The only thing Wade was closest to was early 80s Jordan.

And that's from a physical standpoint.

No other player was more similar to Jordan than Kobe. Mainly because Kobe aped his game. Bean's entire arsenal resemebled 96-98 Jordan minus the mental (Mike was always the smarter player). Throw in 'prettier' handles plus the 3PT shot, and you could argue Kobe was more skilled.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The only thing Wade was closest to was early 80s Jordan.

And that's from a physical standpoint.

No other player was more similar to Jordan than Kobe. Mainly because Kobe aped his game. Bean's entire arsenal resemebled 96-98 Jordan minus the mental (Mike was always the smarter player). Throw in 'prettier' handles plus the 3PT shot, and you could argue Kobe was more skilled.[/QUOTE]

A 2009 Wade is pretty easily the closest any SG has ever come to being as good as a peak MJ.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Clearly you barely even watched Jordan if you think Kobe is closer to a prime MJ than Wade is. Also, become better at math. Kobe had "multiple" seasons where he shot at least 35% from 3pt land? He has exactly 4 in 20 seasons. I don't think anyone would call shooting above 35% for twenty percent of your career impressive. Imbecile.[/QUOTE]

For starters, LEARN to comprhend shit! My point was IN COMPARISON to what MJ was doing from 3ball land, Kobe was a BETTER 3 point shooter! I NEVER SAID in general Kobe was a very good-great three point shooter over the long haul! Secondly, does your BITCH ASS know what fundamentals-technical skills are???? Ole HOE ASS! I said Wade was very similar to MJ himself. Shit even said his athletic ability is more similar to MJ.

BUT in terms of fundamentals-technical shit, Kobe was CLOSER to MJ. Size wise, Kobe was CLOSER to MJ! Wade functioned more as SG-PG type. MJ and Kobe functioned more as SG-SF who COULD ALSO run the point if they had too. And FINALLY both DOMIANTED within the triangle offense at an EPIC LEVEL! Which adds to even MORE CREDIBILITY in terms of how similar they are!

Bottom line shit.... MJ and Kobe WERE COMPARED MORE FAVORABLY than MJ and Wade. IF Wade was SO SIMILAR to MJ, then why do MANY PEOPLE consider Kobe the superior player peak-prime wise to Wade???? If Wade was the CLOSEST THING to peak MJ, THEN Wade would be seen as better than Kobe BY EVERYBODY!!! Because MJ HANDS DOWN is the best player to EVER TOUCH THE ROCK!!! Now go talk hoops at the little kids table with your dumb ass!!!!

[QUOTE=iamgine]Well sometimes doctors prescribe the wrong meds, or say something wrong, or being a pedo like Larry Nassar. Does that mean you'd take a Walmart janitor's word over doctors? Of course not. In general you trust doctors more than non doctors over medical stuff. The same applies here.[/QUOTE]
What an absolutely horrid analogy:facepalm

[QUOTE=Smoke117]A 2009 Wade is pretty easily the closest any SG has ever come to being as good as a peak MJ.[/QUOTE]

In some peripheral aspects, maybe.

Overall?

2006-2008 Kobe was there with him.

[QUOTE=bizil]For starters, LEARN to comprhend shit! My point was IN COMPARISON to what MJ was doing from 3ball land, Kobe was a BETTER 3 point shooter! I NEVER SAID in general Kobe was a very good-great three point shooter over the long haul! Secondly, does your BITCH ASS know what fundamentals-technical skills are???? Ole HOE ASS! I said Wade was very similar to MJ himself. Shit even said his athletic ability is more similar to MJ.

BUT in terms of fundamentals-technical shit, Kobe was CLOSER to MJ. Size wise, Kobe was CLOSER to MJ! Wade functioned more as SG-PG type. MJ and Kobe functioned more as SG-SF who COULD ALSO run the point if they had too. And FINALLY both DOMIANTED within the triangle offense at an EPIC LEVEL! Which adds to even MORE CREDIBILITY in terms of how similar they are!

