[QUOTE=Blue&Orange][B]He got to the finals on a $190 million roster[/B] on a pathetic low talented conference.
Amazing stuff :applause:[/QUOTE]
Yet no All-NBA teammates on the roster.
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[QUOTE=Blue&Orange][B]He got to the finals on a $190 million roster[/B] on a pathetic low talented conference.
Amazing stuff :applause:[/QUOTE]
Yet no All-NBA teammates on the roster.
[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Never once heard anyone praising Magic for making NBA finals and calling it a major accomplishment, not once.[/QUOTE]
But LeBron gets criticized for his so-called easy path when Magic, Kareem and Riley had it much easier.
They got first rounds byes until 1984 and then when changed.... it was the best of 5 series. Less games = much less chance of injury.
[QUOTE=SpecialQue]Eh...I hate Lebron but it is a legit accomplishment. Sorry guys.[/QUOTE]
Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?[/QUOTE]
It's irrelevant how he got there. History will just remember that he did, and that no other player in recent memory has done the same thing, especially on two different teams.
Six straight in the West would have been much more impressive.
[QUOTE=SpecialQue]It's irrelevant how he got there. History will just remember that he did, and that no other player in recent memory has done the same thing, especially on two different teams.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no one else abandons ship like bran
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?[/QUOTE]
*jeopardy music*
Had there been one more super team in the East, at least for 2-3 of those years, I would have been impressed. He just had it so easy, and it was by design. And watch out Cleveland fans this summer. He WILL jump ship if he sees an easier path somewhere else.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?[/QUOTE]
The Raps baby!!!
:cry:
[QUOTE=Phong]So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Right? It's like giving kids those participation trophies. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=sportjames23]Right? It's like giving kids those participation trophies. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Yep. Participation trophies that not one person has earned in the past 50 years. Handing them out like candy. To no one.
[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]Yep. Participation trophies that not one person has earned in the past 50 years. Handing them out like candy. To no one.[/QUOTE]You're the only one who wants to give him some participation award. No one cares about that shit.
People care about winners, not perennial losers.
America is going down the shitter in a hurry. A bunch of obese fvcks who think it's cool to lose.
What's the worst that could happen?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]But LeBron gets criticized for his so-called easy path when Magic, Kareem and Riley had it much easier.
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Saying the east is been a joke talent wise and Lebron still managed to collude with the few talent the east had, it's not criticizing, it's point out undeniable facts.
Maybe if Lebrotards didn't come up with the making the finals major accomplishment crap, those undeniable facts wouldn't be mentioned so often.
Again never, not even once heard anyone praising Magic, Kareen and Riley and their accomplishment on reaching the finals, i needed to repeat myself here since you didn't get it the first time.
I've never shitted on Lebron this much until I joined this forum. The excuses made makes it so easy.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.
Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.[/QUOTE]
Magic had no business losing with the squads he had outside of the bird matchups imo
everybody talking about lebron and stuff
why does noone mention JAMES JONES ?!?!? the man who carried lebrons ass to 6 finals....
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.
Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
nobody celebrated Magic beating sleepy floyd just like nobody should be celebrating lebron beating jeff teague or kyle lowry.. gotta beat Bird or Curry led squads bro. You teamed up, picked your all stars, so thats what ya got.
FOH op
the lebron hate on this board is out of control. :facepalm
The guy has beaten the same amount of 60 win teams as kobe has (with shaq)
Lebron has made the finals with mediocre-crappy supporting casts. Sure the west has been tougher at times, but if you put lebron in the west, give him a stacked west team then and they still make the finals.
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]Magic had no business losing with the squads he had outside of the bird matchups imo[/QUOTE]
The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers went H2H versus Jordan's Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.
Those are some pretty good teams to hold L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=coin24]Yeah no one else abandons ship like bran[/QUOTE]
he jumped ship ONCE getting out of cleveland. He redeemed himself when he returned and the cavs weren't complete trash. Him leaving miami wasn't jumping ship, it was simply him going home. Understandable situation.
2/7 is a major accomplishment?:oldlol:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers played Jordan and the Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.
Those are some pretty good teams to take L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Magic is similar circumstances to Lebron, but he was 5/9 in the Finals .. Magic faced what? Bird, Moses, Dr J, Jordan, McHale, Pippen, etc in his Finals. Lebron's got Duncan, Parker, Curry, Klay, Durant, Westbrook, I'd say Magic had slightly better competition and still had a much better record. Thats why hes still ahead of bran on the goat list for me
Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :(
[QUOTE=tpols]Magic is similar circumstances to Lebron, but he was 5/9 in the Finals .. Magic faced what? Bird, Moses, Dr J, Jordan, McHale, Pippen, etc in his Finals. Lebron's got Duncan, Parker, Curry, Klay, Durant, Westbrook, I'd say Magic had slightly better competition and still had a much better record. Thats why hes still ahead of bran on the goat list[/QUOTE]
I'd say Magic has clearly faced greater competition if we're talking about SUPER teams. Philly, Detroit and Boston were stacked like pancakes...top to bottom.
This Golden State squad might be revered as one of the greatest ever tho, depending on how they finish out here obviously.
Spurs in 2014 were awesome too. No doubt.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :([/QUOTE]
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Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:
Tragic literally dribbled out the clock in a one possession game TWICE in the same finals :roll:
If that happened today, social media would BREAK.. nothing more choke than that.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:
Tragic literally dribbled out the clock in a one possession game TWICE in the same finals :roll:
If that happened today, social media would BREAK.. nothing more choke than that.[/QUOTE]
-biggest choke from a superstar ever? check
-cost his teammate another finals mvp and huge legacy boost? check
-had the most top heavy team in history, relative to era and competition? double check
Yeah, I would say it weighs heavy. :oldlol: Mr. "Tragic" has a positive record in the finals and is one of the greatest ever on that stage. LeBron does NOT and isn't...hence the difference in standards.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :([/QUOTE]
um, no.. he teamed up twice with two separate casts of all stars, and stacked role players out over time. The help excuse has been long thrown out the window for bran
Okay, but past the cliches and casual talk.. do you really believe Magic played better in the finals?
LeBron has done his job near flawlessly since 2012... its pretty incredible, especially when you remove his stats in the finals at age 22.
[B]MAGIC JOHNSON[/B]
1980: 22 ppg, 11 rpg, 9 apg, 57% FG
1982: 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 8 apg, 53% FG (Finals MVP)
1983: 19 ppg, 8 rpg, 13 apg, 40% FG
1984: 18 ppg, 8 rpg, 14 apg, 56% FG
1985: 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 14 apg, 49% FG
1987: 26 ppg, 8 rpg, 13 apg, 54% FG (Finals MVP)
1988: 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 13 apg, 55% FG
1989: 12 ppg, 4 rpg, 8 apg, 46% FG
1991: 19 ppg, 8 rpg, 12 apg, 43% FG
Career (50 games): 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 12 apg, 52% FG
[B]LEBRON JAMES[/B]
2007: 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 36% FG, 43% TS
2011: 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 48% FG, 54% TS
2012: 29 ppg, 10 rpg, 7 apg, 47% FG, 56% TS (Finals MVP)
2013: 25 ppg, 11 rpg, 7 apg, 45% FG, 53% TS (Finals MVP)
2014: 28 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 58% FG, 68% TS
2015: 36 ppg, 13 rpg, 9 apg, 40% FG, 48% TS
Career (33 games): 26.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 6.9 apg, 44.6% FG
Lets be realistic here, please.... he's carried much bigger scoring and defensive burdens and it still wasn't enough most of the time. If he hadnt done the unthinkable in '07 and made the finals, or have his co-stars injured last year, he'd be 3/6 and it looks Magic like, with greater responsibility and statistics.
"teamed up with two seperate cast of all stars" is the extent of your context
im cryin bruv
Magic was clearly the better player in the finals. How is this even arguable?
Dude orchestrated some of the greatest offensive machines, ever, en route to 5 championships.
Just because another ATG performed better than your favorite player doesn't mean we're throwing around "cliches" and excuses. Bottom line is, Magic didn't have the number of short-comings LeBron did on that stage. Its just a fact.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
It was the most embarrassing finals ever for a star player. It is ALWAYS going to be brought up because it was a monumental, historic choke. It was so bad that over the summer, as they related during a playoff game the next season, Lebron actually scheduled interviews with previous star players like Magic, MJ, etc., asking for advice on how to win.
dude, you're posting stats .. Magic makes others BETTER, better than Lebron does. Magic makes his teammates stats go up. For the most part, Lebron makes his teammates stats go down.
lmao
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Magic was clearly the better player in the finals. How is this even arguable?
Dude orchestrated some of the greatest offensive machines, ever, en route to 5 championships.
Just because another ATG performed better than your favorite player doesn't mean we're throwing around "cliches" and excuses. Bottom line is, Magic didn't have the number of short-comings LeBron did on that stage. Its just a fact.[/QUOTE]
Bron factually has one shortcoming.. one time he was favored and lost. Same for Magic in '84, but then again Magic won in '85 as underdog, as LeBron did a year after '11, in '12. They both immediately redeemed themselves. Lets cut that crap. He's been the underdog in 5/7 NBA finals, and will likely get out of this having lost 5/7 times... if you want to believe Magic would have beat the '07 Spurs, igniting the unstoppable offense with Hughes and Boobie Gibson, go ahead... if you want to believe he beats the '14 Spurs, or the '15 Warriors with Mozgov as #2 guy, go ahead :confusedshrug:
I choose no.
[QUOTE=Real14]2/7 is a major accomplishment?:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Seriously. How the hell can they spin this? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Bron factually has one shortcoming.. one time he was favored and lost. Same for Magic in '84, but then again Magic won in '85 as underdog, as LeBron did a year after '11, in '12. They both immediately redeemed themselves. Lets cut that crap. He's been the underdog in 5/7 NBA finals, and will likely get out of this having lost 5/7 times... if you want to believe Magic would have beat the '07 Spurs, igniting the unstoppable offense with Hughes and Boobie Gibson, go ahead... if you want to believe he beats the '14 Spurs, or the '15 Warriors with Mozgov as #2 guy, go ahead :confusedshrug:
I choose no.[/QUOTE]
This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:
Fun Fact: Mozgov scored 15+ 19 times his whole career before arriving to Cleveland, LeBron had to rely on him as #2 guy in the '15 finals, and he scored 15+ in 4/6 games...
#Magicwouldhavehimaveraging30!
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:[/QUOTE]
I knew this shit would happen even after the decision lol
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Fun Fact: Mozgov scored 15+ 19 times his whole career before arriving to Cleveland, LeBron had to rely on him as #2 guy in the '15 finals, and he scored 15+ in 4/6 games...
#Magicwouldhavehimaveraging30![/QUOTE]
didnt lebron get him benched after he had like a 30 and 10 game or somethin :roll:
he couldnt have that goon swiping the FMVP