Kobe

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]No arguments for Kobe or what?

What year do most Lebron fans think his prime started anyway? I see arguments made about 2006. Think he averaged 30/5/5 that year.[/QUOTE]
I don’t see a rational argument for Kobe in 09. LeBron’s stats are overwhelming that year and he led a pretty weak cast to 66 wins.

Idk when his prime started. Maybe 06? His peak started in 09 and lasted through 13.

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Lebron at age 22 averaged 25/8/8 on 41.6%FG in the Playoffs with 22/7/7 5.8 TOV on 36/20/69 splits in the Finals against the Spurs in a 0-4 loss.

Kobe at age 22 put up 29/7/6 on 47%FG in the Playoffs with 33/7/7 51%FG in a 4-0 win against the Spurs.

Kobe also did his damage in the hand-check era while Lebron played under softer rules.

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These facts are definitive... Kobe destroys lebron against the same comp, same age

Kobe was clearly better

[QUOTE=RRR3]I don’t see a rational argument for Kobe in 09. LeBron’s stats are overwhelming that year and he led a pretty weak cast to 66 wins.

Idk when his prime started. Maybe 06? His peak started in 09 and lasted through 13.[/QUOTE]
Here's the rational argument:

Kobe won his first ring as "the man" that year while lebron wouldn't do that for 4 more seasons, during which he lost 3 straight times as the heavy favorite in the 09-11' playoffs

So despite lebron's stats in 2009 and his regular season run, he didn't know how to beat teams he was supposed to beat in the playoffs - 3 straight years he lost as the favorite - he simply didn't know how to win; whereas Kobe did.. that's the argument

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Kobe - 95.6 pace, 57 wins
MJ - 99.4 pace, 38 wins

Also, MJ was 21/22 years old, Kobe at same age averaged 29.4/7.3/6.1 for a 15 - 1 championship run.[/QUOTE]

Mmm.

Yummy.

Nighty night, Simon.

[QUOTE=ImKobe]BPM (especially defensive) is not a very accurate stat as its own creators admitted, I wouldn't read too much into that stat. Also, a player shooting well on a bad team would get a higher OBPM than a player shooting the same on a team that had a better average TS%. There are other issues with that statistic as well. It's one of the least important stats but you're obsessed about it beause it supports your argument, but I doubt you know anything about how it's actually calculated.

Can you tell me why Steve Nash was only 13th and 9th in OBPM during his MVP seasons while running the 1st and 2nd best offenses in the league?[/QUOTE]

Damn, more dessert.

Mmm.

Tasty.

Nighty night, Simon.

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Its why they are always linked when it comes to style. Its not a praise for Kobe its a knock on MJ. Imagine if LeBron's style was compared to a 12be like Kobe :lol

Lebron's getting Magic + MJ hybrid comparisons
MJ is getting Kobe and Demar Derozan comparisons

:lol[/QUOTE]
wait, wut? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Lebron at age 22 averaged 25/8/8 on 41.6%FG in the Playoffs with 22/7/7 5.8 TOV on 36/20/69 splits in the Finals against the Spurs in a 0-4 loss. Kobe at age 22 put up 29/7/6 on 47%FG in the Playoffs with 33/7/7 51%FG in a 4-0 win against the Spurs. Kobe also did his damage in the hand-check era while Lebron played under softer rules.[/QUOTE]

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