Bottom line shit.... MJ and Kobe WERE COMPARED MORE FAVORABLY than MJ and Wade. [B] And peak-prime wise, IF Wade was SO SIMILAR to Kobe, then why do MANY PEOPLE consider Kobe the superior player peak-prime wise????[/B] If Wade was the CLOSEST THING to peak MJ THEN Wade HANDS DOWN would be seen better than Kobe peak-pirme wise BY EVERYBODY!!! Because peak-prime MJ HANDS DOWN is the best player to EVER TOUCH THE ROCK!!! Now go talk hoops at the little kids table with your dumb ass!!!![/QUOTE]

Because casual fans are stupid and they make up the majority of opinions. Anyone who knows what they are talking about knows a peak Wade was better than a peak Kobe. You're boring. Goodbye.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]In some peripheral aspects, maybe.

Overall?

2006-2008 Kobe was there with him.[/QUOTE]

Cringe. 2006 Kobe? Who played zero defense while 2009 Wade was arguably the best defensive player at his position while dropping 30 and 8? lol. Wade really makes those excuses for kobe go out the window when he had as much to carry offensively, but was actually elite defensively doing it. Kobe has at no point in his career ever been as good as Jordan and Wade were while also playing elite defensively through the 82 grind season. He was always average at best during most of his career.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Cringe. 2006 Kobe? Who played zero defense while 2009 Wade was arguably the best defensive player at his position while dropping 30 and 8? lol. Wade really makes those excuses for kobe go out the window when he had as much to carry offensively, but was actually elite defensively doing it.[/QUOTE]

The only one cringing is me @ your goofy ass.

We're talking about skills. Their individual games. And who [I]resembled[/I] Jordan.

Not who matched him statistically or got close with in "PER". Even then, 2008 Kobe was just as good as Wade if you include postseason play.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The only one cringing is me @ your goofy ass.

We're talking about skills. Their individual games. And who [I]resembled[/I] Jordan.

Not who matched him statistically or got close with in "PER". Even then, 2008 Kobe was just as good as Wade if you include postseason play.[/QUOTE]

If you say so. I think I will just excuse myself from this thread. Have a wonderful day.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]The only one cringing is me @ your goofy ass.

We're talking about skills. Their individual games. And who [I]resembled[/I] Jordan.

Not who matched him statistically or got close with in "PER". Even then, 2008 Kobe was just as good as Wade if you include postseason play.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! If you look at size, positional versatility, and overall package of skills, Kobe is FOR SURE more similar to MJ! As u mentioned earlier, Wade from an athletic standpoint was very similar to a young MJ. And D Wade was of course the total package himself in terms of scoring, passing, and defending his postion. But's it's RARE as hell to find two icons from different eras so similar to each other in terms of size and skillset. The Magic-Bron, Wilt-Shaq, etc. comparisons are very good or great ones. But not as close as MJ-Kobe!

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Cringe. 2006 Kobe? Who played zero defense while 2009 Wade was arguably the best defensive player at his position while dropping 30 and 8? lol. Wade really makes those excuses for kobe go out the window when he had as much to carry offensively, but was actually elite defensively doing it. Kobe has at no point in his career ever been as good as Jordan and Wade were while also playing elite defensively through the 82 grind season. He was always average at best during most of his career.[/QUOTE]

Smoke bringin the smoke :applause:

[QUOTE=Smoke117]If you say so. I think I will just excuse myself from this thread. Have a wonderful day.[/QUOTE]

Not trying to be a dick, but you're naive.

I mean seriously.

Kobe never being on 2009 Wade level? He was on "Wade level" that SAME year

[url]https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/rapm[/url]
(#2 overall in postseason RAPM)

And that's with a BETTER team :oldlol:

2008 Kobe was also as great as 2009 Wade if we're including postseason play.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Not trying to be a dick, but you're naive.

I mean seriously.

