2 Days Have Passed and I STILL Can't Get Over the Fact That Durant Can't Bench 185

[QUOTE=LakerRaider]NFL (National Football League)[/QUOTE]Ahh, that makes sense. How 'bout using the generally accepted name from now on instead of making Laker fans look like retards.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Here's the thing: If you have a foot of reach advantage you can wait for the shooter to jump before you go for the block. That's why length is such a major advantage. He'll have problems with d like most rookies do but that's definitely not something that ought to be held against him. If it was really so easy to post taller guys with naught but a strength advantage guys like Antonio Gates wouldn't wind up in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

You lead me to my next point. How is he going to defend small forwards on the perimter that are much quicker than him? He doesn't have great lateral quickness. His stature and the way he defends makes me believe he's gonna get crossed up a lot.

[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]you've obviously never played at a high level of organized ball before.


strenght means everything.




if you are not strong, and you play against very tall and strong guys, you will get no layups. if you are in that situation, you better pray your jumpshot never fails[/QUOTE]


Look at Tayshaun Prince and how skinny he is, yet he's one of the better defenders of the league.

[QUOTE=vert48]Ahh, that makes sense. How 'bout using the generally accepted name from now on instead of making Laker fans look like retards.[/QUOTE]


Wow, you think I'm a representative of all Los Angeles Lakers fans??? Thank you for thinking so highly of me, but unfortunately I don't represent all Los Angeles Lakers fans. Now, quit responding to me and get back on topic.

[QUOTE=hippos]You lead me to my next point. How is he going to defend small forwards on the perimter that are much quicker than him? He doesn't have great lateral quickness. His stature and the way he defends makes me believe he's gonna get crossed up a lot.[/QUOTE]
That could be a problem, sure. But not getting posted up by sfs. Only centers and power forwards would have the height to really take advantage of Durant's lack of muscle.

[QUOTE=hippos]Big 12 had no big men. See what happened when he went up against a group bigs that are aggresive and enjoy contact (MSU). He had a subpar game and Texas lossed.[/QUOTE]

21pts 9rbs 4blks in a 2pt loss that was Durants 3rd game of his college career. You f*cking idiot. :roll: And if you mention his FG (7-19) he went 1-8 from downtown. So basically his deep ball was off. Kudos for having a freshman in his 3rd game shoot bad from the feld. No really. I'm pretty sure we're gonna see those MSU forwards in the NBA someday (contributing). :sleeping

[QUOTE=LakerRaider]Look at Tayshaun Prince and how skinny he is, yet he's one of the better defenders of the league.[/QUOTE]

Tayshaun Prince isnt weak. He's strong genius. Same with KG, Tyson Chandler. Whose frames didnt change that drastically when they were rookies. But what did improve was thier strength. And Prince spent years in college and learned HOW to play defense. Durant hasnt learned. But he has the ability, the long wingspan to be a heck of a defender.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Tayshaun Prince isnt weak. He's strong genius. Same with KG, Tyson Chandler. Whose frames didnt change that drastically when they were rookies. But what did improve was thier strength. And Prince spent years in college and learned HOW to play defense. Durant hasnt learned. But he has the ability, the long wingspan to be a heck of a defender.[/QUOTE]


I never said Tayshaun Prince was weak, I said he was skinny. Read to Achieve.

[QUOTE=GOBB]21pts 9rbs 4blks in a 2pt loss that was Durants 3rd game of his college career. You f*cking idiot. :roll: And if you mention his FG (7-19) he went 1-8 from downtown. So basically his deep ball was off. Kudos for having a freshman in his 3rd game shoot bad from the feld. No really. I'm pretty sure we're gonna see those MSU forwards in the NBA someday (contributing). :sleeping[/QUOTE]

He better not go 1-8 from downtown in the NBA or he will never see the paint.

And why do you think he took 8 threes against MSU? :roll:

[QUOTE=vert48]So you are saying that Durant is just like you. Are you sure that is a compliment? How much did you sign for?[/QUOTE]Since you are too stupid to see what I'm saying.......

I don't lift weights. Kevin Durant probably doesn't lift weights. We don't lift weights. So in that area, yes, we are the same. As a result, we can't bench 185 pounds (I've never tried, but I'm sure I can't).

