Yi or Noah?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]How does this guy have more "upside?" No one knows a thing about him and he won't consent to working out against other players. There is nothing anyone has said about Yi Jianlian that has not been said about Nikolov Skitishvili. With so little data to go on I don't see how people can seriously predict anything about this guy.[/QUOTE]

One thing that will help his draft stock is that he is very confident in himself, is sociable and is a hard worker.

Many times a scout will worry about a "potential" player from a different country because they can lose confidence quickly and never push themselves to be better or they can be a Chariev type and think the world is theirs without ever doing ****.

Jianlian is very confident, is "Americanized' in a sense and for a lack of a better term and knows he has to work very hard to tap into his potential. You can't groom these kinds of things into a player.

That's why Bargnani will be great too. He "knows" he'll be great and puts in the work to make it a reality. He's not a very social person, but isn't afraid of the attention either.

I'll take Noah in a heartbeat. Yi won't be a total bust; he'll be a solid rotation player. I could very well see Noah as one of the best role players in the game/minor star (similar to Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince (obviously he's not a SF, but the same kind of contributor in different ways))

[QUOTE=BlackMoses]I'll take Noah in a heartbeat. Yi won't be a total bust; he'll be a solid rotation player. I could very well see Noah as one of the best role players in the game/minor star (similar to Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince (obviously he's not a SF, but the same kind of contributor in different ways))[/QUOTE]

Noah is Anderson Varajao.

[QUOTE=hippos]lets break it down

Noah has 2 nca titles- point?

Yi has a nike contract- point?

Yi has a good jump shot- No team is picking him based soley on his jumper.

Noah has a crapy one that can easily be blocked- Noah's shot is average, not crappy. His technique is what's crappy.

Yi is 7 feet tall and flexible like a guard- great for being a gymnast. Not going to matter much if he can't handle the ball or is fast enough to take advantage of his athleticism.

Noah is 6-10 with wild hair and legs like a deer- pointless once again.

Yi scored 25 points 10 rebounds- against 5 foot yellow people?

Noah got 13 points 8 rebounds per- on one of the most balanced teams in NCAA history.

YI loses.

I like Yi, don't get me wrong, but the reasons you gave where too vague and mostly stupid. Noah is and always will be better.[/QUOTE]
Any rookie that has a nike contractract is gonna get the draft edge

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]Any rookie that has a nike contractract is gonna get the draft edge[/QUOTE]

Was that a serious statement?

yes sir and i'll put my cards on it next season when he does good

Yi, no question.


Noah = Varejao.

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]yes sir and i'll put my cards on it next season when he does good[/QUOTE]

You're basing his future NBA success on a Nike shoe deal?

Maybe it's because I've never read any of Hawkers or the other stupid people on ISH's posts that makes this statement so shocking.

I really have never read something like this before.

I don't know what to make of it really.

I've looked at this from all angles and can only come to one conclusion.

















































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[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]Any rookie that has a nike contractract is gonna get the draft edge[/QUOTE]


i don't plan on using emoticons often but...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

how about before you laugh show me a player sponsored by nike that sucks. then after you find out none of them suck compare the worse one with noah and then start laughing =)

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]how about before you laugh show me a player sponsored by nike that sucks. then after you find out none of them suck compare the worse one with noah and then start laughing =)[/QUOTE]

What was your favourite game in Yi career so far? Which of those great games of his convinced Nike to sign him do you think?

i am saying that i would pick a player sponsored by nike over a player like noah any day... i did not say i watch chinese sports if i did then i obviously wouldnt be an nba fan... but if you insist i have heard Yi has 3 china titles but to me china basketball is weak in comparison to usa basketball IE Olympics. The guy was averaging 25 points 10 rebounds per game....

,[QUOTE=Agent_Zero]Yi, no question.


Noah = Varejao.[/QUOTE]
And.. that's a bad thing? Noah's similar to Andy?

I agree with your take on Yi, but if that's the reason why you don't think Noah's better than thats just plain raw.

Varejao provides hustle and energy and if you don't think that's important in the league or to his team, think again.

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]i am saying that i would pick a player sponsored by nike over a player like noah any day... i did not say i watch chinese sports if i did then i obviously wouldnt be an nba fan... but if you insist i have heard Yi has 3 china titles but to me china basketball is weak in comparison to usa basketball IE Olympics. The guy was averaging 25 points 10 rebounds per game....[/QUOTE]

I already stated that 25/10 against stunted men that eat rice 24/7 (very brittle) is nothing special.

Nike isn't a scout buddy.

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]lets break it down

Noah has 2 nca titles

Yi has a nike contract

Yi has a good jump shot

Noah has a crapy one that can easily be blocked

Yi is 7 feet tall and flexible like a guard

Noah is 6-10 with wild hair and legs like a deer

Yi scored 25 points 10 rebounds

Noah got 13 points 8 rebounds per

YI wins[/QUOTE]


25 points and 10 rebounds in the CBA is would be easy for most NBA lottery prospects.

we can argue till we die i'll just save face and go with my intuition.
Tall bruce lee > afro thunder with deer legs

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]we can argue till we die i'll just save face and go with my intuition.
Tall bruce lee > afro thunder with deer legs[/QUOTE]

Dude, paint Jianlian black and he fits right in with those buffalo hunters in Kenya who win all of those Boston Marathons.:roll:

So there's no point dissing Noah's figure.

also 25 and 10 is good even if its in china

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]also 25 and 10 is good even if its in china[/QUOTE]

No it's not. Pape Sow dominated the NBDL and he can't play 5 minutes in the NBA.