Kobe never being on 2009 Wade level? He was on "Wade level" that SAME year

[url]https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/rapm[/url]
(#2 overall in postseason RAPM)

And that's with a BETTER team :oldlol:

2008 Kobe was also as great as 2009 Wade if we're including postseason play.[/QUOTE]

PER
ORtg
DRtg
GameScore

Thanks

[QUOTE=bizil]Exactly! If you look at size, positional versatility, and overall package of skills, Kobe is FOR SURE more similar to MJ! As u mentioned earlier, Wade from an athletic standpoint was very similar to a young MJ. And D Wade was of course the total package himself in terms of scoring, passing, and defending his postion. But's it's RARE as hell to find two icons from different eras so similar to each other in terms of size and skillset. The Magic-Bron, Wilt-Shaq, etc. comparisons are very good or great ones. But not as close as MJ-Kobe![/QUOTE]

I mean, its obvious if you actually watched them play.

Mfers on here just want to argue :oldlol:

"Yeah Kobe was more skilled."
"[I]Nah f*ck that. So and so were more skilled![/I]"
"How? Why?"
"Man I know why. Who gives a shit about that!?! Lets talk stats!"

:oldlol:

Its alright to give Kobe credit, people. I promise you'll be OK.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I mean, its obvious if you actually watched them play.

Mfers on here just want to argue :oldlol:

"Yeah Kobe was more skilled."
"[I]Nah f*ck that. So and so were more skilled![/I]"
"How? Why?"
"Man I know why. Who gives a shit about that!?! Lets talk stats!"

:oldlol:

Its alright to give Kobe credit people. I promise you'll be OK.[/QUOTE]

Seasons shooting above .469

Kobe = 0/20
MJ = 10/15

zero :eek: Bye

This just proves that 3ball really is a undercover Kobetard disguised as a Jordantard.... instead of spitting at Kobe here and having an essay on why Jordan is better than Kobe he instead didnt mind it at all and started talking about... how Lebron sux...

[QUOTE=FKAri]I would trust an NBA player over a random person. But my point is your comparison is whack. The knowledge gap in their field between a top 400 doctor in the world and the average person is a lot more vast than that between a top 400 basketball player and that same average person.[/QUOTE]
This is incorrect. You ask a random person who Giannis is, chances are they wouldn't know. Heck, you ask an average person how tall the hoop is, or something as basic as how many NBA teams there are, most of the population doesn't know these things.

thank you Dwight, making dumb ballers opinions irrelevant

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]thank you Dwight, making dumb ballers opinions irrelevant[/QUOTE]

Precisely :lol

Dwight grew up on 2nd 3-Peat MJ and 08-10 Kobe is just as good, if not better.

Playoffs

08-10 Kobe: 30/6/6 56.9%TS
96-98 MJ: 31/6/4 54.3%TS

Kobe had more mileage and had bad knees and a broken index finger on his shooting hand.

[QUOTE=pauk]This just proves that 3ball really is a undercover Kobetard disguised as a Jordantard.... instead of spitting at Kobe here and having an essay on why Jordan is better than Kobe he instead didnt mind it at all and started talking about... how Lebron sux...[/QUOTE]
Kobe was all-world and is underrated nowadays

He reached MJ's level at times

It was revealing to see 08' Kobe get 1 star teammate and INSTANTLY be the championship favorite and win rings - that's MJ style - that's goat style

Only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe), and Hakeem (when MJ was out of the league)

The MJ/Kobe format and skillset produces the best teams with the least help because their scoring versatility fits with any player type and into any system.. we saw Kobe go 2/3 with a bosh-level player at 2nd option, while lebron went 2/4 with Bosh at THIRD option - so lebron's limited scoring versatility doesn't fit with everything and needs more help

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Dwight grew up on 2nd 3-Peat MJ and 08-10 Kobe is just as good, if not better.

