Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[QUOTE=AirBonner]And vice-versa.[/QUOTE]


Don't worry. I'll give you a detailed analysis. What happens if I exclude this or that. It won't change the outcome as much as you guys think.

The more votes the better.

41 votes so far.
Total points 312
Average: 7,6

If GOAT and Not top 15 votes excluded:

25 votes
total points: 161
average. 6,4

fringe top 10

Firmly anywhere from 7-9 For sure.

The athletic freaks makes everyone's list (Shaq, wilt and etc)

Top 10ish

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Top 10ish[/QUOTE]


Same here.

He's barely top 10 by ISH's standards, and this is the most pro-Lebron place on the Internet. Big yikes.

After 45 votes:

total points: 337
average: 7.5


goat and not top 15 votes excluded:

votes: 29
total points: 186
average: 6.4


So far... LeBron is number 7ish.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]After 45 votes:

total points: 337
average: 7.5


goat and not top 15 votes excluded:

votes: 29
total points: 186
average: 6.4


So far... LeBron is number 7ish.[/QUOTE]


you act like this is a scientific poll

:lol

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]you act like this is a scientific poll

:lol[/QUOTE]
every list has lebron in top5, why u so surprised here?

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]you act like this is a scientific poll

:lol[/QUOTE]


I sure do. All 'opinion' polls are like this. 46 answers aren't enough. Were there 46,000...

[QUOTE=zeerghit]every list has lebron in top5, why u so surprised here?[/QUOTE]


And those lists are created by a single person. Or by 5 people. And being pushed down your throat. By 'experts'.

Opinions are opinions. There are no experts on opinions.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]And those lists are created by a single person. Or by 5 people. And being pushed down your throat. By 'experts'.

Opinions are opinions. There are no experts on opinions.[/QUOTE]
well so how about realgm? guys really put work in analysis.. is this crap too? or we gonna go with kenneth espn first take poll?
im just saying.. its all good to have ur own opinion, but this site is full of f*cking alts/haters

[QUOTE=zeerghit]every list has lebron in top5, why u so surprised here?[/QUOTE]
Every list (mainstream media) doesn't consider how style of play affects team development and teamwork

So they don't realize that lebron's game is suboptimal (an inadequate substitute for ball movement) and doesn't result in dominant teams, regardless of cast.

The reason his teams were worse than bird/mj etc. is because he sucks compared to them.. their teams would demolish him just like Curry's and Duncan's.. lebron-ball is just inferior, and sucks compared to dynasty brands of ball (ball movement)

it's Lebron and Jordan at the top

[QUOTE=3ball]Every list (mainstream media) doesn't consider how style of play affects team development and teamwork

So they don't realize that lebron's game is suboptimal (an inadequate substitute for ball movement) and doesn't result in dominant teams, regardless of cast.

The reason his teams were worse than bird/mj etc. is because he sucks compared to them.. their teams would demolish him just like Curry's and Duncan's.. lebron-ball is just inferior, and sucks compared to dynasty brands of ball (ball movement)[/QUOTE]
dude dont quote me again, i said u two times i will say u again 3rd time, i will not talk with u, unless u gonna take out that mj dick out of ur mouth, have a nice day.

I have him at #3 behind MJ and Kareem

[QUOTE=zeerghit]well so how about realgm? guys really put work in analysis.. is this crap too? or we gonna go with kenneth espn first take poll?
im just saying.. its all good to have ur own opinion, but this site is full of f*cking alts[/QUOTE]


Yes, all anonymous polls are skewed. If you have more votes you can filter the data. At 46 votes... you can't really filter.

If you need stats you can always go to basketball reference. All stats are there.

You are here for opinions. What you like can not be measured or quantified.

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Look I’m not trying to be a dick but you’re a bit of a moron if you honestly believe gun to your head sure that LeBron isn’t one of the 15 best basketball players of all time...

Like you’re either legitimately a borderline moron or your Kobe/Lakers bias has been so incredibly deep for so long that you can’t put together a rational thought...

You can’t find a single player, GM, coach, scout or media member that will honestly tell you in their heart of hearts that he isn’t top 15.[/QUOTE]
Kid, one day you'll learn that the facts don't matter.. all that matters is who APPEARED to have won or have the upper hand

Perception is reality

And the reality is that numerous fans think lebron isn't top 10 or 15..........whereas almost NO ONE thinks that of MJ, not even Manny98.

So MJ is goat regardless of even if he isn't.. he just is

15 people said top 15 and outside that's how you know this forum is trash :roll:

[QUOTE=Manny98]15 people said top 15 and outside that's how you know this forum is trash :roll:[/QUOTE]
it would be nice to know theese better 15 players

[QUOTE=3ball]Kid, one day you'll learn that the facts don't matter.. all that matters is who APPEARED to have won or have the upper hand

Perception is reality

And the reality is that numerous fans think lebron isn't top 10 or 15..........whereas almost NO ONE thinks that of MJ, not even Manny98.

So MJ is goat regardless of even if he isn't.. he just is[/QUOTE]

What the **** are you talking about?

I didn’t say anything about LeBron being the goat nor did I say anything about Jordan whatsoever. Not a word to do with anything about Jordan. Nothing.

I said you would have to be a moron not to believe LeBron is a top 15 player of all time... and you would.

Fans are often stupid and emotional and irrational.

The fact remains that you can’t find a single GM, coach or player in NBA history that would tell you LeBron isn’t top 15.

Not one... not a single guy out of thousands of people would tell you that dumb shit, you dumb shit.

I got MJ, Magic and Bird as my top 3. Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Kobe and LeBron I don't really care for what order they come in after that. Roughly at 5 for me.

He's on the 20th-25th range.

[QUOTE=bullettooth]I got MJ, Magic and Bird as my top 3. Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Kobe and LeBron I don't really care for what order they come in after that. Roughly at 5 for me.[/QUOTE]
Bird and Magic over LeBron lol kill yourself

IMO... Highest possible rank is 4. Lowest possible is 8. So I guess top 5 is reasonable.

[QUOTE=bullettooth]I got MJ, Magic and Bird as my top 3. Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Kobe and LeBron I don't really care for what order they come in after that. Roughly at 5 for me.[/QUOTE]
im really surprised that ur list doesnt suck so bad

Can't vote in the poll, but I have him no.5 with
#1 MJ
#2 BIRD
#3 MAGIC
#4 KOBE

After 54 votes:

total points: 391
average: 7.24


goat and not top 15 votes excluded:

votes: 34
total points: 221
average: 6.5


So far... LeBron is still number 7ish.

as you can see, ish is an emotional place.

remove the 11 votes saying outside top 15 and maybe you get some semblance of realism :lol (top 3 being universal standard)

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]as you can see, ish is an emotional place.

remove the 11 votes saying outside top 15 and maybe you get some semblance of realism :lol (top 3 being universal standard)[/QUOTE]


If I remove only those and keep the goat votes (unrealistic but whatever):


44 votes
231 points
average: 5,25

Not that big a change. 6-7 range from ISH votes. Number five at most. Number 8 at worst.

Not a bad poll.

I said top 10ish. Realistically for me... anywhere between 7-11 among players I saw playing (since 1980).

Jordan
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Hakeem
Shaq

All better. That's 6. Now:

Duncan
LeBron
Barkley
Kobe
Erwing


Whichever order I don't care. That's 7th or 11th place for LeBron. And then we have

Russell
Wilt
Oscar

So for LeBron top 10 ish is just fine. On my lists you may argue one player. Barkley. That's it.

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]
We

Top 5 bare minimum. I'd probably put him around 3 or 4 for now, probably locking up the #2 spot after retirement.

[QUOTE=Manny98]15 people said top 15 and outside that's how you know this forum is trash :roll:[/QUOTE]
Kenneth's alts don't count :oldlol:

[QUOTE=zeerghit]im really surprised that ur list doesnt suck so bad[/QUOTE]

Trolling LeBron nut[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]uggers doesn't mean I don't know my basketball.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]The reality is that accomplishments' novelty wears off after time. Players are only ranked accurately after they're retired.[/QUOTE]

Jerry West's legacy is pretty bad, so LeBron is going to drop like a rock 10 years from now. All those finals losses on his resume are going to look terrible. He won't be Jerry West level, but he'll likely be ranked closer to Wilt.

Fringe top 10.

Media likes to overhype longevity stats. Players/coaches see him for the team hopping quitter that he is.

I have him in the top 15 currently, but honestly he might slip if he continues being exposed on the Lakers.

I just don't see much to separate Lebron from guys like Jerry West or Karl Malone.

[QUOTE=bullettooth]Jerry West's legacy is pretty bad, so LeBron is going to drop like a rock 10 years from now. All those finals losses on his resume are going to look terrible. He won't be Jerry West level, but he'll likely be ranked closer to Wilt.[/QUOTE]

I don't like Lebron, but the guy has 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs. Not compareable to West.

[QUOTE=zeerghit]so u can put lets say top50, numbers is getting inflated, i really dont know is this correct word im saying but i think u get the point?[/QUOTE]

No there are things like variance and standard deviation if you have enough data. 1 vote can't skew a poll of 50 votes.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]I don't like Lebron, but the guy has 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs. Not compareable to West.[/QUOTE]

Did you read my full comment?