Curry got the 2nd highest per to play with him, LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.

The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.[/QUOTE]

How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, [i]but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.[/i]

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]That's how you just know Bosh wasn't even CLOSE to top 5 in 2010

Missed the playoffs, in the East no less
Didn't make an All-NBA Team
Didn't finish top 10 in MVP voting
Didn't league the lead in any statistical category

Absolutely no argument for top 5. None[/QUOTE]

Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto

[QUOTE=warriorfan]How is this the most cowardly move a superstar could make?

LeBron did the same thing as Kevin Durant. He left his hometown team in hopes of increasing his chance at a championship. Using records is pretty disingenuous because Durant joined a good team, while LeBron joined a slightly worse team, [i]but LeBron also brought a top 4 player in the league with him.[/i]

Using the Heat's 2010 record and saying LeBron joined that isn't reflective of what actually happened, he joined a mediocre 2010 heat team but he didn't bring just himself, he brought another elite top 4 player WITH him.

KD joined a better team, but only brought himself.[/QUOTE]
Lol no. This has been discussed too much to have this argument again. Joining a team that just elminated you and went to two straight finals is different than building a new team after the Heat just got elminated from the first round. The fact that you think this is even remotely comparable shows that you're not worth conversing with on the subject.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Wow, you mindless ESPN drones and your media votes :lol

Media voting has always been awful and still is, but it has slightly improved in the past years

Chris Bosh always got underrepresented in All NBA because 1 he was extremely young, and 2 played for a poor small market team in Toronto[/QUOTE]
Extremely young? He was 26..

He wasn't a top 5 player in the league. Give it up.

He was borderline top 10

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]Lol no. This has been discussed too much to have this argument again. Joining a team that just elminated you and went to two straight finals is different than building a new team after the Heat just got elminated from the first round. The fact that you think this is even remotely comparable shows that you're not worth conversing with on the subject.[/QUOTE]

Joining a team you eliminated is not a big deal when you are the top player in the league and bringing a top 4 player with you as well...and joining the 2nd best in the league...

[i]That would be like if Kevin Durant AND Russell Westbrook joined a playoff team that had the Best Player in the League....like the Warriors[/i]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Joining a team you eliminated is not a big deal when you are the top player in the league and bringing a top 4 player with you as well...and joining the 2nd best in the league...

[i]That would be like if Kevin Durant AND Russell Westbrook joined a playoff team that had the Best Player in the League....like the Warriors[/i][/QUOTE]

What's your top 4 for the 2010 season?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]What's your top 4 for the 2010 season?[/QUOTE]

1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh

[QUOTE=warriorfan]1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh[/QUOTE]

So Bosh >> Kobe?

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]So Bosh >> Kobe?[/QUOTE]

I don't know, Bosh was a force that year

They are interchangeable in value depending on what the team needs

I don't have a problem with someone arguing Kobe over Bosh in 2010, but it's very close

Like I said before Chris Bosh is getting criminally underrated around here, he was an elite player that was buried in a small market team that was awful. He was recognized as an emerging star but he did not get the respect that he earned through his play and production. He was quietly putting up 24/12 on 59% TS while not getting much media coverage at all. He was dominant.

[I]warriorfan, was Kevin Love better than Steph in 2014?[/I]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]1a. Wade
1b. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Bosh[/QUOTE]
Looks like your agendas are conflicting:roll:

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][I]warriorfan, was Kevin Love better than Steph in 2014?[/I][/QUOTE]

Yes

Curry was good in 2014 but he was far from his peak, he had a huge leap in 2015

Kevin Love put up historic hall of fame numbers in 2014. 26/12.5/4.4/59% TS

Want to see a list of the only players who have put up those numbers?

[IMG]https://s32.postimg.org/ff31u3rbp/Kevin_Love_Ho_F.png[/IMG]

Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar was the only player ever to do it, and he did it in a weak era with inflated pace

It's a safe bet to say that Kevin Love was better than Steph Curry in 2014

Hassan Whiteside had a higher PER than Bosh ever had last year. Superstar, right?




Other "legends" who have put up huge PER seasons:

Elton Brand 26.7 PER in 2005-06
John Drew (25.31 PER in 1975-76, higher than Bosh ever had)
Terrell Brandon (25.24 in 1995-96, better than Bosh ever did)
Brook Lopez (24.73 PER in 2012-13)
Carlos Boozer (24.1 PER in 2006-07)

In 2004, "ColludeBe", already playing with Shaq who was coming off a 29.5 PER season, got Karl Malone and Gary Payton as well, who were coming off 21.7 PER and 21.1 PER seasons, respectively.



Kobe also had THREE teammates (D12 Gasol and Nash) coming off of 20+ PER seasons going into the 2013 season. Didn't go well for him.

Enes Kanter had a 24.0 PER this past year, for ****'s sake. Durant left a team with two 24+ PER guys, (Westbrook was 27.6, and was coming off a 29.1 season) to a team with to a team with only one guy with a PER above 20. Damn, Durant must want to lose, leaving such a stacked cast in OKC and joining those scrubs in Golden State :biggums:

[QUOTE=RRR3]Hassan Whiteside had a higher PER than Bosh ever had last year. Superstar, right?




Other "legends" who have put up huge PER seasons:

Elton Brand 26.7 PER in 2005-06
John Drew (25.31 PER in 1975-76, higher than Bosh ever had)
Terrell Brandon (25.24 in 1995-96, better than Bosh ever did)
Brook Lopez (24.73 PER in 2012-13)
Carlos Boozer (24.1 PER in 2006-07)[/QUOTE]

Few things here

First off [b]PER cannot be compared cross years, it's not meant to be used like that. The way the numbers are normalized makes it so they can only be used to compare with [i]others from the same season[/i][/b]

Example, a PER of 20 in 2006 [b]is not the same[/b] as a PER of 20 in 1976

Then there is minutes played


You obviously didn't read my post concerning minutes played and PER

[QUOTE=warriorfan]No, because you do not understand how PER works

PER is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes

If you look at both graphics, [b]Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg)[/b] than all the other players

Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load

All of the other readings are accurate however[/QUOTE]

Terrell Brandon had a higher PER than Charles Barkley in 1995-96.

Wilt Chamberlain Jerry West and Elgin Baylor were 1, 3, and 4 in PER in the 67-68 season. The next year, they teamed up. Most stacked ever, right, OP?

For what it's worth Kyrie Irving has never been top 10 in PER, and the year before LeBron joined him he had a 20.1 PER. Boo-boo-boo-buh-buh-buh-but! :cry:

RRR3 you are making yourself look stupid

You have no idea what you are talking about, you cannot compare PER's across year, it doesn't work like that

:facepalm

:facepalm Jesus the OP is getting destroyed and he keeps trying to post nonsense.

Fine you want me to stick to the one year thing?


Terrell Brandon>Charles Barkley in 1996.


The year before LeBron joined the Cavaliers, Kyrie Irving wasn't even top TWENTY in the league in PER, behind such legends as Al Jefferson and Nikola Pekovic :oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3]Fine you want me to stick to the one year thing?


Terrell Brandon>Charles Barkley in 1996.


The year before LeBron joined the Cavaliers, Kyrie Irving wasn't even top TWENTY in the league in PER, behind such legends as Al Jefferson and Nikola Pekovic :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Bro, did you miss the post where he said Bosh > Kobe in 2010?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Bro, did you miss the post where he said Bosh > Kobe in 2010?[/QUOTE]
Kobe's a scrub. Never even led the league in PER or even finished 2nd. What a loser.

The last thing LeBron fans should be trying to do is nitpick at PER considering it is one of his strongest arguments for being a top 10 All Time Great

:facepalm

How often is the person with the highest PER the best player in the league?

Look it up

PER is legit

OP has a point... what KD did was exactly the same as LeBron.

LeBron joined two top 5 player in PER while all three were about at their peaks.

But Heat only won 2 out of 4 championships..

So let's not penalize Durant if he fits in seamlessly and actually lives up to the expectations. It's way harder than it seems. This is gonna be a huge challenge for Durant and the Warriors to win. They have all the pressure in the world, especially Durant... so when they do win the title next year I wanna see people give KD the credit and respect he deserves.

I can't wait to spam KD's FMVP pic at you clowns.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]The last thing LeBron fans should be trying to do is nitpick at PER considering it is one of his strongest arguments for being a top 10 All Time Great

:facepalm

How often is the person with the highest PER the best player in the league?

Look it up

PER is legit[/QUOTE]
Is LeBron the 2nd and Wade the 10th GOAT?

Everyone forgetting KD was maybe 5th best player of 2016 whereas LBJ was the man in Heat days

Any LBJ is significantly better than KD, and adds a considerably amount of weight to OPs argument.

[quote=warriorfan;12505093]i don't know, bosh was a force that year

they are interchangeable in value depending on what the team needs

i don't have a problem with someone arguing kobe over bosh in 2010, but it's very close

like i said before chris bosh is getting criminally underrated around here, he was an elite player that was buried in a small market team that was awful. He was recognized as an emerging star but he did not get the respect that he earned through his play and production. He was quietly putting up 24/12 on 59% ts while not getting much media coverage at all. He was dominant.[/quote]



what the ****

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14944973]what the ****[/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14945023]:lol[/QUOTE]
crack rotted his brain :ohwell:

R3 and Water, show me one post where you buck back on a Pau > Kobe post because of some obscure advanced stat

You probably cannot find any.


So when a dude says Bosh > Kobe you will do a fake outrage and bookmark it

When trolls were going wild with the Pau > Kobe…where were you at? lol


If we are being real with no trolling

Kobe > Bosh/Pau


R3 you agree???

(not gonna hold my breath as this loser tries to dodge this post)

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945030]R3 and Water, show me one post where you buck back on a Pau > Kobe post because of some obscure advanced stat

You probably cannot find any.


So when a dude says Bosh > Kobe you will do a fake outrage and bookmark it

When trolls were going wild with the Pau > Kobe…where were you at? lol


If we are being real with no trolling

Kobe > Bosh/Pau


R3 you agree???

(not gonna hold my breath as this loser tries to dodge this post)[/QUOTE]
When's the last time someone said Pau was better than Kobe? You're worked up about trolling from 12 years ago :roll:

[QUOTE=FLDFSU;12505312]:facepalm Jesus the OP is getting destroyed and he keeps trying to post nonsense.[/QUOTE]

typical for OP

Oh goodie. Another thread to make us ask what has happened since.

At the time this thread was made people still couldn't be certain. But we know now what happened and it is even more impressive than was expected at the time.

15-66

[QUOTE=LikeABosh;12504562]0/22.[/QUOTE]

Updated in the previous post.