Playoffs

08-10 Kobe: 30/6/6 56.9%TS
96-98 MJ: 31/6/4 54.3%TS

Kobe had more mileage and had bad knees and a broken index finger on his shooting hand.[/QUOTE]

Only a Kobe stain would try to argue a 32-34 year old was physically better off than a 29-31 year old. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ball]Kobe was all-world and is underrated nowadays

He reached MJ's level at times

It was revealing to see 08' Kobe get 1 star teammate and INSTANTLY be the championship favorite and win rings - that's MJ style - that's goat style

Only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe), and Hakeem (when MJ was out of the league)

The MJ/Kobe format and skillset produces the best teams with the least help because their scoring versatility fits with any player type and into any system.. we saw Kobe go 2/3 with a bosh-level player at 2nd option, while lebron went 2/4 with Bosh at THIRD option - so lebron's limited scoring versatility doesn't fit with everything and needs more help[/QUOTE]

Jordan lost with an all star in 1990 and 1995 and LeBron won with no all-star (against 3 all star opponent) in 2016.

Try harder

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Only a Kobe stain would try to argue a 32-34 year old was physically better off than a 29-31 year old. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Both had bad knees and messed up hands, Kobe had more NBA games played while MJ took time off from basketball for almost two years. MJ was also more physically gifted than Kobe, so I don't want to hear this excuse.


My point is that Dwight grew up on the 2nd 3-Peat Jordan while he came into the league and played against a prime Kobe... Prime Kobe was better than 96-98 Jordan and the stats back it up.

[QUOTE=3ball]True - lebron clearly doesn't understand ball movement or how to achieve it to compete better on the championship level..

his teams get massively out-assisted and out-branded in the Finals while he dominates the ball more than anyone ever has (20-30% more than 19' Harden based on the time of possession stats)

So he isn't a basketball genius or have an elite understanding of the game.... Yet i'd take his opinion over a random person's[/QUOTE]


SHIT .. I TAKE JERRY WEST'S OPINION.. THE BEST TALENT EVALUATOR THE NBA HAS SEEN..


HE SAYS LEBRON RIGHT THERE WITH MJ.:lol

[QUOTE=ImKobe] Prime Kobe was better than 96-98 Jordan and the stats back it up.[/QUOTE]


STATS back up that Lebron is WAY BETTER THAN KOBE.. SO YOU AGREE...


YOU GOT BUSTED :roll: :banana: :cheers:

[QUOTE=3ball]Kobe was all-world and is underrated nowadays

He reached MJ's level at times

It was revealing to see 08' Kobe get 1 star teammate and INSTANTLY be the championship favorite and win rings - that's MJ style - that's goat style

Only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe), and Hakeem (when MJ was out of the league)

The MJ/Kobe format and skillset produces the best teams with the least help because their scoring versatility fits with any player type and into any system.. we saw Kobe go 2/3 with a bosh-level player at 2nd option, while lebron went 2/4 with Bosh at THIRD option - so lebron's limited scoring versatility doesn't fit with everything and needs more help[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

YET THERE TEAMS COULD WIN 50 GAMES WITHOUT THEM

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]STATS back up that Lebron is WAY BETTER THAN KOBE.. SO YOU AGREE...


YOU GOT BUSTED :roll: :banana: :cheers:[/QUOTE]

We're talking winning numbers here, boy.

Lebron averaged more than 26 ppg in ONE whole title run & has never put up 30+ ppg or 60+%TS in a Finals series that he won. We don't do empty stats in historic sweeps here.

Kobe was putting up 29 ppg on a title team in the handcheck era at age 22, Jordan himself treats Kobe as an equal and puts him over Le 3/9.

[QUOTE=ImKobe]We're talking winning numbers here, boy.

Lebron averaged more than 26 ppg in ONE whole title run & has never put up 30+ ppg or 60+%TS in a Finals series that he won. We don't do empty stats in historic sweeps here.

Kobe was putting up 29 ppg on a title team in the handcheck era at age 22, Jordan himself treats Kobe as an equal and puts him over Le 3/9.[/QUOTE]

PRIME KOBE WASNT EVEN GETTING OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND.. LOL


JERRY WEST , PAUL PIERCE, BARON DAVIS, KERR, VAN GUNDY, DR J, OSCAR ROBERTSON, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS HAVE LEBRON TOP 3 AND HAVE BEEN QUOTED ON TV SAYING BRON BETTER THAN KOBE.. I could add plenty more but y beat on kobe the dead horse..