Give me the asian. Even though all the comparison are saying KeVin Garnett in reality he's alot like Chris Bosh.

Has the ability to knock down shots out to about 18 feet when he's in a static position. That ability added to his quickness will allow him to drive to the basket against most of the guys that will defend him.

He will also have the same problem as Bosh. When guarded by SF's with better than average size cause he will no longer be able to get around them for a drive to the basket and doesn't have a strong enough low post game to take advantage consistently.

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]No it's not. Pape Sow dominated the NBDL and he can't play 5 minutes in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
No he didn't. He had a handful of good games and that was it.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]No he didn't. He had a handful of good games and that was it.[/QUOTE]

Then he returned to the Raptors.

Wow. I just had a look at Yao Ming's stats from his last season in cba

32ppg (.721 FG) 19.0 rpg 2apg

[QUOTE=hippos]Then he returned to the Raptors.[/QUOTE]
And that has what to do with the bogus claim that Sow dominated the D-League?

[QUOTE=Da KO King]And that has what to do with the bogus claim that Sow dominated the D-League?[/QUOTE]

He domintated the NBDL while playing in the NBDL. Simple.

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]He domintated the NBDL while playing in the NBDL. Simple.[/QUOTE]
A handful of big games is domination now? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Da KO King]A handful of big games is domination now? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Yes, some of the games were huge.

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]Some of what his potential would be is like Tim Thomas. I'll take a defensive maniac who gets boards, runs the floor well and can dish on offense over Tim Thomas any day.[/QUOTE]


He's a 7fter that can shoot, put the ball on the floor, and is very aggressive. His potential could be Dirk or KG. Also if a 7ft Tim Thomas wasn't a nut case, he'd be pretty damned good. I'd take that over a skinny Eduardo Najera like Noah could turn out to be.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5HR4sK0tl6w[/url]

Here is an interview of Yi, His English sounds pretty good. . He might practice his words before the interview but it was still very impressive for an international player who's never lived in an English speaking country . He must be quite smart and a fast learner too, I think he will get adjusted to the NBA and American life style fairly easily.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=6fVJpeo7PvE[/url]

against an NBA player

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=6fVJpeo7PvE[/url]

against an NBA player[/QUOTE]

Don't come in here with one clip fool. By your logic Baby Shaq should be a top 20 player next year with what he did against the US last year.

Again, I think Jianlian will not be a bust. Read my other post where I give reasons why he won't be. BUT, Noah will still be better.

I'd take Yi. Yi will never be able to defend Shaqs and Duncans in the NBA but he's a very good athlete with solid fundamentals, and has a chance to be a star in the league. Bargnani can't defend Shaq but it doesn't mean that he won't be a good player in the future.

Being a native Korean and a regular viewer of the CBA that stands for Chinese Basketball Association, I've seen Yi a lot, and I certainly know that he won't be like Skita who was very poorly coordinated. Yi actually doesn't play like Skita at all, Yi's go-to move is a turnaround jumper in the 8-10 feet range and he's deadly from there. If I had to make a comparison to a current NBA player, Pau Gasol immediately comes to mind without even thinking twice, and with some of Rasheed Wallace as well. Yi needs to be a better defender by gaining his upper body strength though as in one game I've seen him getting outplayed and outmuscled in the paint by Olumide Oyedeji.

As for Noah, I think he is an ok prospect with a shot at being a solid rotation player but I don't see him being a full-time starter in the league. His lack of post moves is one thing that will prevent me from selecting him high in the lottery.

[QUOTE]the CBA that stands for Chinese Basketball Association,[/QUOTE]

Are you serious?

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]Are you serious?[/QUOTE]
Yes, why not? CBA is the 2nd most watched basketball league in the world, and lots of former NBA players have played there, ie Chris Porter, Roy Tarpley etc.

No, it's just funny that you thought you needed to tell us what CBA stood for.

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]No, it's just funny that you thought you needed to tell us what CBA stood for.[/QUOTE]
Ah, ok. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Human Error]I'd take Yi. Yi will never be able to defend Shaqs and Duncans in the NBA but he's a very good athlete with solid fundamentals, and has a chance to be a star in the league. Bargnani can't defend Shaq but it doesn't mean that he won't be a good player in the future.

Being a native Korean and a regular viewer of the CBA that stands for Chinese Basketball Association, I've seen Yi a lot, and I certainly know that he won't be like Skita who was very poorly coordinated. Yi actually doesn't play like Skita at all, Yi's go-to move is a turnaround jumper in the 8-10 feet range and he's deadly from there. If I had to make a comparison to a current NBA player, Pau Gasol immediately comes to mind without even thinking twice, and with some of Rasheed Wallace as well. Yi needs to be a better defender by gaining his upper body strength though as in one game I've seen him getting outplayed and outmuscled in the paint by Olumide Oyedeji.

As for Noah, I think he is an ok prospect with a shot at being a solid rotation player but I don't see him being a full-time starter in the league. His lack of post moves is one thing that will prevent me from selecting him high in the lottery.[/QUOTE]

Human Error this is an informed intelligent post that I agree with


by the way he said Chinese bball assoc. so we knew he wasnt refering to the 73 other CBA's in the world

[QUOTE=G-train]by the way he said Chinese bball assoc. so we knew he wasnt refering to the 73 other CBA's in the world[/QUOTE]
I find this hilarious. WTH was I thinking? :hammerhead:

I would draft Yi.

Better Athlete..more marketable. Longer, taller.

[QUOTE=clayton]Yi. Big, fast, any position.[/QUOTE]


ahh yess just the way i like my girls hehhe:pimp: