[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14387894]Still Kobe for sure according to most.[/QUOTE]
Can you please ban this douchebag??
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[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14387894]Still Kobe for sure according to most.[/QUOTE]
Can you please ban this douchebag??
Poll indicates how close it is.
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14387906]Poll indicates how close it is.[/QUOTE]
You are a retarded Kobetard.
Duncan with the 48TS% in the 2007 Finals.
Locked up by Big mediocre Z.
Kobe owns lebron. Everyone knows that.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14387907]You are a retarded Kobetard.[/QUOTE]
Why the name calling? I didn't call you any names.
lebron is the more dominant player Ala shaq/wilt type physical advantages giving him most of his worth
but kobe is the better player. more polished. more skilled. more talented on both ends and is more respected by his piers because of it
only kobe has rings you can't knock (at least 2 out of his 5), and 2 out of the 3 that have asterisks are at least great performances in real seasons without some fake collusion from a sh*t era. and the 1 hes a definite #2 he saved shaqs butt twice.
so kobe has the more impressive career. but lebron has the more impressive individual accomplishments that are mostly due to him using hgh and steroids to extend his career long enough to pass kobe in most categories. truthfully his career ended in 2015. the Miami clinic and his 2 million dollar yearly expenses on maintaining his hulk like frame is why he passed kobe in points, all nba 1st teams and finals mvps
so kobe is considered better still. to everyone not named Jeff, Steve, 1987_lakers, a few realgm posters,, Henry Abbott from espn. nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe. Isiah and Dr J... other than these people I think its a landslide in favor of kobe among the hundreds of other big name people in and around the league. and fans worldwide definitely pick kobe over lebron
hes just lucky to have minions controlling media outlets and message boards. it's the only thing protecting him from being exposed as a cheater like Barry bonds and banished for life
[QUOTE=Orange_Cassidy;14387938]lebron is the more dominant player Ala shaq/wilt type physical advantages giving him most of his worth
but kobe is the better player. more polished. more skilled. more talented on both ends and is more respected by his piers because of it
only kobe has rings you can't knock (at least 2 out of his 5), and 2 out of the 3 that have asterisks are at least great performances in real seasons without some fake collusion from a sh*t era. and the 1 hes a definite #2 he saved shaqs butt twice.
so kobe has the more impressive career. but lebron has the more impressive individual accomplishments that are mostly due to him using hgh and steroids to extend his career long enough to pass kobe in most categories. truthfully his career ended in 2015. the Miami clinic and his 2 million dollar yearly expenses on maintaining his hulk like frame is why he passed kobe in points, all nba 1st teams and finals mvps
so kobe is considered better still. to everyone not named Jeff, Steve, 1987_lakers, a few realgm posters,, Henry Abbott from espn. nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe. Isiah and Dr J... other than these people I think its a landslide in favor of kobe among the hundreds of other big name people in and around the league. and fans worldwide definitely pick kobe over lebron
hes just lucky to have minions controlling media outlets and message boards. it's the only thing protecting him from being exposed as a cheater like Barry bonds and banished for life[/QUOTE]
There are more than a few posters who have Bron > Kobe. Not just Jeff and that Lakers fan.
More players like Big O and Giannis. More media members too like Stephen A and Max Kellerman. I believe Skip also has Lebron over Kobe, as crazy as that sounds.
Disagree with just about everything in your post, but do agree with there being media propaganda.The Bron shills over at RealGm are comedy. If you're overly critical of him, you'll be debated by a few mods who think REAL criticism is trolling. You do it long enough, and there's a good chance you'll be banned. Reminds me of ESPN a few years back. When you couldn't say NOTHING about Bron. :lol He was untouchable over there up until recently. His move to LA kind of lulled even his most ardent supporters ... for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy;14387939]There are more than a few posters who have Bron > Kobe. Not just Jeff and that Lakers fan.
More players like Big O and Giannis. More media members too like Stephen A and Max Kellerman. I believe Skip also has Lebron over Kobe, as crazy as that sounds.
