before jacking up a 0.3s off-the-dribble shot from 30ft and swish it at a 45% rate.

They are butthurt that Curry draws double teams from 30ft out and that he gets a lot more off-ball attention, creating far better spacing for his teammates than their GOAT's 31% career 3pt shooting percentage was ever able to dictate.

Jordan stans are perpetually butthurt because they go apeshit like that crazy World of Warcraft kid on youtube every time someone comes along and exhibits some skill(s) or ability(ies) which put Jordan's to shame.

[QUOTE=nba_55]And he also did not know how to win a playoffs series without Pippen as shown with his 1-9 record in the playoffs without Pippen.

Curry is way better than Jordan offensively. Accept it and move on if you want to live your last few days happily.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to see curry on a team with no klay or draymond. I believe he gets single covered on isolated plays.

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]I'd have to see curry on a team with no klay or draymond. I believe he gets single covered on isolated plays.[/QUOTE]
we already seen that years ago when he was like 25, didnt turn out too well

[QUOTE=greymatter]It's funny seeing these Jordan-stans get all indignant every time another player comes along and does something that the so-called GOAT couldn't ever dream of doing.

They are butthurt that Lebron can guard most 4s in the game while Jordan wouldn't dream of it.

They are butthurt that Lebron made it to a Finals as a 21 y/o with Larry Hughes and Zydrunas Ilgauskas as his 2 best teammates and Mike Brown as his coach.

They're butthurt that Steph Curry not only scores more easily, but also more effortlessly than Jordan could ever dream of. Jordan had to work much harder for his points via hard slashes to the rim and post ups. Curry can juke a man out of his shoes with his handles or just run him off a screen or two before jacking up a 0.3s off-the-dribble shot from 30ft and swish it at a 45% rate.

They are butthurt that Curry draws double teams from 30ft out and that he gets a lot more off-ball attention, creating far better spacing for his teammates than their GOAT's 31% career 3pt shooting percentage was ever able to dictate.

Jordan stans are perpetually butthurt because they go apeshit like that crazy World of Warcraft kid on youtube every time someone comes along and exhibits some skill(s) or ability(ies) which put Jordan's to shame.[/QUOTE]




You're trying to clown them but you're the dude typing out the essay.


Relax dude.

Why hasn't anyone been able to shut down MJ in the finals the way Lebron was shut down by players like Iggy and Kawhi? They played such good defense on him that they won the FMVP. No one could do that to MJ in the finals. I attribute it to MJ going up against Pippen in practice everyday, who was a superior defender to both kawhi and Iggy. Also take into account that despite being able to hand check, they still couldn't stop MJ. Iggy and kawhi weren't even allowed to hand check lebron, and they still stopped him. That's how inferior Lebron's offensive game was in comparison to MJ. We saw a bench player last year in Delly shut down Curry in 2 games. I don't recall MJ ever being shut down 2 games in a finals series, and that's with being able to hand check the shit out of him and be 10x more physical than what is allowed in today's game.

Any superstar of today can watch a guy's moves from 15+ years ago and improve on them. Is that suppose to be an impressive feat? It's to be expected, and yet despite having every advantage that MJ didn't have back then, no one can replicate or outdo what he did in his 6 finals combined. He was that good.