Who won the most with the least help?

[QUOTE=Manny98]Your not taking into account pace so your wrong[/quote]

Pace doesn't change the fact Jordan won with less scoring help. If you can show otherwise, go ahead

[quote]And i'm talking about 2nd-4th options mainly not the players on the end of the bench

MJ never had a 2nd & 3rd option as bad as Wade and Bosh in 2013 that's facts[/QUOTE]

You said help, period. Now you're moving the goalposts

Even still, *Pace Adjusted Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Bosh averaged 12. That's 32ppg between them. In 96, Pippen averaged 17ppg and Kukoc 14ppg. That's 31ppg between them. In 97, Pippen 22ppg Kukoc 9ppg. That's again, 31 ppg between them. Pace adjusted

You still fail

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]spurs ortg in 13 finals: 109.3 for context RS: 108.3
sonics ortg in 96 finals: 106.7 for context RS: 110.3
jazz ortg in 97 finals: 103.8 for context RS: 113.6
jazz ortg in 98 finals: 96.1 for context RS: 112.7

Clown lebron for his defense all you want, I dont think you should for his defense in 2013 however[/QUOTE]

Was talking about his offense. Where'd I clown his defense?

Isiah in 1989 and 1990
one star teammate

Hakeem in 1994
no star teammate

Jordan 1991 - 1998
one star teammate and 6x rings

Kobe in 2009 and 2010
one star teammate

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Isiah in 1989 and 1990
one star teammate

Hakeem in 1994
no star teammate

Jordan 1991 - 1998
one star teammate and 6x rings

Kobe in 2009 and 2010
one star teammate[/QUOTE]

how many star teammates did his opponents have, on what team was the 3rd best player

[QUOTE=LostCause]Pace doesn't change the fact Jordan won with less scoring help. If you can show otherwise, go ahead



You said help, period. Now you're moving the goalposts

Even still, *Pace Adjusted Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Bosh averaged 12. That's 32ppg between them. In 96, Pippen averaged 17ppg and Kukoc 14ppg. That's 31ppg between them. In 97, Pippen 22ppg Kukoc 9ppg. That's again, 31 ppg between them. Pace adjusted

You still fail



Was talking about his offense. Where'd I clown his defense?[/QUOTE]

Well help included defensive help. The only potential counter argument is to say bron has poor defensive impact compared to Jordan but I don’t think many people feel that way for 2013

Edit: I should’ve seen op said scoring help lol

Pete Myers :eek:

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]how many star teammates did his opponents have, on what team was the 3rd best player[/QUOTE]
It was usually about equal.

This was in the 80s and 90s and 00s when competition was balanced.

Before superstars were cowards and needed to collude with multiple other perennial all stars to take the easy way out in order to finally win. So no cowardice Le3/9 or Katie Durant moves.

Jordan in 1993 with one star beat a team with 3x all stars
Kobe in 2010 with one star beat a team with 4x all star

Just off the top of the dome

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]It was usually about equal.

This was in the 80s and 90s and 00s when competition was balanced.

Before superstars were cowards and needed to collude with multiple other perennial all stars to take the easy way out in order to finally win. So no cowardice Le3/9 or Katie Durant moves.

Jordan in 1993 with one star beat a team with 3x all stars
Kobe in 2010 with one star beat a team with 4x all star

Just off the top of the dome[/QUOTE]

LeBron with 0 allstars beat a team with 4 all stars in 2015

LeBron with 0 allstars beat a team with 3 all stars in 2016

:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]LeBron with 0 allstars beat a team with 3 all stars in 2016
[/QUOTE]

Adam Silver and the Refs were the real MVPs of those finals.