Disagree with just about everything in your post, but do agree with there being media propaganda.The Bron shills over at RealGm are comedy. If you're overly critical of him, you'll be debated by a few mods who think REAL criticism is trolling. You do it long enough, and there's a good chance you'll be banned. Reminds me of ESPN a few years back, when you couldn't say NOTHING about Bron. :lol He was untouchable over there up until recently. His move to LA kind of lulled even his most ardent supporters.[/QUOTE]
You realize that’s Kenneth right? He knows LeBron is better. Throwing tantrums about it helps him sleep at night I guess.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14387940]You realize that’s Kenneth right? He knows LeBron is better. Throwing tantrums about it helps him sleep at night I guess.[/QUOTE]
Yea I gathered that, hah
Ken's been saying the same crap for years tho. At this point, I don't even think its trolling.
Why is Kobe polling ahead of LeBron and here of all places? Thought Lebron was the clear cut better player...
[QUOTE=Atlantis;14387944]Why is Kobe polling ahead of LeBron and here of all places? Thought Lebron was the clear cut better player...[/QUOTE]
What do you mean “here of all places”? LeBron lost a poll to Dirk on this board lmao.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14387945]What do you mean “here of all places”? LeBron lost a poll to Dirk on this board lmao.[/QUOTE]
now imagine if Jeff and Steve didn't have dozens of alts each
then you would pick up and retire from posting about a guy literally nobody respects aside from a few psychotic people that somehow managed to go in full denial and never accept how embarrassing lebron has become..
like how much cringe can a person take. I hated kobes fake black guy phase. then his zen master white washed know it all c.e.o artist phase was even worse. but neither one even comes close to lebrons race baiting uneducated self promotion and childish antics. his taco Tuesday and midlife crises forever young old man with man weave hairlines, lady suits and purses. social media addiction and insecurities. its all too much. and I don't even rip him for any of this stuff like I do his on the court decisions. it shames me when kobe lost a finals. but with lebron fans they're celebrated. kobe outperformed pierce in 2008. who f*ckin gives a shit. the Lakers lost. I wanna forget about that series. how any of you people can look up a box score and feel good about that sh*t is just f*cking embarrassing. it's like you sold your souls to boost lebron. especially if you're white, conservative or a real fan of a team that lebron went to and you abandoned because he left. if kobe went to the cavs and said he wants to follow in lebrons footsteps and carry on his great legacy and imitate his dunks etc... I would absolutely vomit blood and deny ever being a kobe fan
Hard to compare LeBron is more like pippen kobe is more like Jordan. Obviously LeBron has better stats but he clearly plays for stats kobe didn't. 5-2 > 4-6
[QUOTE=Rysio;14387951]Hard to compare LeBron is more like pippen kobe is more like Jordan. Obviously LeBron has better stats but he clearly plays for stats kobe didn't. 5-2 > 4-6[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=SATAN;14387956]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
don't really understand why you're face palming that dude.
1. lebrons a beta male like pippen
2. lebrons definitely more of a set up guy if he can't drive ...like pippen
3. lebron needs guys to bail him out in the clutch.... like pippen
4. lebron is an insecure race baiting clown.... like pippen
he just dominates the ball more than pippen did and eventually ends up with more points than his batman cause he goes into stat pad mode when it's garbage time and racks up 10 quick ones on mostly easy layups
the only thing lebron doesn't measure up to pippen at is p*nis size and on ball defense
as for the lebron gunning for stats and kobe caring more about wins its more than obvious since kobe really only went off the 2 years he had kwame and smush in the starting lineup. every other year he dialed it back. he even gifted Durant a scoring title one year. lebrons never dialed it back. if anything the more help he gets the more he feels the need to lead both teams in every category just so you know who's the top guy on his team. so insecure... how many times have we seen him check the stat sheet during a game. how many times has lebron been in the game late padding while kobe would be going out early and icing his knees.
and his math is correct on the finals records as well
[QUOTE=Rysio;14387951]Hard to compare LeBron is more like pippen kobe is more like Jordan. Obviously LeBron has better stats but he clearly plays for stats kobe didn't. 5-2 > 4-6[/QUOTE]
This.
There is just nothing Kobe does that LeBron doesn't do better.
4x the amount MVPs
Double the finals MVP
More all time points, rebounds, assists, playoff points.
More longevity.
Everything Kobe has a claim on LEBRON has already surpassed him.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14387945]What do you mean “here of all places”? LeBron lost a poll to Dirk on this board lmao.[/QUOTE]
Well we all saw an old Dirk whoop peak Lebron on live television so its not that far fetched.
[QUOTE=tpols;14387988]Well we all saw an old Dirk whoop peak Lebron on live television so its not that far fetched.[/QUOTE]
We saw Dirk sweep peak Kobe on live television in 2011.
We saw Nash dumpster Kobe after being down 1-3 and Kobe quit game 7.
We saw Kobe get carried by Shaq 3 years in a row.
We saw Kobe waste many years of Shaq's prime.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14387994]We saw Dirk sweep peak Kobe on live television in 2011.
We saw Nash dumpster Kobe after being down 1-3 and Kobe quit game 7.
We saw Kobe get carried by Shaq 3 years in a row.
We saw Kobe waste many years of Shaq's prime.[/QUOTE]
You just told a bunch of lies. 2011 was peak Kobe? Good one kid.
Dirk with Jason Terry was able to beat peak Lebron with prime Wade. If we saw the ass kicking why do you think people would not think Dirk was better? He simply played with less help and didn't team hop to the Spurs, Lakers, and Heat.
2010 Kobe won the championship.
2011 Kobe got swept by Jason Terry. Didn't even win 1 game.
LeBron did better vs Dirk than Kobe ever did.
Kobe had peak Shaq for 8 years. The only person "gifted" more stacked teams was Magic Johnson.
Deal with it kid.
Kobe averaged 23/3/2 vs Jason Terry 20/4/2
Kobe did worst vs Jason Terry since he got swept.
Kobe tards should never bring up 2011. Kobe was 32 and got swept.
In 2011 Kobe was 1st team all-nba and 1st team all-defensive.
2011 was Peak Kobe.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14388008]Kobe averaged 23/3/2 vs Jason Terry 20/4/2
Kobe did worst vs Jason Terry since he got swept.
Kobe tards should never bring up 2011.[/QUOTE]
Kobe scored 5.5 more pts a game in ~7 less mpg than peak Lebron, who was outscored by Jason Terry.
Yikes.
Kobe had 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game. Basically doing nothing on the court if he didn't have the ball, which is basically Kobe's career. Letting Shaq and Gasol do the big man work, let someone else distribute the ball, and just shoot.
LeBron had 7 rebounds and 7 assists.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14388016]Kobe had 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game. Basically doing nothing on the court if he didn't have the ball, which is basically Kobe's career. Letting Shaq and Gasol do the big man work, let someone else distribute the ball, and just shoot.
LeBron had 7 rebounds and 7 assists.[/QUOTE]
Lebron couldn't do anything WITH the ball in his hands :kobe:
Bran had a 13.7 GmSc to Kobe's 13.6, so their performance was essentially the same, though Kobe played much less minutes due to playing on one leg so he had less possessions to pad his stats. He certainly didn't have a pathetic 8 pt performance like Lebron and he didn't go scoreless in 4th quarters.
Kobe got swept in 2011.
Anything else we need to discuss about in 2011 when it comes to Bron vs Kobe? Thought so.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14388015]Kobe scored 5.5 more pts a game in ~7 less mpg than peak Lebron, who was outscored by Jason Terry.
Yikes.[/QUOTE]
This
Also Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight while Kobe beat Dwight with HCA.
Why there is no 3rd option for tie?
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14388082]Also Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight while Kobe beat Dwight with HCA.[/QUOTE]
Also Kobe lost to 2012 OKC while LeBron beat 2012 3 MVP OKC.
Back in HS I had Lebron> Kobe when it was 1 v 5. Literally all they had against me was the ring argument not stats, MVPs :lol Now that you include Stats, MVPs, FMVPs and rings it’s literally not a contest anymore :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;13810840]How? Duncan wasn't "the man" in 07 or 14. He has three as the man just like lebron[/QUOTE]
Who do you feel was the man in 2007?
You can tell someone's age or low IQ when they say Duncan wasn't the man in '07
Litmus test. I guess it was almost 15 years ago. Still, it's an incredibly false narrative to put out there.
[QUOTE=Rysio;14387951]Hard to compare LeBron is more like pippen kobe is more like Jordan. Obviously LeBron has better stats but he clearly plays for stats kobe didn't. 5-2 > 4-6[/QUOTE]
4-6 >>>>> 2-1
Kobe is the goat pure scorer with a live dribble.
Kobe has all-time jumpshooting skill
Kobe has two "carry-job" rings where he averaged 10+ more than his sidekick in playoffs and Finals, while also leading the team in assists
Kobe's didn't have to team-hop like KD or Lebron and therefore learned to WIN (organic), which requires the superior skills of fitting with teammates (on-ball/off-ball), learning championship strategy/brand of ball, and perseverance (lebron bailed a year early and ceded the 1-star organic ring that he thought was impossible to Dirk)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14388138]Kobe is the goat pure scorer with a live dribble.
Kobe has all-time jumpshooting skill
Kobe has two "carry-job" rings where he averaged 10+ more than his sidekick in playoffs and Finals, while also leading the team in assists
Kobe's didn't have to team-hop like KD or Lebron and therefore learned to WIN (organic), which requires the superior skills of fitting with teammates (on-ball/off-ball), learning championship strategy/brand of ball, and perseverance (lebron bailed a year early and ceded the 1-star organic ring that he thought was impossible to Dirk)[/QUOTE]
Team hopping requires more skill since you need to fit in with new teammates and management. Need a better understanding of human psychology and how to lead different kinds of people. LeGM'ing also requires a knowledge of how to build teams, acquire talent and lead an organization. Sitting on your ass and hoping daddy(management) helps you out is for sackless cucks who take no initiative and don't want to work so they can focus on playing a child's ball game.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14388138]Kobe is the goat pure scorer with a live dribble.
Kobe has all-time jumpshooting skill
Kobe has two "carry-job" rings where he averaged 10+ more than his sidekick in playoffs and Finals, while also leading the team in assists
Kobe's didn't have to team-hop like KD or Lebron and therefore learned to WIN (organic), which requires the superior skills of fitting with teammates (on-ball/off-ball), learning championship strategy/brand of ball, and perseverance (lebron bailed a year early and ceded the 1-star organic ring that he thought was impossible to Dirk)[/QUOTE]
Kobe was first to practice and last to leave. Teammates have testified he worked worked worked with everybody to mentor and make the most out of them. True leader.
Kobe repeated with just Bosh (Pau). Imagine if the Lakers had Wade. And STILL lost. :oldlol: That's Miami Lebron.
[QUOTE=FKAri;14388141]Team hopping requires more skill since you need to fit in with new teammates and management. Need a better understanding of human psychology and how to lead different kinds of people. LeGM'ing also requires a knowledge of how to build teams, acquire talent and lead an organization. Sitting on your ass and hoping daddy(management) helps you out is for sackless cucks who take no initiative and don't want to work so they can focus on playing a child's ball game.[/QUOTE]
Team-hopping doesn't have time to develop championship strategy/brand, so they achieve favorite status in Year 1 via talent accumulation, namely a star scorer at 3rd option that organic teams don't have..
The talent deficit (no 3rd star) forces organic teams to achieve favorite status after many years by developing strategy/brand, which requires superior skill (fitting with teammates and learning/implementing the superior strategy).
Btw, organic teams refers to weak teams that developed into champions, not teams that were good right away like Bird's Celtics or Magic's collusion with Kareem.