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]PRIME KOBE WASNT EVEN GETTING OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND.. LOL


JERRY WEST , PAUL PIERCE, BARON DAVIS, KERR, VAN GUNDY, DR J, OSCAR ROBERTSON, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS HAVE LEBRON TOP 3 AND HAVE BEEN QUOTED ON TV SAYING BRON BETTER THAN KOBE.. I could add plenty more but y beat on kobe the dead horse..[/QUOTE]

Michael Jordan puts Kobe over Lebron.
09 Lebron (peak Lebron) put Kobe ahead of himself
Magic & Shaq have Kobe as the GOAT Laker
Wade & Dirk have Kobe as the best player of their era (which includes Lebron).

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Jordan lost with an all star in 1990 and 1995 and LeBron won with no all-star (against 3 all star opponent) in 2016.

Try harder[/QUOTE]
This is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. The all Star you speak of gave up due to to a migraine headache. Can you imagine how ridiculed he'd be in this media era.

And lol at 1995. Mj just came back from a 2 year baseball stint and was obviously rusty. He swept them the previous year after getting his legs and game back.

And what about LeBron? Mj has never lost to a worse team when he had an all star. LeBron lost to many. In Miami LeBron had 2 other all stars and twice lost to teams that only had one and I don't even think they were first team.

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Michael Jordan puts Kobe over Lebron.
09 Lebron (peak Lebron) put Kobe ahead of himself
Magic & Shaq have Kobe as the GOAT Laker
Wade & Dirk have Kobe as the best player of their era (which includes Lebron).[/QUOTE]

mj the worst talent evaluator in the NBA:oldlol:
Who cares who the Greatest Laker is.. Kobe played more seasons than Magic or Kareem so that is y he says that..


Wade said Lebron is number two behind MJ after Lebron beat GSW 2016

[url]https://cavaliersnation.com/2018/03/29/dwyane-wade-says-lebron-is-one-or-two-greatest-of-all-time/[/url]


WHY DOES LEBRON OWN A 16-6 RECORD OVER KOBE? LOL

[QUOTE=bizil]Secondly, does your BITCH ASS know what fundamentals-technical skills are???? Ole HOE ASS![/QUOTE]

LMAO :roll:

Sheesh

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]PRIME KOBE WASNT EVEN GETTING OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND.. LOL


JERRY WEST , PAUL PIERCE, BARON DAVIS, KERR, VAN GUNDY, DR J, OSCAR ROBERTSON, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS HAVE LEBRON TOP 3 AND HAVE BEEN QUOTED ON TV SAYING BRON BETTER THAN KOBE.. I could add plenty more but y beat on kobe the dead horse..[/QUOTE]

:eek: :rockon:

When asked about LeBron vs Kobe, MJ ended the debate when he said there's something about 5 that beats 3.

/thread

Another day
Another win

:banana: :banana: :banana:

On a roll today boys! :banana:

[QUOTE=egokiller]When asked about LeBron vs Kobe, MJ ended the debate when he said there's something about 5 that beats 3.

/thread

Another day
Another win

:banana: :banana: :banana:

On a roll today boys! :banana:[/QUOTE]

Does..11..beat...6?

:eek: ?! :eek:

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Does..11..beat...6?

:eek: ?! :eek:[/QUOTE]

Does 3/9 beat 1/9? At least you have something to be proud of I guess....

:sleeping

[QUOTE=egokiller]When asked about LeBron vs Kobe, MJ ended the debate when he said there's something about 5 that beats 3.

/thread

Another day
Another win

:banana: :banana: :banana:

On a roll today boys! :banana:[/QUOTE]


IF WE USE THAT LOGIC THAN HAVLICEK IS BETTER THAN MJ :facepalm

[QUOTE=superduper]Its so funny watching Kobe haters meltdown when the players who are on the court day in and day out with and against all of these players in the league expose the true context and reality of the sport from a pure first person perspective... from many first person perspectives, not just a few.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I mean....at this point they HAVE TO disregard every evaluation of an actual basketball player. It's better to stick with the opinions of Nick Wright and etc.

Another win for TheFam