How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Spurs that year, two all stars. Memphis.... wait for it...... 0 :roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3]Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.[/QUOTE]

Mike Brown learned under Pop and was the assistant coach on a Spurs' championship team :biggums:


Mo 2009 - 18/3/4
Manu 2009 - 16/5/4

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Spurs that year, two all stars. Memphis.... wait for it...... 0 :roll:[/QUOTE]
Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Mike Brown learned under Pop and was the assistant coach on a Spurs' championship team :biggums:


Mo 2009 - 18/3/4
Manu 2009 - 16/5/4[/QUOTE]
Damn Kobe surely won a ring with Mike Brown then considering he had two all star bigs by his side, right?


:yaohappy:




Lol at equating Mo Williams with prime Manu.



LeBron joining your hero’s team has completely devastated your mind and causes you to say ridiculous shit you don’t even believe in a desperate attempt to make your idol look better.

Wait up....LeTards actually think Lebron can work with a legendary coach and adapt to their system? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: [IMG]https://media.tenor.com/images/fd2d00ba338d5b87d1ccff7817bcb4c8/tenor.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.[/QUOTE]
Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.[/QUOTE]
You

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Ben Wallace, Big Z and Mo Williams allstars. If we are going to count Manu and Parker.[/QUOTE]

Fair is fair.

[QUOTE=RRR3]You

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Mo Williams was an actual star, Big Z made the team before Lebron came in the league and also made it again in Lebron's 2nd year [B]proving he turned Lebron into a star[/B]. Ben Wallace was only 33 how was he washed up?[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

You gonna respond to the legitimate points or gonna take in the ass and pretend it isn't there with a laugh?

[QUOTE=FKAri]Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >[/QUOTE]
:roll: Say it aint so! Timothy Duncan lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS and ZERO PLAYOFF WINS

IS THIS EVEN TRU OR ARE WE MAKING THIS UP

Lebron got swept by me and then lost in 5 with a stacked team with 2 other allstars.

[QUOTE=FKAri]You lost to as the #1 seed in the 1st round to a team with ZERO ALL STARS. You're also a cowardly homosexual who was advised by his agent to stay in the phucking closet :lol[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2243021720_05c36be1b7_o.jpg[/IMG] :roll:

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser. [B]Lebron was the MVP [/B]and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA. Again Lebron lost with HCA and had Ben Wallace as well the only guy on a team that was an allstar that won it all.[/QUOTE]

I had completely forgotten that he was the MVP that year. How is that even possible to lose to Dwight Howard? Would have been great to see Kobe vs Lebron in the Finals. MVP and still lost.

[QUOTE=FKAri]Wait a second. Hold up. Just WAIT ONE SECOND HERE...




Timothy Duncan, the-cowardly-still-closeted-homosexual, lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS?
:roll: :roll: :roll:



And come out of the damn closet already phaggit!
Hakeem >[/QUOTE]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[quote=ClipperRevival]Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.[/quote]



Of course. They're grasping at straws. Up next they'll nitpick even further; they'll figure out MJ missed every 3rd quarter shot on the road at the 4:09 mark on Tuesdays. Lebron will have made 1 of those, so of course that'll mean he's better.


Again kids...sorry you didn't get to see the GOAT live or in person as I have.
Career 30.1 PPG (all time leader) on 50% shooting.

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[QUOTE=jstern]I had completely forgotten that he was the MVP that year. How is that even possible to lose to Dwight Howard? Would have been great to see Kobe vs Lebron in the Finals. MVP and still lost.[/QUOTE]
Agreed! Maybe he was just afraid of Kobe.

The entire decade was peppered with guys in the East taking weak casts to the Finals, and Lebron should be knocked for letting 2 of those opportunities slip away in 09' and 10'... As the favorite no less.. he ceded those runs to Dwight and an old/injured, 50-win celtics team

[QUOTE=And1AllDay]:roll: Say it aint so! Timothy Duncan lost as a FIRST seed to an EIGTH seed that had ZERO ALL STARS and ZERO PLAYOFF WINS

IS THIS EVEN TRU OR ARE WE MAKING THIS UP[/QUOTE]

Shit :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=3ball]The entire decade was peppered with guys in the East taking weak casts to the Finals, and Lebron should be knocked for letting 2 of those opportunities slip away in 09' and 10'... As the favorite no less.. he ceded those runs to Dwight and an old/injured, 50-win celtics team[/QUOTE]

0-6 vs Bird :(
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

Want more? :lol

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

0-6 vs Bird :(

[/Quote]
8-6 when both had an all-star teammate


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

10.7 ppg second option opponents

[/QUOTE]

[I][SIZE="3"]Stockton was the 2nd best player, and he was a superior 2nd guy to anyone lebron ever faced:[/SIZE][/I]


[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg[/IMG]


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

[/QUOTE]
Lebron needed more help to win 3 rings because he only averaged [B]27.2 and 7.2 apg[/B] in the 12/13/16 playoffs versus [B]33.7 and 6.6[/B] for MJ in 91-93' playoffs

[I]So either lebron needed more help to win, or his rings required less production to win.. :confusedshrug: [/I]

Furthermore, for their first 3 rings, both MJ and lebron averaged 7 apg to lead their team, but MJ led his team in scoring/clutch by goat amounts, while lebron needed a near-equal scoring partner and better clutch partner

lebron also needs way more help because he needs a team willing to sacrifice teammate/team assists and brand of ball so he can dominate the ball and get assists - it's a fact that teammates see their assists crater next to him, while the team has low assist rankings and gets massively out-assisted in the championship


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

1-9 before Daddy Pippen

[/Quote]
Jordan's 1-9 was an overachievement because most young players on bad teams don't make the playoffs their first few years, like Lebron or Kyrie, and play poorly against championship comp several times once they make it, like lebron from 07-11'

But MJ made the playoffs right away and had goat performance (63), so his 1-9 record is irrelevant and doesn't require the obvious explanation - he was facing a Warriors-level team with a young 8 seed, yet still did better than lebron's sweeps and record defeat with veteran 2 seeds in 07/14/17/18 Finals (2-16 record)

And Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team in 05'.. Whereas MJ never missed the playoffs when he had elite athleticism, and only had 1st round exits with 8 seeds, while Lebron's 9 seeds missed the 8 vs 1 matchup in 04 and 05'

I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit


• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)

[/Quote]
No one lost by more than lebron (he has 2 record defeats)

And lebron is winless in more playoff series than MJ, including two 4-0 sweeps (MJ was never swept 4-0)


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls

[/Quote]
Lebron missed the playoffs before Hughes and Brown came to the Cavs


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)

[/Quote]
Stockton was the #2 player on the jazz and a better #2 than anyone lebron [url=http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg]ever faced[/url]

He was also the Shaq/Duncan killer and alpha of those jazz teams (Malone was beta).. [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]At 40, Stockton led the jazz to the playoffs after starting all 82 games[[/COLOR][/B]


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)

[/Quote]
MJ did more to win three rings (33/7) than lebron (27/7)..

They both led their teams with 7 apg, but MJ had to score 10-20 more than his 2nd option to win all Finals (1-man show), while lebron enjoyed an equal scoring partner and closer


[QUOTE=TheCorporation]

MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

[/QUOTE]
[U]Gamescore thru 3 games (3-0)[/U]

[Indent]Jordan. - [url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/#134-136-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs]23.7[/url]
S Kemp - [url=https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01/gamelog/1996/#57-59-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs]19.6[/url][/indent]


:oldlol: ... That's why MJ won MVP - by far the best player when the series was in the balance.. that how they award these things ya know
.

Dwight Howard a career loser beat Lebron James without HCA.
Lebron embarrassed the USA twice winning bronze medals. Lebron has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 including 5 years in a row with HCA and lost 3 years in a row with HCA. Lebron James got outplayed by Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala as well of course Kevin Durant multiple times. Even in 2012, Durant 31 ppg on 55% FG and Lebron 29 ppg on 47% FG.

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

How do you let two average guys at your position light you up(shard and hedo)?

[QUOTE=Bawkish;13648526]Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala[/QUOTE]

These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;14032435]These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Not Dwight, but Dirk, Parker, and Igoudola

So Lebron couldn't beat Dwight with HCA and thus needed him to get by Jokic.

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;13642341]0-6 vs Bird :(
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

Want more? :lol[/QUOTE]

Daaamn I stayed cooking these bois

Good refresher

Losing record to Bird, Hakeem, Malone, Isiah Thomas

[QUOTE=Bawkish;13648526]Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala[/QUOTE]

Imagine losing to Dwight Howard while you had HCA. :oldlol:

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 :lol)
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

Guys?

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

[QUOTE]Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away[/QUOTE]

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol

[QUOTE=tpols;14165635]Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol[/QUOTE]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/Zqsf4JHr/Records4dayz.png[/img]

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/KjvNn2fH/Nothing_Finer.png[/img]

How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?

[QUOTE=tpols;14165635]Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

:lol[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;pbIR51_J_qY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbIR51_J_qY&ab_channel=UrbanGraffixMedia[/video]