Kevin Durant is a badass basketball player, though. He couldn't bench 185 when he was averaging like 23 and 12 at Texas as a freshman. Why does it matter now?

[QUOTE=Loki]Well, I did it. I have no reason to lie, really -- it's not like I'm flapping about pressing 300+ pounds or something. 185 isn't [I]that[/I] big of a deal. And yeah, I've been told that I'm naturally strong; I'm also very broad-shouldered. If I lifted weights for a few years I'd probably look like DHoward, since everyone always thinks I lift as it is because of my chest/shoulders.[/QUOTE]

Well there you have it. Genetics helped you in your case. Durant doesnt have the makeup that you have. 185 is THAT big of a deal when you put someone on a bench who has never lifted weights before let alone that weight.

I gurantee that point alone would be proven if we could take the 17-19yr olds here who havent benched press. Heck throw in those who have but nothing consistent. Meaning they did it but havent done it for awhile. Throw 2 45's 2 25's on the bar and spot them...i bet you would be picking it up off thier chest. :roll: Bunch of Kevin Durants on that bench minus the game.

You're just naturally strong and probably would look like Van Sniffmuesen from Switzerland in the Strongest Man comp that come on espn.

[QUOTE=hippos]He better not go 1-8 from downtown in the NBA or he will never see the paint.

And why do you think he took 8 threes against MSU? :roll:[/QUOTE]
He took 8 threes because he's a shooter, and "shooters shoot." Why did you reply after you got busted, anyway? People should learn to shut up sometimes (or just don't post the bs to begin with).

[QUOTE=hippos]He better not go 1-8 from downtown in the NBA or he will never see the paint.

And why do you think he took 8 threes against MSU? :roll:[/QUOTE]Wow.

The kid had one bad shooting game. Fantastic. All hail Michigan State! :bowdown:

Must be because he's weak and not strong.....

[QUOTE=fatboy11]Kevin Durant is a badass basketball player, though. He couldn't bench 185 when he was averaging like 23 and 12 at Texas as a freshman. Why does it matter now?[/QUOTE]
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how a lack of upper body strength is going to so severely hold him back. Legs are actually far more important.

[QUOTE=fatboy11]Wow.

The kid had one bad shooting game. Fantastic. All hail Michigan State! :bowdown:

Must be because he's weak and not strong.....[/QUOTE]

Oden had lackluster games agaisnt MSU too.....I guess it was just a fluke.:rolleyes:

How did I get busted, Get Buckets? I said he was forced to take threes, Gobb disagreed. Where was I busted?:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=LakerRaider]Wow, you think I'm a representative of all Los Angeles Lakers fans??? Thank you for thinking so highly of me, but unfortunately I don't represent all Los Angeles Lakers fans. Now, quit responding to me and get back on topic.[/QUOTE]
I think you are representative of Laker fans that people love to hate. Now quit annoying people.

[QUOTE=hippos]Oden had lackluster games agaisnt MSU too.....I guess it was just a fluke.:rolleyes:

How did I get busted, Get Buckets? I said he was forced to take threes, Gobb disagreed. Where was I busted?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]Probably was seeing as how OSU won the Big Ten and went to the national championship game........

[QUOTE=fatboy11]Probably was seeing as how OSU won the Big Ten and went to the national championship game........[/QUOTE]

I'll let you take the easy road out. Have no time for guys that pretend to know about stuff they don't.

[QUOTE=fatboy11]Since you are too stupid to see what I'm saying.......

I don't lift weights. Kevin Durant probably doesn't lift weights. We don't lift weights. So in that area, yes, we are the same. As a result, we can't bench 185 pounds (I've never tried, but I'm sure I can't).

Kevin Durant is a badass basketball player, though. He couldn't bench 185 when he was averaging like 23 and 12 at Texas as a freshman. Why does it matter now?[/QUOTE]
I do not care whether he can lift the 185 so much. What concerns me is that he did not see this coming.

[QUOTE=hippos]He better not go 1-8 from downtown in the NBA or he will never see the paint.

And why do you think he took 8 threes against MSU? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Because he avg 6 3pt attempts per game as a freshman. And has shot 8 or more 3pt'ers 9 times last season. :confusedshrug:

His ball handling needs work. Does have Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tmac ball handling abilities yet. They are good but they need to be better to suit his athletic ability as he drives to the rim. And also whats married with ball handling can be his physical strength which is needed when he does decide to drive. His game will most likely mirror Dirk but he is more athletic so he wont look like a STIFF out there (like Dirk does dispite his performance). But neither will back you down, have a low post game (I like Durants fadeaway over Dirk 1 hop step crap) until Durant gets stronger.

Like i said I dont expect amazing things like many see as a rookie. We'll see what happens but i think his lack of strength will limit him until he gets stronger. Durant is a scorer and a good shooter but I dont see Ray Allen out there. So maybe Durant shoots shoots and shoots his rookie season like he is Ray Allen (his teammate to be hopefully) :confusedshrug:

We agree he isnt strong and needs to improve his ball handling. By year 3 he will be a lock as a top 10 player and more than likely arguably a top 5 player. Those are my expectations. Oden and Durant by year 3 = will do that.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I'm still waiting for someone to explain how a lack of upper body strength is going to so severely hold him back. Legs are actually far more important.[/QUOTE]

He avg 11rpg in college. His lack of upper body strength will come into play on the offensive and defensive glass when he tries to rebound.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Because he avg 6 3pt attempts per game as a freshman. And has shot 8 or more 3pt'ers 9 times last season. :confusedshrug:

His ball handling needs work. Does have Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tmac ball handling abilities yet. They are good but they need to be better to suit his athletic ability as he drives to the rim. And also whats married with ball handling can be his physical strength which is needed when he does decide to drive. His game will most likely mirror Dirk but he is more athletic so he wont look like a STIFF out there (like Dirk does dispite his performance). But neither will back you down, have a low post game (I like Durants fadeaway over Dirk 1 hop step crap) until Durant gets stronger.

Like i said I dont expect amazing things like many see as a rookie. We'll see what happens but i think his lack of strength will limit him until he gets stronger. Durant is a scorer and a good shooter but I dont see Ray Allen out there. So maybe Durant shoots shoots and shoots his rookie season like he is Ray Allen (his teammate to be hopefully) :confusedshrug:

We agree he isnt strong and needs to improve his ball handling. By year 3 he will be a lock as a top 10 player and more than likely arguably a top 5 player. Those are my expectations. Oden and Durant by year 3 = will do that.[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been saying all along. Will be forced to shoot a lot of jumpers and better hope they're falling. He will be very good in the future. End thread.

[QUOTE=hippos]I'll let you take the easy road out. Have no time for guys that pretend to know about stuff they don't.[/QUOTE]What are you trying to say then, man?

What kind of numbers do you think Durant is going to put up as a rookie?

[QUOTE=GOBB]Because he avg 6 3pt attempts per game as a freshman. And has shot 8 or more 3pt'ers 9 times last season. :confusedshrug:

His ball handling needs work. Does have Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tmac ball handling abilities yet. They are good but they need to be better to suit his athletic ability as he drives to the rim. And also whats married with ball handling can be his physical strength which is needed when he does decide to drive. His game will most likely mirror Dirk but he is more athletic so he wont look like a STIFF out there (like Dirk does dispite his performance). But neither will back you down, have a low post game (I like Durants fadeaway over Dirk 1 hop step crap) until Durant gets stronger.

Like i said I dont expect amazing things like many see as a rookie. We'll see what happens but i think his lack of strength will limit him until he gets stronger. Durant is a scorer and a good shooter but I dont see Ray Allen out there. So maybe Durant shoots shoots and shoots his rookie season like he is Ray Allen (his teammate to be hopefully) :confusedshrug:

We agree he isnt strong and needs to improve his ball handling. By year 3 he will be a lock as a top 10 player and more than likely arguably a top 5 player. Those are my expectations. Oden and Durant by year 3 = will do that.[/QUOTE]
I think that is being optimistic, but it would be great to see.

[QUOTE=hippos]Oden had lackluster games agaisnt MSU too.....I guess it was just a fluke.:rolleyes:

How did I get busted, Get Buckets? I said he was forced to take threes, Gobb disagreed. Where was I busted?:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You talked about how the MSU forwards made him play such a bad game when he had 21 points, 9 boards, and 4 blocks. HE was just off from three. You should knock off the nonsense.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]You talked about how the MSU forwards made him play such a bad game when he had 21 points, 9 boards, and 4 blocks. HE was just off from three. You should knock off the nonsense.[/QUOTE]

What nonesense. Why did he take 8 threes then? Is he just too stupid to know when he has a clear advantage then? Myabe GM's should be worried about his stupidity more than his athleticism.

[QUOTE=hippos]What nonesense. Why did he take 8 threes then? Is he just too stupid to know when he has a clear advantage then? Myabe GM's should be worried about his stupidity more than his athleticism.[/QUOTE]
That is my concern with the whole 'can't bench 185' thing. If he was too dumb to either get in the weight room for a few months or pass on the lift, then I would be concerned about his decision making ability.

Why is Durant's bench so important yet people ignore the fact that Greg Oden decline to take part?

[QUOTE=Loki]When I was 16-17 or so, I went with my friend in the morning's to the local gym. I was around 180 pounds at the time (I'm 6'1") and had never lifted a weight in my life, nor done much manual labor of any sort. I had no problem doing 2-3 sets of 10 reps at 185 pounds.

I mean, I agree with you that everyone's different, but [B]it's still pretty surprising that a guy who's in such great shape wouldn't be able to do it, since you'd think that he would have done other sorts of similar strength-building exercises over the years (push-ups, resistance training etc.) just by virtue of being active. I mean, not being able to do a set I can understand, but [i]one rep[/i][/B]?[/QUOTE]


exactly, it is very weird.

and Gobb, it is easy.

I love how people make excuses for a giant not being able to push a feather off his chest.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Why is Durant's bench so important yet people ignore the fact that Greg Oden decline to take part?[/QUOTE]


wrong

[QUOTE=GOBB]He avg 11rpg in college. His lack of upper body strength will come into play on the offensive and defensive glass when he tries to rebound.[/QUOTE]
He's probably not getting 11 boards no matter what, and even that is more about leg strength (and sheer hustle) anyway. Leg power is how you establish post position and how you get up in the air. The upper body strength does matter some but it's a lot less important overall.

[QUOTE=vert48]I think you are representative of Laker fans that people love to hate. Now quit annoying people.[/QUOTE]


Wow, then you think too highly of me. I'm flattered. I didn't know that you respect me so much. Thank you.

[QUOTE=hippos]What nonesense. Why did he take 8 threes then? Is he just too stupid to know when he has a clear advantage then? Myabe GM's should be worried about his stupidity more than his athleticism.[/QUOTE]
I forgot how determined you are to criticize Durant (and what lousy posts you make anyway). My mistake.
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Why is Durant's bench so important yet people ignore the fact that Greg Oden decline to take part?[/QUOTE]
Oden didn't do it because he didn't want to risk re-injuring his wrist. Do you really think he's weak? The guy is obviously powerful. I seriously would not care what Oden's bench is if I was a GM.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]exactly, it is very weird.

and Gobb, it is easy.

I love how people make excuses for a giant not being able to push a feather off his chest.[/QUOTE]

Make excuses? I couldnt bench press 185 when i first started lifting. Too me awhile. Fatboy cant bench 185.

Thats 2 people. How are we making excuses again? I've played basketball, baseball, soccer, boxed. I was always active in sports. Was unfamiliar with weight lifting. When i tried it i was horrible. Why is Durant exempt at age 19? We dont even know if he ever lifted before. No one lifts before HS generally. So from ages 14-18 we are gonna ASSume Durant did? :confusedshrug:

His own Head Coach said lifting weights was never a top priority or that big of a deal. Durant played 35 college games. August to March. Thats 8 months. The time frame is short. When Durant comes out and says "I've never lifted weights in HS" what are you gonna say? Sorry for shytting on him for not being able to push 185 off his chest once? :confusedshrug:

Sure eventually Durant will HAVE to get stronger and in essence he will be pushing 185 off his chest with ease. And getting stronger will better help him in the NBA to become an elite player. But that aside until he is taught how to lift, until he is on a weight training program...why diss the guy? Again Joe Schmoe isnt coming off the street and pushing off 185 once without ever lifting weights. Unless he is naturally strong and Durant isnt. Not an excuse its called a reality. Wake up.

[QUOTE=fatboy11]What are you trying to say then, man?

What kind of numbers do you think Durant is going to put up as a rookie?[/QUOTE]

On Seattle, he could put up a lot because Allen is the only scorer on that team.

18-20ppg/4-5rpg/1-2apg.

But say he he took Deng's spot on Chicago. He'd average about 14/6/2.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Make excuses? I couldnt bench press 185 when i first started lifting. Too me awhile. Fatboy cant bench 185.

Thats 2 people. How are we making excuses again? I've played basketball, baseball, soccer, boxed. I was always active in sports. Was unfamiliar with weight lifting. When i tried it i was horrible. Why is Durant exempt at age 19? We dont even know if he ever lifted before. No one lifts before HS generally. So from ages 14-18 we are gonna ASSume Durant did? :confusedshrug:

His own Head Coach said lifting weights was never a top priority or that big of a deal. Durant played 35 college games. August to March. Thats 8 months. The time frame is short. When Durant comes out and says "I've never lifted weights in HS" what are you gonna say? Sorry for shytting on him for not being able to push 185 off his chest once? :confusedshrug:

Sure eventually Durant will HAVE to get stronger and in essence he will be pushing 185 off his chest with ease. And getting stronger will better help him in the NBA to become an elite player. But that aside until he is taught how to lift, until he is on a weight training program...why diss the guy? Again Joe Schmoe isnt coming off the street and pushing off 185 once without ever lifting weights. Unless he is naturally strong and Durant isnt. Not an excuse its called a reality. Wake up.[/QUOTE]

Wow, ride on the righteous bus with Gobb...

first of all I never said it will drop him below two, I simply said it is amazing, and it is.

the guy is a world class athlete, bench 185 is easy (sorry Gobb and Fatboy you guys must be unathletic) it is pathetic he cant do it once. Yes PATHETIC.

If you guys dont find this a little shocking I guess you have VERY low expectations of your future superstars

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Wow, ride on the righteous bus with Gobb...

first of all I never said it will drop him below two, I simply said it is amazing, and it is.

the guy is a world class athlete, bench 185 is easy (sorry Gobb and Fatboy you guys must be unathletic) it is pathetic he cant do it once. Yes PATHETIC.

If you guys dont find this a little shocking I guess you have VERY low expectations of your future superstars[/QUOTE]

World class athlete? :roll: Please explain this one. He's a f*cking basketball player.


And this is why i dont bone big bytches. I cant handle all that weight. But you and LOKI can...so have alllllllll the BBW's you want. :lol:

[QUOTE=GOBB]World class athlete? :roll: Please explain this one. He's a f*cking basketball player.


And this is why i dont bone big bytches. I cant handle all that weight. But you and LOKI can...so have alllllllll the BBW's you want. :lol:[/QUOTE]



post of the day.





back to the topic: Durant is still too athletically gifted to fall out of the NBA or ride the pine.

however, he simply will not become a future All Star, as so many people have pointed out, unless he bulks up, which in a year or two, he can get big enough. he does not have a wave of publicity like KG did entering the league.

95% of men can lift 185:roll: where did you here that?

For one thing most people don't even lift weight. Maybe 15-20% of the population do and most of them don't lift enough to brag. Second of all when i was in college we had 50 kids in circuit training class and we were all in the 5'10-6'2 range and about 10-15 could lift 185, maybe 5 or 6 did it with out a problem and the other 10 struggled. The other 35 guys couldn't do it. FYI you're opinon on lifting is flawed right there.

And hypothetically if i saw a 6ft guy come into a gym and couldn't lift 185 I wouldn't look down on him on, i'd be suprised if he could lift 185 in fact. Hypothetically that is..

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Oden didn't do it because he didn't want to risk re-injuring his wrist. Do you really think he's weak? The guy is obviously powerful. I seriously would not care what Oden's bench is if I was a GM.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but I think that's BS.

Dude was medically cleared to play ball in Nov. and has had full range of motion on his wrist since Jan. yet we should ignore his not doing the bench cause he "looks" like he could do it???

Seems a little unfair to criticize Durant for his bench performance and totally ignore Oden's not taking part.